hayabusa or bmw?

[Phil96]

If I can ride my mountain bike all day, I can tour on any trackbike. I'll take
the BMW s1000rr. great pics, thanks

[MrHayabusa213bhp]

There both beautiful bikes, but the hayabusa is the one id want even if it was in pee green!

[Phil96]

There both beautiful bikes, but the hayabusa is the one id want even if it was in pee green!

That's a great idea! I'll get a Busa, and do everything to make it looke like
a puke green Kawi!!

[busa_black]

I say keep your 'busa. Your bike is hot!!!!!!!!! It appears that you've already invested a pretty penny into your busa already. My opinion is you're may 'bored' with the old toy, and want a new project bike. I had my ZX-12R fixed up pretty nice, got bored and bought my busa. I never want to go back to a liter bike. Do you really want to give up the comfortability of you Hayabusa for a liter bike?

[Elvorin]

whatever you are on, time to give it up. You must be crazy to even consider selling Busa for something else.

[fallenarch]

I think the liter bike class is going to quickly pass the hyperbikes on performance anyway. Truth is the Busa may be on it's last go round. Even though we love it, the performance and weight of a hyperbike never really made much sense. The performance crowd is looking at liter bikes and that's where the fightin is for the manufacturers, especially with GP going liter in 2012.

But the Japanese aren't going to let BMW sneek in there and take the class without a fight. Look at the BMW and it's not that special:

1. You can easily get that hp out of a liter bike, any liter bike.
2. A speed shifter is a $400 mod from dynojet
3. Everyone has traction control, they just aren't selling it.
4. Everyone has ABS, Honda's is the best for sport bikes.
5. Handling is mid-pack literbike, not the best not the worst.
6. Suspension is mid-pack too

Anyone who says the BMW isn't the best bike on the planet right now has there head up their @#%$. But I wouldn't buy one until the Japanese and the Italians have had a chance to respond. BMW made a slick business move. While the other guys were counting pennies in the recession, they put an average liter bike with aftermarket level performance and goodies on the market at a decent price. Great way to steal the flag and put themselves on the top of the heap while the other guys were sleeping.

But the S1000RR doesn't have anything magic about it, so I'm betting the other guys come back with some real aggressive metal.

[critterdoc]

I think the liter bike class is going to quickly pass the hyperbikes on performance anyway. Truth is the Busa may be on it's last go round. Even though we love it, the performance and weight of a hyperbike never really made much sense.

This is quite possibly the most stupid comment I have ever seen on this site, and it has some pretty stiff competition! I'd like to elaborate, but it's really not worth the effort. Jesus fekkin' Christ...I'm going to bed!

[fallenarch]

This is quite possibly the most stupid comment I have ever seen on this site, and it has some pretty stiff competition! I'd like to elaborate, but it's really not worth the effort. Jesus fekkin' Christ...I'm going to bed!

I'll elaborate. The Busa was invented in the first place because that's where the manufacturer's decided to fight out the top performance bragging rights. The liter class is where that's going to happen now.

Sleep well...........

[Speed King]

The busa is much better looking than the BMW.

[busafastone]

the busa is a more stable plateform, know that the liter bikes are getting lighter, faster, and more powerful, the down side is they are getting twitchy and unstable. i can atest to this had a gen1 bought a 07 1000 at 400 miles was going over a bridge and went into a tank slapper at 55 hit the wall. 10 days in icu and three plates and a puncter lung later, back riding again on a gen 2 best disicion I ever made. always wished i had not sold the gen1. besides stretched that has to be the uglist sport bike I have ever seen

[fallenarch]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the Busa - I love mine and wouldn't want anything else. Frankly I like the weight & stability, I've ridden several 1000's and they feel very unstable to me. I'm just saying that the focus for ultimate performance is going to shift to the liter bikes now that the S1000RR is out there.

[critterdoc]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the Busa - I love mine and wouldn't want anything else. Frankly I like the weight & stability, I've ridden several 1000's and they feel very unstable to me. I'm just saying that the focus for ultimate performance is going to shift to the liter bikes now that the S1000RR is out there.

Actually, that's NOT what you said at all. What you said was this:

the performance and weight of a hyperbike never really made much sense.

The bike I owned before the busa was a Ducati. Loved the power, hated being blown all over the road in strong Texas crosswinds and the twitchy feeling of a bike made for flawless racetrack surfaces.

