I pray you never go down, and your head hit the pavement, you'll wish you had one on for that last instant of your life.
Man dies no helmet
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Howabusa
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I don't understand why the gov' says you can't drive your car without wearing a seatbelt but, you can ride a bike without a helmet. Isn't that a double standard? I live in a state that gives you the right to choose. I choose to Wear All The Gear All The Time. If it is too hot to ride in gear, it is too hot to ride. My 2 cents.
captainraymond
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I wear my helmet, jacket and gloves because I dont want to deal with being hurt if it could be avoided. Yeah, I know, I'm not a very tough guy, but being hurt or possibly dead sux - it totally ruins an otherwise great day. Even though it doesnt make sense to me, I wouldnt call somebody stupid or ignorant for choosing not to gear up. And they definately dont deserve to die because of it. There should not be any laws forcing the issue either, imo. People know the consequnces of not wearing a helmet. Regardless of their reasons, and they got a million, I think it just boils down to being hard headed. Unfortunately nobodys head is harder than asphault, concrete, aluminum, steel, brick, and other materials one may encounter on our public roadways. Be safe fellas. If not for you, then do it for your wife, children, mother, or any other poor soul that will have to watch you suffer and spoon feed you and wipe your ass and suction the drool from your gaping mouth and all the other endless chores which comes with 24 hr in home care. Your decision can effectivly enslave a loved one, cause you dont always just die - life aint that simple. As for the above mentioned rider, rest in peace brother.
If your involved in a crash and die on the scene, then the untreated death is different than suffering massive head injuries and in ICU for weeks BEFORE succumbing to the injuries. Florida laws states you must have insurance covering motorcycle injuries in order to ride helmetless. If you have no insurance, you &/or your family are responsible. Can't pay? Taxpayer suffers. It does affect everyone if you chose to ride without a helmet AND do not have insurance coverage. I ride without a helmet depending on the circumstance but I have plenty of insurance coverage and realize the consequences of doing so. Freedom of choice, gotta love it. Responsibility, gotta love that too!
Well I was riding the other day through downtown Jacksonville. I was stopped at a redlight , waiting on go.....All of a sudden a felt a breeze on my left shoulder and hear a crash...This lady apparently whipped around me and blasted a little ford escort RIGHT BESIDE ME.. I was so thankful that she didn't hit me, but I was glad I had my gear on too...because if she had hit me I sure it would have been a mess!!! I could visualize my skull being smashed on her bumper after she catapulted my bike into the car in front of me!!
Stupid? Ignorant? A relatively small treatise for whatever it's worth....
Stupidity is the quality or condition of being stupid, or lacking intelligence, as opposed to being merely ignorant or uneducated. This quality can be attributed to both an individual (e.g. so and so is stupid) or a person's actions, words or beliefs (e.g., so and so's policies are stupid). The term can thus also refer to poor use of judgement, or insensitivity to nuances in a person who is otherwise intelligent. The determination of who is stupid is relatively difficult, despite attempts to measure intelligence (and thus stupidity) such as IQ tests. The adjective is also used as a general pejorative (e.g. I didn't borrow your stupid cap - go look for it yourself).
Manifested by the educated
Recently a great deal of attention has been paid to another class of stupidity: stupid actions by those that are very educated and worldly. It is an important subject as it is increasingly evident that powerful, and generally very intelligent, people sometimes do stupid things. In recent years a number of notions such as groupthink have been developed to explain this. This is a fairly new topic for researchers and there are still few academic works on the subject, though in the 19th Century Oscar Wilde wrote There is no sin except stupidity. [1]
Otherwise intelligent individuals may also become stupid when their rational thought is derailed by strong opinions or rigid beliefs. In this case the victim falls into confirmation bias and begins selecting data: becoming intentionally blind and deaf to contrary evidence, while at the same time collecting evidence which supports the beliefs. Rather than being based on low intelligence or missing knowledge, this is the stupidity of closed-mindedness and willful ignorance. Note that modern science specifically evolved to combat this form of stupidity. During scientific thought we should constantly criticise our own beliefs and assumptions (attempt to disprove hypotheses), while also using humility and extreme self-honesty to reduce our ego-based biases.
