PCV - Dont understand which model i need

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Managed to collar the rep from Dynojet at this years NEC Bike show yesterday. Got the brochure off him. Seems that for 2008 model, you need the "411" model, 2009 and 2010 models use the "008" model.

Thought its the same bike?

Both models have a "*" next to them in the brochure thats says

"These models require either a dynojet ignition module/QEM/SFM or a dynojet universal quickshifter to function"

WTF?? Thought it was a simple case of plugging in the damn thing, loading a map and then getting it tuned at local dynojet specialist.

Do i need more kit for it to work?

Jza

PS im not getting the ECU flashed (no one in UK seems to do it) and am not getting a Bazzaz thingy (no one in UK seems to know how to use them) in case anyone suggests that :)
 
as said m8 there both the same from 08 onwards . i was as the nec yesterday and everyone i spoke to didnt have a clue wot they was on about lol
 
A PCV will work on a 08-10 for mapping the exhaust. But all these bikes have secondary injectors (8 injectors rather than just 4) and the PCV only controlls the primary injectors. What that means is this:

1. If you just want to add a custom map to work with an aftermarket exhaust the PCV is all you need and it's a snap to hookup. You will then either need to DL a map that matches your pipe/air filter combination or get one made on a dyno.

2. f you want to add a quick shifter, you need a dynojet secondary fuel module. This basically controls the secondary feul injectors so that all 8 injectors (not just the 4 primary ones) can be shut down when you hit the quickshifter. If you don't want the quick shifter, you don't need to worry about this.

3. Why doesn't the PCV control all the injectors? Because you don't need to under normal conditions. The only time you will need more adjustment range than you get with the PCV is if you have a turbo, supercharger or nitrous. Otherwise, adjusting the 4 primary injectors with the PCV will be all the complixity you need.

4. Bazzaz controls all the injectors in their basic product. Yes. I do not have experience with this product but I have heard good things about it. I chose the PCV for my bike because it is very easy to get help with and it is proven. I can say that the Bazzaz has a better upgrade path (you can add quick shifter to the basic productand the PCV requires the SFM. Also the Bazzaz has a TC module), but if you just want your Busa to run clean with an aftermarket pipe the Dynojet product is bullet proof IMHO.

5. Should I you us a dynojet Autotune? The autotune constantly adjusts your mapping based on real world riding conditions on your specific bike. But it won't map your bike. You still need to start with a good map (I recommend a custom map created on a dyno). Also I would not recommend you go this way unless you are willing to learn some basic mapping technology and you spend time under the seat of your busa. If you want to go the AUtotune route, remember to have a wide band sensor connection on the pipe. Many headers come with both the wide band and O2 sensor. They are different. I have the Autotune but have not installed it as I don't have a header yet.

6. It is my opinion that ECU editing is the best overall way to tune the bike but it's also the hardest. You will find yourself on your own at times and it may be difficult to find reliable service and dyno services unless you really know how to work all that stuff.

Hope this helps. I'm probably telling you stuff you already knew anyway. I have use the dynojet stuff on three bikes and I have nothing but good things to say for both the product and the company/support. Other options maybe as good or even better, I just can't give you a testomonial on those as I haven't used them.
 
you do not need to control all 8 injectors to go fast
look what Bob did with a pc3usb not even a pcV

214.005 "Loring"-09
 
IN the case of the Busa, you don't need to do anything more than roll the bike out of the showroom to go fast actually.
 
Just to repeat what i asked:

Seems that for 2008 model, you need the "411" model, 2009 and 2010 models use the "008" model.

Both models have a "*" next to them in the brochure thats says

"These models require either a dynojet ignition module/QEM/SFM or a dynojet universal quickshifter to function"

Anyone have any idea what i need?

Jza
 
I have the same question as Jza...

I bought Brock's CT dual and pc5 for my 08 busa at the same time. It runs fine with both setup but even on Brock's website and the box says 09+. Steve at Brock's says it's all compatible like you guys say, but why the typo then? Seems like they should know better than make typos like that. Or, does it really make a difference?

Since Jza got different answers from Dynojet rep, maybe there is something different... ???
 
Johnnycheese said:
what don't you understand?
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I KNOW THE 08 and 09 are the same bike..... LOL

BUT

And here's the answer im after....

There is a different PCV sold for the 08 and the 09/10 model. That doesnt make sense if they are the same bike... unless im missing something.

Why would i want to buy the "old 411" which seems to work for the Gen 1 bike when there is a PCV "008" model now listed but only for 09/10???

