I wiped out!
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madkatana
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I dunno, I got a set of Avons on the goldwing and me and the wifey fly fairly well... As for my other two bikes, one with dunlops, one with bridgestones and the wifeys on stones too. The next set on the gsxr1000 will probably be dunlops I wanna have that sticker on the front like Miladin...LoL
No matter the tire, a "semi-wet" road is nightmare enough.
I'd prefer riding on a soaked road, FWIW. That semi-wet is not something I like to do. I've had more close calls on "semi-wet" than I have on soaked roads.
And FWIW, I ride on pirelli Diablos.
I'd prefer riding on a soaked road, FWIW. That semi-wet is not something I like to do. I've had more close calls on "semi-wet" than I have on soaked roads.
And FWIW, I ride on pirelli Diablos.
Depending on how you downshift, blipper or slipper, will determine what you could have done to keep the rear end under control.
If you are a blipper, then you have only the throttle to control how much engine braking the rear tire does. You need good skill matching rpms with rear wheel speed, otherwise the input isn't smooth and will break the rear end loose. The more engine braking you allow it to do, the more the rear tire chatters.
If you are a slipper, like me, then you control how much the rear end engine brakes with the clutch. You slowly and gradually release the clutch to keep the rear end from chattering. I think its an easier to be precise with the engine braking, but requires more concentration and focus then just blipping.
If the road is wet, you need to be an even better slipper or blipper than in the dry because no matter how good your tires are, you have a lot less grip in the wet. I wouldn't even try using 1st gear for engine braking in the wet.
If you are a blipper, then you have only the throttle to control how much engine braking the rear tire does. You need good skill matching rpms with rear wheel speed, otherwise the input isn't smooth and will break the rear end loose. The more engine braking you allow it to do, the more the rear tire chatters.
If you are a slipper, like me, then you control how much the rear end engine brakes with the clutch. You slowly and gradually release the clutch to keep the rear end from chattering. I think its an easier to be precise with the engine braking, but requires more concentration and focus then just blipping.
If the road is wet, you need to be an even better slipper or blipper than in the dry because no matter how good your tires are, you have a lot less grip in the wet. I wouldn't even try using 1st gear for engine braking in the wet.
First off - sorry to hear about you and your scoot. Heal fast and get back in the saddle.
Turned 20k on the '06 today.
The last 11k have been on Avons. For guy's like me that rack up the miles, I can't drop 3 bones on a rear tire every 45-60 days. I feel the Avons are a quality tire that hold just barely less than the stock B-stones. It all depends on how you ride and where you ride. I don't lean the bike over enough to worry about scraping the cans, so the Avon works well for me. Agree with most here in assuming it was rider error as opposed to the tire. That would happen to any tire on a wet road.
Good luck!
Turned 20k on the '06 today.
The last 11k have been on Avons. For guy's like me that rack up the miles, I can't drop 3 bones on a rear tire every 45-60 days. I feel the Avons are a quality tire that hold just barely less than the stock B-stones. It all depends on how you ride and where you ride. I don't lean the bike over enough to worry about scraping the cans, so the Avon works well for me. Agree with most here in assuming it was rider error as opposed to the tire. That would happen to any tire on a wet road.
Good luck!
i have to agree that the tire can not be held solely to blame for this...too many other things going on to do that...the best we can do is set our ride up for our personal riding style and be extra careful when the weather gives us something different...i wouldn't want to ride race slicks through a downpour nor would i want to put my Pirelli Strada's (set up for touring and wet/cold weather) on the race track
As everybody else has mentioned it had really nothing to do with the tires. If it rains just enough to make the road damp, the oil comes to the surface and that's when the bad accidents happen.
I've never tried the Azaros however I do have Viper Sports and wouldn't trade them for 10 new power posers. Comparing Avons to J.C. Whitney Chinese made Cheng Shins is ignorant.
I've never tried the Azaros however I do have Viper Sports and wouldn't trade them for 10 new power posers. Comparing Avons to J.C. Whitney Chinese made Cheng Shins is ignorant.