The reason your comment was stupid is that there will always be a large market for massively powerful bikes that are larger, firmer, and more comfortable than the litre class. In addition, to get the same power from a smaller engine it has to be in a higher state of tune, which almost always makes it more temperamental and less reliable. The busa engine is as close to bullet proof as a 200mph motorbike will ever have.

Your contention is that we all ride busas because they're the fastest thing out there and that simply isn't true. 0-100 acceleration is all that matters in the real world and all the Italian and Japanese Litre bikes have been at least as fast as the busa in that category for a while. What they HAVEN'T been is as comfortable, versatile, and stable!

QED

[fallenarch]

OK whatever.???

Time will tell if I'm "stupid" or not but you're uninformed (I won't call you stupid) if you don't realize that the top dawg bike changes over time.

People always ask me "why do you need all that power and speed on a street bike?" My answer is "I don't need it, I want it." 600 lbs, 170+ WHP, 186 mph - none of that makes "sense" from a bike you can roll right off the showroom floor. That's why it's an Icon.

The point I was making is that the concept of a Hyperbike doesn't really make sense and it was an ego thing for the manufacturers (and we got to benifit from that). But how much more speed and power can you sell for the streets? Remember the Hayabusa was built to top the Blackbird, the ZX14 to battle the busa. I think that fight between the manufacturers (and the resulting missles) is going to the liter class now. I still can't believe the "save you from your self big brothers" haven't put a stop to it.

With the liter class at least there is a racing excuse for it's super powers. Now that BMW has taken the flag for that class, all the other guys are going to dump all the trick stuff they have been holding back into the liter bikes to try and get that flag back.

This is just basic common sense stuff. Sorry if I stepped on your Busa egos but this is so obvious I didn't even think it would be controversial. Anyway, I'm done.

[mikepeavler]

Well I got to ride next to one "BMW" last night on my 09 busa and it "BMW" is a very sharp bike when done in the "optional" paint. I was shocked how fast that bike is....guys I'm telling ya...that is one fast bike. I watched it walk away from boys with stage one turbo's last night! I would guess we were going around 100 and the bike was doing power wheelies like a pogo stick. The guys are all here in Indy for MOTOGP and I didn't see any stock to near stock bike even come close. It's a wicked bike and I have respect for that monster after riding next to him and trying to chase him down when he took off.

M

[Phil96]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the Busa - I love mine and wouldn't want anything else. Frankly I like the weight & stability, I've ridden several 1000's and they feel very unstable to me. I'm just saying that the focus for ultimate performance is going to shift to the liter bikes now that the S1000RR is out there.

I was impressed with the high-speed stability of the BMW. But if you tour a lot,
sure, keep the Busa.

[kdogg]

IMO if you choose the bmw your on the wrong forum!

[Blake051300]

Can't say the results are suprising (This isn't S1000rr.org)???

[Strife]

You already impressed with looks of both,so...

I would boil it down to what it feels like when I sit on it and take it from there. Sitting on anything new is exciting right off the bat,but taking time for the "OH WOW!" to wear off and you might decide just by sitting on it.

Both are impressive bikes in their own way!

[critterdoc]

Anyway, I'm done.

Promise?

[2Wheels2Live]

I think the liter bike class is going to quickly pass the hyperbikes on performance anyway. Truth is the Busa may be on it's last go round. Even though we love it, the performance and weight of a hyperbike never really made much sense. The performance crowd is looking at liter bikes and that's where the fightin is for the manufacturers, especially with GP going liter in 2012.

But the Japanese aren't going to let BMW sneek in there and take the class without a fight. Look at the BMW and it's not that special:

1. You can easily get that hp out of a liter bike, any liter bike.
2. A speed shifter is a $400 mod from dynojet
3. Everyone has traction control, they just aren't selling it.
4. Everyone has ABS, Honda's is the best for sport bikes.
5. Handling is mid-pack literbike, not the best not the worst.
6. Suspension is mid-pack too

Anyone who says the BMW isn't the best bike on the planet right now has there head up their @#%$. But I wouldn't buy one until the Japanese and the Italians have had a chance to respond. BMW made a slick business move. While the other guys were counting pennies in the recession, they put an average liter bike with aftermarket level performance and goodies on the market at a decent price. Great way to steal the flag and put themselves on the top of the heap while the other guys were sleeping.

But the S1000RR doesn't have anything magic about it, so I'm betting the other guys come back with some real aggressive metal.

Yep the big-bores days as the performance kings are over.......the liter-bikes are the new street kings...the BMW's just the first I'm curious as to what the ZX14 and busa do end up morphing into though