WTF Is Wrong With People?

[Sthree]

That dumb b!tch will have A LOT of time to relax now in JAIL!

Idiot.. That's just pathetic.. Poor kids

 

[WWJD]

Mr. Brown, That's not the most ridiculous thing you've ever read... but THIS will be:

I AM ABSOLUTLEY, POSITIVELY NOT DEFENDING HER ACTIONS AND HOPE SHE IS JUSTLY DELT WITH!

BUT....

that said, let me toss in.... Demons. Maybe people don't believe in demons because they were brought up to believe a "demon" is hunched over dark red creature with pointy ears, carrying a pitch fork. But in reality that is simply a visual representative form of something our pea brains can not comprehend with out some sort of shape or form... the way a HEART might represent a state of LOVE... some thing defined put into tangible form. Demons come in a variety of flavors and disguises [yes, I believe all this claptrap I'm spewing, having witness much of it first hand and coming at it with a scientific and cynical eye] and more than likely she DID hear voices. She's not the first person to use that excuse. What un possesed person would kill off her very own offspring using clear, rational thinking "I have no heart or love, so I will kill my kids, and I should be able to use that old VOICES MADE ME DO IT excuse so I can trash the rest of my life and live confortably in a padded cell away from all my family and my husband whom I sitll love? EXCELLENT PLAN!" No. They also mentioned schizophrenia, which is a term science HAS to use since science only exists within the boundries of provables by TODAYS KNOWN ELEMENTS. Science HAS to give it a FORM it can deal with... not unlike saying demons are reaad with pointy ears. Perhaps our understanding of demons is skewed by our known reality which is the main thing we are brought up to trust. If you don't beleive in a FORCE of good or evil, would you explain EVERYTHING as bad chemistry? I can't. I've seen, heard and read too much to fall for that. I think she has a demon or demons of some sort messing with her.... maybe they mess up her chemistry so doctors will pump her full of sendatives which calm her down more so she is more accepting of hosting? Naw, who'd ever think of that?

If you've EVER felt impending gloom, depression, thought of taking your life, chances are a demon was pounding on you. No, not some invisibble red creature poking you with a fork, but a force we can't comprehend working on levels beyond our reasoning ability to destroy us for a result we won't believe. Or maybe it IS an invisilbe red creature - maybe it's just that easy too.

Anyhow, I can't beleive any human being could do such an attrocity without the support and backing of a LEGION of evil reinforcing the end result as positive to her twisted mind.

There IS a war going on behind the scenes of our percieved reality.

Again, I am NOT finding excuses for the horrible actions of this woman. But it sounds like she is not 'herself'. Then who might she be?

 

[Mr Brown]

WW, all that you said could indeed be true. I'm not disputing the validity of Angels, or Demons. Those things are best debated by those far more knowledgeable on the subject than I.
However, regardless of her reason, she is a worthless sack of sh!t, and needs to be put down.

 

[FloydV]

for all we know she had some divine intervention..... and those three children were the next J.Dahlmer, C.Manson and G.W.Bush....three people this planet would have been a much better without in the first place.  

and on the flip side....they could have been savants just as well.

But seriously...you can't necessarily dismiss a persons actions as anything but true, until you can positively disprove their intentions,.

A lot of wierd shiot happens in this world, and just because we think we are the greatest nation in the world...it doesn't give us one bit of insight into how M. nature wants things done.

Incarcerate her sure...but kill?  What proof do we have that she didn't just save the world from a man made disaster?

This prolly sounds wierd coming from a guy that believes in public excecutions, and corporal punishment.

Well, first I'm really stunned by the incident, poor kids.

But, if a person is really schizophrenic, their brains are wired wrong, and it's conceivable that she was compelled by an out of control brain to do what she did. I mean throwing kids off a bridge is almost by definition crazy. That's if she really is schizophrenic. I can't think of a motive for doing something that nuts where you are sure to be caught.

They should put her in with Manson and throw away the key.
By law, you can't sterilize her, and the whole scenario could happen again.

Is it just me, or isn't this mom killing kids thing happening more and more often, or is it just better news coverage?