I've used Avons for YEARS, and that would be 10's of Thousands of miles without any problems. I get great mileage and performance out of them. Of course you need to realize that they're NOT racing tires but touring tires (if that's the type you buy) ! Of course on my track bike I don't use touring tires, just like I don't use track tires for doing miles and miles. If I did then I would expect more flats (Did that) in strange places since the construction is really different. You need to buy the tire based on how you ride and not price. Sorry about your crash, but I'am glad your OK
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Glad your Okay aside from the injuries you sustained .
I can't disagree more. I've run AVON 45/46 on my Busa for the past 25-30,000 miles without any problems with stick. I ride the Dragon hard with Avons, and I'm not slow on the Dragon by any means. Those are Avons in my Avitar.
Sorry you went down, but the Avon is not the cause of your crash. The Avon is an excellent street tire for the Busa with a good combination of grip and longevity. Anytime you are riding in wet conditions you need to back off a bit and be smoother.
Thanks to all, who applied.I'm surprised that no one mentioned the fact that the Avon ST Azaro have harder compounds in them so they wouldn't be as sticky as other tires like Metzler M3 or Michelin PP's.
I definately DO have to take some blame for this happening.But i still have to think that a tire with softer compounds wud of helped a little,and thats all that matters.
At the time of the accident i had been riding for about 5 hrs so the tires were warmed up.I was 10 minutes from home and i think i had i little "riders fatique".Riding in the rain can be very exhausting.I'll never ride in the rain again!!!!!!And i really really was taking it real easy just before i went down.
Oh ya one other thing, just before i wiped out, i noticed my tires spinning while i was upshifting,It did it twice and i wasn't even riding hard at all!!!!
My tire has about 5000 km's on it and it has LOTS of meat left.
I just ordered some Metzler M3's and i will DEFINEATLY be taken it a lot easier from now on!
My bike is all stock except for dual Yoshi's and a power commander and a Gpro.
Thanks again for all your replies,
Reiny
I definately DO have to take some blame for this happening.But i still have to think that a tire with softer compounds wud of helped a little,and thats all that matters.
At the time of the accident i had been riding for about 5 hrs so the tires were warmed up.I was 10 minutes from home and i think i had i little "riders fatique".Riding in the rain can be very exhausting.I'll never ride in the rain again!!!!!!And i really really was taking it real easy just before i went down.
Oh ya one other thing, just before i wiped out, i noticed my tires spinning while i was upshifting,It did it twice and i wasn't even riding hard at all!!!!
My tire has about 5000 km's on it and it has LOTS of meat left.
I just ordered some Metzler M3's and i will DEFINEATLY be taken it a lot easier from now on!
My bike is all stock except for dual Yoshi's and a power commander and a Gpro.
Thanks again for all your replies,
Reiny
as far as the "how did this turn into a tire thing?" issue?...the very topic title indicates that...
the originator of this post felt that the avons were "somehow in part to blame"
for at least a small percentage of what became his final outcome.
why would the mans mind drift that way?...was there a hidden moment in his minds slo-mo re-run of the events that transpired during that train wreck?...or could it be his local service manager muttered that the avons were a very poor choice?
me?...whelp...i can't recount exact names, dates, times, places or render any links or sworn testimoney but...this is not the first story i've heard of avons acting up at low speed causing wobbles and bulldoging the owner right over the side...i've heard several complain of avons "DEVELOPING" some very weird (sometimes violent) low speed wobbles.
ATMSAISTI!
L8R, Bill.
the originator of this post felt that the avons were "somehow in part to blame"
for at least a small percentage of what became his final outcome.
why would the mans mind drift that way?...was there a hidden moment in his minds slo-mo re-run of the events that transpired during that train wreck?...or could it be his local service manager muttered that the avons were a very poor choice?
me?...whelp...i can't recount exact names, dates, times, places or render any links or sworn testimoney but...this is not the first story i've heard of avons acting up at low speed causing wobbles and bulldoging the owner right over the side...i've heard several complain of avons "DEVELOPING" some very weird (sometimes violent) low speed wobbles.
ATMSAISTI!
L8R, Bill.
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