The Encyclopedia of Stupidity by Matthijs van Boxsel is based on the author's contention that "stupidity is in fact the foundation of our civilization" and his idea that no one is intelligent enough to realise how stupid they are. This is not as stupid as it sounds if one includes in the definition of stupidity "unwitting self-destruction, the ability to act against one's best wishes". A saying attributed to Albert Einstein is "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Stupidity may be more accurately viewed not the opposite of intelligence but as a kind of flawed or absence of intelligence, the darkness that makes the light of true intelligence visible. Contrasted with ignorance, which is the lack of knowledge, not the lack of intelligence.
A popular aphorism goes, " The stupider something seems, the more important it probably is. "
Individual vs collective stupidity:
In psychology, this is known as deindividuation in crowds, and can lead to behaviours usually not displayed outside the specific social situation. The behaviours occur because individuals will conform to perceived social norms in order to 'fit in' or project an impression of self as "normal".
Stupidity is the quality or condition of being stupid, or lacking intelligence, as opposed to being merely ignorant or uneducated. This quality can be attributed to both an individual (e.g. so and so is stupid) or a person's actions, words or beliefs (e.g., so and so's policies are stupid). The term can thus also refer to poor use of judgement, or insensitivity to nuances in a person who is otherwise intelligent. The determination of who is stupid is relatively difficult, despite attempts to measure intelligence (and thus stupidity) such as IQ tests. The adjective is also used as a general pejorative (e.g. I didn't borrow your stupid cap - go look for it yourself).
Manifested by the educated
Recently a great deal of attention has been paid to another class of stupidity: stupid actions by those that are very educated and worldly. It is an important subject as it is increasingly evident that powerful, and generally very intelligent, people sometimes do stupid things. In recent years a number of notions such as groupthink have been developed to explain this. This is a fairly new topic for researchers and there are still few academic works on the subject, though in the 19th Century Oscar Wilde wrote There is no sin except stupidity. [1]
Otherwise intelligent individuals may also become stupid when their rational thought is derailed by strong opinions or rigid beliefs. In this case the victim falls into confirmation bias and begins selecting data: becoming intentionally blind and deaf to contrary evidence, while at the same time collecting evidence which supports the beliefs. Rather than being based on low intelligence or missing knowledge, this is the stupidity of closed-mindedness and willful ignorance. Note that modern science specifically evolved to combat this form of stupidity. During scientific thought we should constantly criticise our own beliefs and assumptions (attempt to disprove hypotheses), while also using humility and extreme self-honesty to reduce our ego-based biases.
The Encyclopedia of Stupidity by Matthijs van Boxsel is based on the author's contention that "stupidity is in fact the foundation of our civilization" and his idea that no one is intelligent enough to realise how stupid they are. This is not as stupid as it sounds if one includes in the definition of stupidity "unwitting self-destruction, the ability to act against one's best wishes". A saying attributed to Albert Einstein is "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Stupidity may be more accurately viewed not the opposite of intelligence but as a kind of flawed or absence of intelligence, the darkness that makes the light of true intelligence visible. Contrasted with ignorance, which is the lack of knowledge, not the lack of intelligence.
A popular aphorism goes, " The stupider something seems, the more important it probably is. "
Individual vs collective stupidity:
In psychology, this is known as deindividuation in crowds, and can lead to behaviours usually not displayed outside the specific social situation. The behaviours occur because individuals will conform to perceived social norms in order to 'fit in' or project an impression of self as "normal".
T-MOB
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Hey mzrsq,i live in ohio too and i have too agree with everything you said.I too try to keep quiet about this topic because no matter what u say the safety nazi's will disagree.i'm 36 and have been riding since 1989 and i also choose not to wear a helmet most of the time and i am so happy to live in a state where it's my CHOICE!i dont care what anybody says...helmet/no helmet...gear/no gear...if it's your time to go,it's your time to go...PERIOD!!
I'm not saying you are an idiot, and I appreciate your point of view.
