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I forgot to tell you, I race on the street all the time and I win all the time. So far
please keep debating, we are making progress and understanding eachother, to an extent.
I forgot to tell you, I race on the street all the time and I win all the time. So far
When you say no one but the riders would get hurt. I have to disagree.
If a rider goes down and another car, semi truck etc, has to stop or make an evasive maneuver, they may have to leave the roadway, roll and crash.
If traffic has to come to a stand still, more than likely someone will rear end the stopped traffic.
What you do effects others, this is why we call it a public roadway.
back to the topic, the gixxer was with you all the way to the end of race, i don't think you pulled on him at all. both bikes are very close.
it is done and over but you for your own safety find a place wth no traffic next time. just think of it this way: when you are passing the trafic on right side at 130-150 miles per hour, you will have not even a second to react if the traffic decides to change lane. if you think of those consequnces and what would happen if, you will not do that kind of stunt in public highways.
Well it appears this thread has gone full circle.. and a couple post from members surprise me.. others I applaud...well looking at where you are from (GA) and the issues of late that they are combating with sport bikes gone wild... Just seems like you guys could pick better places and times to do this stuff is all... I mean we buy these bikes because they are fast... but picking the time and place to use it requires some thought is all...
Well it appears this thread has gone full circle.. and a couple post from members surprise me.. others I applaud...
I will not even comment on street racing.. This was around before most of you were ever born and you have no idea the amount of carnage, death and sadness it has brought so many over the years.. (sorry that any members here would even condone such an activity)
The post by Busa159 is not the rant of a "better than you rider" it comes from years of having to ring the doorbell of the parent or family member that belongs to the dead person... He has a unique perspective that I hope to god you never have to experience.. (Thank you sir for your service)
RACING: It belongs on a track.. period... I have raced professionally for many years as a driver, crew chief, owner... I have been near 300 on asphalt and 200 on the water..
did we street race? I can honestly say I have never run a race in a place that stood a chance of someone getting hurt that was not involved.. I have never run a side by side street race with a car or bike (other than the track).. I know where to go to do this legally and safely.. you know you can read the side of an ambulance at 250mph? sure is a reassuring vehicle...
Do I speed? hell yea I do but again, the places I choose leave very little to guess.. and certainly no one else to get hurt but myself.. (and the people here that have I have had the privilege to ride with will vouch for this I am pretty sure)
IF you want to go fast on a public road, there are times and places that are both relatively safe and out of the way (the posted video was neither)
My posts often "hedge" around subjects and I try to promote the thought process... I have been taught a thing or 2 over the last couple years about trying to be more tactful and am only slighty successful.... however... I must regress at times to my old ways.. SO
Are you stupid? did you not get the issues at hand about street racing, high speed runs, stunting in populated, traffic laden areas of the city that endanger others?
The entire sport bike riders issue lies squarely on our own shoulders.. As so well put by the officers of the 4 state meeting we attended... it is up to the riders peers to address the stupidity being exhibited by so few that are affecting so many..
This site is the world of these positive peers.. the intelligent, smart and long lived bike riders.. yes they speed, yes they may pop a wheelie but they seem to do so where it will only affect one person.. themselves.. Yea maybe we are a bunch of old conservative fuddy duddies but we are alive and well fuddy duddies...
Go to a few MnG's tell me what you see... Adults with leathers, helmets, gloves and real lives outside of the bike scene without a dam thing to prove to anyone..
If you want to fit in? I suggest you try and see what it is about us that make us this way.. I can promise we will not digress into young stupid kids getting killed doing stupid stuff on the street.. on that same note, if you promote, post or otherwise endorse the behavior? expect to get called out.. I sure as heck wont ride with you, I hate stopping to clean up the blood and guts... enough of that happens to guys that are riding correctly..