 

[busahaya]

Sad part about it is she will be on death row for the next 20 years or so...

 

[WWJD]

Im gettin sick of seeing the this kind of thing happen, and only to find out some doctor had been prescribing antidepressants and/or some other mind farking drugs.

In the 90's the medical establishment told everyone to put their kids on Ritalin, and like sheep - everyone did it. Same goes for prozac, - which isnt popular now, - and xanax and blah, blah and blah. The kids didnt "have" anything. They werent "ADDHD" or any other bull

Let me know when you start running for office, and I WILL start voting again! Very well said. Sometimes the simple TRUTH is ignored for a profit. I guess http://huxley.net/ will win in the end

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[VaBusa]

Im gettin sick of seeing the this kind of thing happen, and only to find out some doctor had been prescribing antidepressants and/or some other mind farking drugs.

In the 90's the medical establishment told everyone to put their kids on Ritalin, and like sheep - everyone did it.  Same goes for prozac, - which isnt popular now, - and xanax and blah, blah and blah.  The kids didnt "have" anything.  They werent "ADDHD" or any other bull

Let me know when you start running for office, and I WILL start voting again!   Very well said.  Sometimes the simple TRUTH is ignored for a profit

Maybe I'm taking this line of talk wrong, but there are REAL instances where medical intervention can help someone with chemical and hormonal imbalances, i.e. drugs...the body can get "out of whack" and had someone know this about some of these Moms, maybe their children would be here today. I'm not saying drugs work every time, but if there's a legit medical problem, they can help

Do you realize how often these horror stories surface and it's AFTER the fact that you hear loved ones saying "yeah, she was SUPPOSED to be on meds" or "yeah, she was showing signs of postpartem depression but never got help:

Don't start this sh*t about "the drugs made 'em do it"...it's not that damn cut and dry...hell, did Tom Cruise just sign on or something?

 

[Hard On Parts]

She could have taken those children to any police station or fire station and walked away.



My greatgrandfather always said "We shoot rabid dogs don't we?"

 

[Mr Brown]

I agree that in some instances medication can have a positive effect, but in far too many cases, prolly the majority, I suspect, they are of no use, or make the problem worse. In any case, the drugs usually simply mask the problem, reather than treating the CAUSE of the problem. Medication, especially the popular mind-drugs, are often prescribesd when there other more viable options available. The problem is that the big drug companies have most of the medical profession in their pocket. Since when did the public suggest to doctors what meds they need? "Ask your doctor if xxxxxx is right for you" is a tagline I hear more and more in commercials. It used to be that you went to the doctor, told him your symptoms, and HE told YOU what to do. The medical profession is being reduced to salesmen for drug companies.....

 

[VaBusa]

I agree that in some instances medication can have a positive effect, but in far too many cases, prolly the majority, I suspect, they are of no use, or make the problem worse. In any case, the drugs usually simply mask the problem, reather than treating the CAUSE of the problem. Medication, especially the popular mind-drugs, are often prescribesd when there other more viable options available. The problem is that the big drug companies have most of the medical profession in their pocket. Since when did the public suggest to doctors what meds they need? "Ask your doctor if xxxxxx is right for you" is a tagline I hear more and more in commercials. It used to be that you went to the doctor, told him your symptoms, and HE told YOU what to do. The medical profession is being reduced to salesmen for drug companies.....

I agree with you to some extent J, but as a gal that's known of many new Moms that have suffered with postpartem depresssion and general depression, I can tell you that if you can get yourself leveled out CHEMICALLY, you're better off...if there are environmental factors contributing to your problems, that's an entirely different animal...

I was talking to my neighbor about this very topic last night as our kids ran circles around us. She's just had baby #2 and went for a 6 week checkup. She said it was the first time she noticed her doctor asking her questions as if she was "looking" for signs of instability...my hope is that MORE doctors ask their patients trigger questions to help diagnose someone that's heading down a path they can't control...this, of course, will do nothing for women that don't even have access to health care or can't afford it, but it's a start with the doctors and patients toward diagnosing potential problems...