Next bit that i dont understand is why its telling me "These models require either a dynojet ignition module/QEM/SFM or a dynojet universal quickshifter to function"

LOL

Jza
 
The reason being,

they hadn't developed the pc5 for the 08 busa and released it until 2009. They listed on their website, when the gen 2 first came out with the only product they had available. They later added a pc5 to work on the gen 2 and instead of including all years of gen 2, they just added it with the year it was introduced.

I ran the pcv on my 08, no problem. You do not need any other devices to run it. If you want to run the lower injectors only on the pc5, that is fine. You do not need an ignition device etc. You can run two powercommanders if you want to adjust all 8 injectors.

I ran an mps kill box, as well as the pcv on the lower injectors with no problem for hundreds of full throttle passes.

IF you want to run a pc3 on any gen 2 bike, order the 411
IF you want to run a pc5 on any gen 2 bike, order the 008

simple as that. they have both available for the gen 2.
they function the same but offer slightly different features.
 
Thanks for the info STevo.

Right... it is common knowledge that the 08~present busa has the same hardware, but was kind of confused when they specifically say '09+. It almost makes it sound like the '08 had a carryover ECU or something from gen 1 (which happens some times when they change models and the manufacturers want to use up old parts - on other vehicles). They should have stated '08+ so people like me, with limited knowledge, don't get confused. :laugh:

On a serious note, I don't see why they wouldn't put '08 model on the box or website even though it was developed later than the first year of production. Just doesn't make sense marketing-wise.
 
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They still have PCIII's available and don't want to get stuck with old inventory when they know the PC5 will work. So I'm sure they're going to continue to list the PCIII for the 08's until they're sold out
 
Honda East Justin said:
They still have PCIII's available and don't want to get stuck with old inventory when they know the PC5 will work. So I'm sure they're going to continue to list the PCIII for the 08's until they're sold out
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this. when they introduced the pc5 for the 08+ it was early in 09 and they had a number of pc3 pc available. Since the market was mostly 08 bikes, it made sense to get rid of the older product first.
 
In short, they do not support PCV for the 2008, probably for the reasons stated above...they will tell you (depending on who you speak with) that the same PCV that fits the 2009 model will also fit the 2008 model.

And yes, they are the same~!~
 
Cool

What about the "These models require either a dynojet ignition module/QEM/SFM or a dynojet universal quickshifter to function" in that case? It says this for the 008 model.

Jza
 
STevoVIII said:
The reason being,

they hadn't developed the pc5 for the 08 busa and released it until 2009. They listed on their website, when the gen 2 first came out with the only product they had available. They later added a pc5 to work on the gen 2 and instead of including all years of gen 2, they just added it with the year it was introduced.

I ran the pcv on my 08, no problem. You do not need any other devices to run it. If you want to run the lower injectors only on the pc5, that is fine. You do not need an ignition device etc. You can run two powercommanders if you want to adjust all 8 injectors.

I ran an mps kill box, as well as the pcv on the lower injectors with no problem for hundreds of full throttle passes.

IF you want to run a pc3 on any gen 2 bike, order the 411
IF you want to run a pc5 on any gen 2 bike, order the 008

simple as that. they have both available for the gen 2.
they function the same but offer slightly different features.
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Jza said:
Cool

What about the "These models require either a dynojet ignition module/QEM/SFM or a dynojet universal quickshifter to function" in that case? It says this for the 008 model.

Jza
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You're over complicating it. You don't need the ignition module, the quick shifter module, or the secondary fuel module. Disregard what dynojet says. Seriously. talk to someone that has installed a bunch of them. :laugh: The stipulation you're hun up on is for allowing the quick shifter to function.
 
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STevoVIII said:
The reason being,

they hadn't developed the pc5 for the 08 busa and released it until 2009. They listed on their website, when the gen 2 first came out with the only product they had available. They later added a pc5 to work on the gen 2 and instead of including all years of gen 2, they just added it with the year it was introduced.

I ran the pcv on my 08, no problem. You do not need any other devices to run it. If you want to run the lower injectors only on the pc5, that is fine. You do not need an ignition device etc. You can run two powercommanders if you want to adjust all 8 injectors.

I ran an mps kill box, as well as the pcv on the lower injectors with no problem for hundreds of full throttle passes.

IF you want to run a pc3 on any gen 2 bike, order the 411
IF you want to run a pc5 on any gen 2 bike, order the 008

simple as that. they have both available for the gen 2.
they function the same but offer slightly different features.
Click to expand...

Makes perfect sense.. thanks mate.. 008 here i come :)
 
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