This is not my web site but it is my community and I enjoy my freedoms as a sport bike rider, I will not allow you to screw it up if I can stop it at any level...
you want to be a squid? I invite you to find a new site... I am going home now....
he might just be one of the most "Law" abiding members we have? anyone care to debate that?IF YOU FOLLOW ALL TRAFFIC LAWS AS YOU SPEAK YOU DO. AND HOLD YOURSELF SO HIGHLY, WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT LAWS BECOMING STRICTER? wont that help? if laws are stricter, maybe it will get more people like me off the streets quicker, so that the more mature riders as yourself can have to road safely.
your contradicting yourself and you dont even know it! but like you said, my screename screams that i cant have any sense.. where as yours says 'im always right"
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WOW! This is a heated discussion. Since they're all just opinions, here's mine. Give the dude a break! We get on the .org and brag about how fast our scoots are, then jump dudes case for making a video. Please. If he wants to take that risk, then his his life. Who among us has any right to judge him? I'm not qualified. Personally, I don't ride that fast, but if he does, it's his business. How many of us have access to a track anyway? Wish I did. but I don't. Are we so arrogant as to think that our behavior has anything to do with the laws that are made? Laws are about revenue not safety. The more sport bikes that show up, the more likely there will be laws concerning them. Do the math. We are not that special. It would seem to me that instead of shouting,"shame on you" we should be asking, "hey, wanna come ride with us"? The truth is that we lead by example, not by preaching and condemnation. You know what they say about the truth. "it will set you free". But first it's gonna piss you off. JMO
first you argue about what is happening in the video, now you are arguing about WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED, but htose things did not so STOP SCOLDING ME FOR THINGS I DIDNT DO (wreck, start chaing of events ect) that is where you are jsut trying to look smart and make me look bad, shows your "law enforcement " mentality (yeah i went there)You are not entirely correct.
Criminally you would probably get off in the rear end crash cause the biker started the chain of events.
The biker will assume most of the financial and criminal charges for starting the chain of events. Not saying he or she would have charges filed on them for what happens a few minutes after the crash, but it is up to a district attorney to decide.
No on the financial end, that is another story. All insurace companies will go after the person that started the crash event.
When there money and assets are depleted they go onto some one else.
The attorneys like trucking companies and people with large assets.
So a person could be totally broke.
If some one dies as a result of a crash and the family wants this person to pay with their freedom, they will have to defend that action in court.
Sounds pretty bleak, but totally possible and it has happened many times.
Murphy s law gone terribly bad. Just trying get the idea across that we all can and will be held accountable for our actions.
Don't take this wrong, but that video could be used against you if you were involved in a crash in the future and it would not look good on a big screen in court if you were sitting in the defendant's chair.
Far fetched but ya never know, CYA
he might just be one of the most "Law" abiding members we have? anyone care to debate that?
can I post a pic here?
Doesn't matter what points you are trying to make. There are no justifications for exhibition of speed on public roadways, wether being done in a highly populated area or in the sticks with no one around... It's not like doing it on some deserted road is any safer... Just not innocent general public around. The consequences could infact be greater, take longer for rescue to get there.
As an adult you alone are responsible for the risk you take, severity of risk depends on the consequences of your actions...
When you say no one but the riders would get hurt. I have to disagree.
If a rider goes down and another car, semi truck etc, has to stop or make an evasive maneuver, they may have to leave the roadway, roll and crash.
If traffic has to come to a stand still, more than likely someone will rear end the stopped traffic.
What you do effects others, this is why we call it a public roadway.
every one of us has the responsibility to correct the actions of these riders..WOW! This is a heated discussion. Since they're all just opinions, here's mine. Give the dude a break! We get on the .org and brag about how fast our scoots are, then jump dudes case for making a video. Please. If he wants to take that risk, then his his life. Who among us has any right to judge him?
beg to differ, you recognized dangerous behaviorI'm not qualified.
gimme your zip code, I would bet you have a legal race track within 1 hour or so.. (and this is not solely about doing it on the track)How many of us have access to a track anyway?
This is probably the most errant of your statements.. the laws have everything to do with us.. If you feel these laws are all about revenue, you live in a world discolored by ignorance..Are we so arrogant as to think that our behavior has anything to do with the laws that are made? Laws are about revenue not safety.