It's not mumbo jumbo either. It's different if I wear a helmet and my insurance covers my injuries. If an uninsured, helmetless rider incurs liabilities that he (or she) cannot cover, society ends up with the bill.
I am asking that if you don't want to wear a helmet, that you insure yourself so that if, God forbid, you go down and end up in a vegetative state, the rest of us do not get stuck with the tab for years of hospitalization.
If you have insurance, more power to you.
Ride free? Cool. With freedom comes responsibility - that's all I'm saying.
I see your point here.............while driving or riding uninsured is illegal in I believe all states, and those that do choose to drive or ride uninsured are a complete other equation. I'm fully insured on everything I own with plenty of life insurance on top.
But again, I understand this point!
I wear my helmet, but I do agree with some of the people that do not ride with one. It should be your choice! Our government is getting to the point that they are telling us what we can and can not do more and more on a daily basis! That is not right!
And as far as the tax payers having to foot the bill, well, we foot the bill for everything else anyway..take drunk drivers for example, we pay for schools, rehab, and everything else they screw up!
The reason I hear from my Dad (Harley rider) is that he can't stand the full face, can't see with it on, so he rides with the half helmet...
Reason from the hubby and close friend Andy (both Harley riders) is simply because they want the right to not wear a lid if that's their choice, so they both skirt the laws further by wearing illegal skid lids...
I don't like any excuse, but I've also come to terms with the fact that I can't make those around me want to be safer while riding...I just hope if they ever go down, they'll be okay...I've even told Mike that I sure hope if he does ever crash, illegal skid lid on, no other gear, that his kids won't have to watch him in a vegetative state for the rest of their lives
I DO really enforce the benefits of riding with gear to my sons. I make 'em gear up fully to ride the dirt bikes while Mike sends 'em out in shorts and flip flops (I wish I were kidding)...when I get home and find 'em dressed like that, they park the bikes and go get geared up and Mom again fusses at everyone that should know better
RIP to that rider from OK...sad way to go
We have a right of choice in Texas. My choice is all gear all the time.
It is not up for discussion in our house. Helmets saved mine & my Wife's life in separate incidents we were involved in.
For those that choose not to wear a helmet -
PLEASE MAKE ME YOUR BENEFICIARY SO I CAN RETIRE
It is a game of adds - they eventually will change.
It is not up for discussion in our house. Helmets saved mine & my Wife's life in separate incidents we were involved in.
For those that choose not to wear a helmet -
PLEASE MAKE ME YOUR BENEFICIARY SO I CAN RETIRE
It is a game of adds - they eventually will change.
Personal policy, I won't even ride with folks not properly geared up. You all go ahead....imo, it makes the person look like a novice. That, and the fact I don't want to have to witness the result of a no-gear crash with the obvious knowlege the results could have been way different.
It's the same reason for people who won't wear a seatbelt, the purely illogical excuses:
"If I roll over and I'm unconscious, the car is on fire, how do I unbuckle myself?"
Yes, I've heard that one and excuses like it and the people were serious. Similar ones for not wearing a helmet and gear.
race24x
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Its funny how alot of you relate crashing with a helmet as living and crashing without a helmet as dieing. How do you drive with all of your gear on? If you think wearing a helmet at 100 MPH is going to save your ass you may be disappointed. Lets all just get along and realize that alot of veterans died so we could live in a country where you have a right to choose. Full gear just a helmet or no gear at all be careful, that little piece of plastic on your head or full leather suit gives you a better chance of not getting hurt but it doesnt make you superman. broken necks broken backs etc is how alot of riders end up.
Interesting.
23 states plus the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico all require helmets.
25 states have some sort of helmet law for those under 18 / 19 / or 21 years old. Some also require helmets for novice riders, those with learner's permits, and two states (Texas and Florida) require 10K of medical insurance if choosing to ride without a helmet. 10K will cover your emergency room visit and a day or so in the ICU - maybe.
2 states have no helmet laws at all. Iowa (I'm ashamed to say), and Illinois.
Thanks for the link.
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