 

[Mr Brown]

I agree with you to some extent J, but as a gal that's known of many new Moms that have suffered with postpartem depresssion and general depression, I can tell you that if you can get yourself leveled out CHEMICALLY, you're better off...if there are environmental factors contributing to your problems, that's an entirely different animal...

I was talking to my neighbor about this very topic last night as our kids ran circles around us.  She's just had baby #2 and went for a 6 week checkup.  She said it was the first time she noticed her doctor asking her questions as if she was "looking" for signs of instability...my hope is that MORE doctors ask their patients trigger questions to help diagnose someone that's heading down a path they can't control...this, of course, will do nothing for women that don't even have access to health care or can't afford it, but it's a start with the doctors and patients toward diagnosing potential problems...

Bear with me here M, but what did all the millions of women who suffered through Post-Partum Depression do before the new found reliance on chemicals? They friggin dealt with it. I've had my battles with depression, but meds are too often a knee-jerk reaction that simply disguises the problem....Figure out why you are depressed, fix that, exercise (it releases endorphins), and monitor yourself, things will likely get better.

 

[Devious]

I agree with you to some extent J, but as a gal that's known of many new Moms that have suffered with postpartem depresssion and general depression, I can tell you that if you can get yourself leveled out CHEMICALLY, you're better off...if there are environmental factors contributing to your problems, that's an entirely different animal...

I was talking to my neighbor about this very topic last night as our kids ran circles around us.  She's just had baby #2 and went for a 6 week checkup.  She said it was the first time she noticed her doctor asking her questions as if she was "looking" for signs of instability...my hope is that MORE doctors ask their patients trigger questions to help diagnose someone that's heading down a path they can't control...this, of course, will do nothing for women that don't even have access to health care or can't afford it, but it's a start with the doctors and patients toward diagnosing potential problems...

Bear with me here M, but what did all the millions of women who suffered through Post-Partum Depression do before the new found reliance on chemicals? They friggin dealt with it. I've had my battles with depression, but meds are too often a knee-jerk reaction that simply disguises the problem....Figure out why you are depressed, fix that, exercise (it releases endorphins), and monitor yourself, things will likely get better.

Now that's what I'm talking about...............

 

[VaBusa]

I agree with you to some extent J, but as a gal that's known of many new Moms that have suffered with postpartem depresssion and general depression, I can tell you that if you can get yourself leveled out CHEMICALLY, you're better off...if there are environmental factors contributing to your problems, that's an entirely different animal...

I was talking to my neighbor about this very topic last night as our kids ran circles around us.  She's just had baby #2 and went for a 6 week checkup.  She said it was the first time she noticed her doctor asking her questions as if she was "looking" for signs of instability...my hope is that MORE doctors ask their patients trigger questions to help diagnose someone that's heading down a path they can't control...this, of course, will do nothing for women that don't even have access to health care or can't afford it, but it's a start with the doctors and patients toward diagnosing potential problems...

Bear with me here M, but what did all the millions of women who suffered through Post-Partum Depression do before the new found reliance on chemicals? They friggin dealt with it. I've had my battles with depression, but meds are too often a knee-jerk reaction that simply disguises the problem....Figure out why you are depressed, fix that, exercise (it releases endorphins), and monitor yourself, things will likely get better.

I'm not even walking down this road with you J...no fight in me today...

Like I said, I'd kill this woman myself if given the chance, yet I'm aggravated that yet another woman "can't cope" with life for whatever reason...she flew under someone's radar, she didn't get herself help and now her kids are gone...it wasn't a demon and she didn't off the next Hitler...

I don't have the answers...

 

[BaybeBusa04]

Mr. Brown....Not true in all cases. I noticed signs of PP about a month after my daughter was born. I listened to one of my sisters who spit out the same thing from her mouth. "people did it for hundreds of years before, why mess with it now."
When Abbi was around 1 it got worse and worse. Then Panic attacks set in. I finally got the help I needed. and it only took 6 months of treatment. I've been fine ever since.
I then went to my sister with the same thing the Dr told me.
"Depression is a disease, so is cancer. would you tell your mom to not go through Chemo because people did it for hundreds of years with out meds? No."
We have come a long way over the years as far as treatments for such problems. And there will ALWAYS be someone that will abuse something and screw things up.

 

[VaBusa]

I agree with you to some extent J, but as a gal that's known of many new Moms that have suffered with postpartem depresssion and general depression, I can tell you that if you can get yourself leveled out CHEMICALLY, you're better off...if there are environmental factors contributing to your problems, that's an entirely different animal...

I was talking to my neighbor about this very topic last night as our kids ran circles around us.  She's just had baby #2 and went for a 6 week checkup.  She said it was the first time she noticed her doctor asking her questions as if she was "looking" for signs of instability...my hope is that MORE doctors ask their patients trigger questions to help diagnose someone that's heading down a path they can't control...this, of course, will do nothing for women that don't even have access to health care or can't afford it, but it's a start with the doctors and patients toward diagnosing potential problems...

Bear with me here M, but what did all the millions of women who suffered through Post-Partum Depression do before the new found reliance on chemicals? They friggin dealt with it. I've had my battles with depression, but meds are too often a knee-jerk reaction that simply disguises the problem....Figure out why you are depressed, fix that, exercise (it releases endorphins), and monitor yourself, things will likely get better.

Now that's what I'm talking about...............

I'm outta here...too much testosterone...

 

[VaBusa]

Mr. Brown....Not true in all cases.  I noticed signs of PP about a month after my daughter was born.  I listened to one of my sisters who spit out the same thing from her mouth.  "people did it for hundreds of years before, why mess with it now."
When Abbi was around 1 it got worse and worse.   Then Panic attacks set in.  I finally got the help I needed.  and it only took 6 months of treatment.  I've been fine ever since.  
I then went to my sister with the same thing the Dr told me.
"Depression is a disease, so is cancer.  would you tell your mom to not go through Chemo because people did it for hundreds of years with out meds?  No."
We have come a long way over the years as far as treatments for such problems.  And there will ALWAYS be someone that will abuse something and screw things up.

Thank you Carrie...

 

[BaybeBusa04]

Im not defending the woman...dont confuse the two here!!!!
But dont say that women need to deal with something that you have NO CLUE on!! The hormonal imbalance in a womans body after giving birth is recoculus!
So after a man has a baby, then I will let you speak on "dealing with it" while going through PPD!!!

 

[Mr Brown]

Ladies-
I'm not singling out PPD, or meaning to trivialize it in any way. I'm not implying that women are somehow more suceptible to depression or any mental problems. What I said applies to both genders. I'm sure that some cases of PPD and other forms of depression are treatable by meds, but we as a society have become entirely too dependent on "symptom maskers" rather than cures.

 

[BaybeBusa04]

Ladies-
I'm not singling out PPD, or meaning to trivialize it in any way. I'm not implying that women are somehow more suceptible to depression or any mental problems. What I said applies to both genders. I'm sure that some cases of PPD and other forms of depression are treatable by meds, but we as a society have become entirely too dependent on "symptom maskers" rather than cures.

Ok...Treatment by medication and therepy CAN BE A CURE. But it is up to the patient to follow through.
I nor my doctor masked any symptoms. We treated them and I am fine now.
Pain medicine "masks" pain...so dont take it? Yes you have to take it in order for your body to heal right from any injury or surgery.
This is an argument that can go on and on forever.
Point is, the drugs that have come out recently are made to improve your way of living. Viagra helps old men get it up. Vicoden helps you get out of bed after surgery, anti depressants help you get out of bed and FACE THE DAY. so on and so on.
As far as depression and "mental illness" go...therepy too is needed in many cases.
There is not a cure for every disease out there, but now there are TREATMENTS to help you get through life while your body fights the disease on a daily basis.

 

[DAB]

Irrespective of the "cure" for her problem, the fact is she had one, and she discussed it with relatives (her mother was seeking custody of the children I heard.)

It would have been nice if somone had taken control of a situation she obviously couldn't handle - for whatever reason.

I've also heard that she's pleading not-guilty to murder. Should be interesting to hear what she considers throwing 3 children to their deaths is.