Question for the pro gun ban people.

[GNBRETT]

Why do i need a rifle with a 30 round mag? because my goverment has a rifle with a 30 round mag! founding fathers made these laws to protect me from my goverment.

that really made me LOL the government has tanks and anti aircraft weapons. does that mean YOU should have one to?

[cheferman65]

Who has the right to say "who is" and "who is not" responsible? Should we leave this decision to the Federal Government? I think not.

Well, we obviously cannot police ourselves and take responsibility...we see how well that is working.

Maybe if voting Americans took a bit more interest in who/whom we elect and held accountable as "We the people" should, I might be willing, yes.

[cheferman65]

"With great power comes great responsibility"

Our Forefathers wrote our Constitution to provide the citizenry that UNIQUE abilty to protect themselves from a tryanical government (they had just fought off one) and recognized that an armed population ensures that no government (foreign or domestic) could cancel out by force all the other rights guaranteed in this new Constitution they created.

Could they imagine our country decaying to the point that irresponsible people outnumbered responsible ones? I doubt it, cause back then the irresponsbile pretty much weeded themselves out soon enough.

As difficult as it may be, it is a burden that we as Americans must accept to keep all our other rights; without the 2nd, the others will eventually fail.

Now man up, put on your big girl panties, and let's be the country our forefathers envisioned for us.

Real men don't need ak's or ar's.....

[skydivr]

More guns more shooting, less guns less shooting.
If you want less people to shoot each other you need to remove the tool, if you want less people to stab each other you need to remove the knives etc.

If you mean that owning semi automatic battle rifles creates a safer society u are either plain stupid or living in a warzone.

But hey, i'm a guy i'd like to shoot things, i have my Browning bar 308 semi auto hunting rifle, a SIG226 pistol, a shotgun, a Sako 300wm for raindeer hunting, and a Sauer 6,5mm for the shooting range.
Would i use any of them to protect myself. No probably not, i'm insured i'd let the criminals take my stuff rather than risking my and the people in my surrounding's life by startong a shootout.

I wouldn't say 'safe-er', I'd say 'free-er'; are you willing to give up your freedoms for the illusion of safety? If so, then I'm glad there are others who disagree who will eventually end up protecting YOU. That's the sheep giving the sheepdog a hard time while the sheepdog risks all to protect them from the wolf...

Most of the guns you mentioned above qualify for banned items under Feinstein's proposed legislation...function identically to my evil black rifle.

And what happens when the criminals don't want your stuff, they want you, your wife or your child?

[chrisjp]

that really made me LOL the government has tanks and anti aircraft weapons. does that mean YOU should have one to?

no...it should make you worry!!

[DevilDawg1]

Well, we obviously cannot police ourselves and take responsibility...we see how well that is working.

Maybe if voting Americans took a bit more interest in who/whom we elect and held accountable as "We the people" should, I might be willing, yes.

I'm gathering "Maybe If" , "Might", . If people did the right thing to start with, there would never be a need for any kind of weapon. But, that goes back to what is right for one person, may not be right for another person. And I don't feel the federal government will ever be able to decide what is right for me, as well as I can make that decision.

[DevilDawg1]

Real men don't need ak's or ar's.....

What do they need?

[DevilDawg1]

that really made me LOL the government has tanks and anti aircraft weapons. does that mean YOU should have one to?

Thats like asking:

Do you need a motorcycle?
Do you need a V8 car?
Why make a car or motorcycle that will do 100+ MPH when the speed limit is 75 on the interstate and less on other roads.
and this list can go on and on.

[GNBRETT]

Thats like asking:

Do you need a motorcycle?
Do you need a V8 car?
Why make a car or motorcycle that will do 100+ MPH when the speed limit is 75 on the interstate and less on other roads.
and this list can go on and on.

thats a great anaology.... bravo!

[chrisjp]

Thats like asking:

Do you need a motorcycle?
Do you need a V8 car?
Why make a car or motorcycle that will do 100+ MPH when the speed limit is 75 on the interstate and less on other roads.
and this list can go on and on.

apples and oranges gentleman.... do any of the above can be used by the government as a method to remove your rights forcibly and develop their own tyrannical dictatorship and strip the constitution and bill of rights??? AS SO MANY GOVERNMENTS IN THE PAST HAVE AND STILL CONTINUE TO DO TO THEIR PEOPLE EVEN TODAY???!!! are you seriously telling me you THINK that our fine government is ABOVE any of this??? people say pro gun folks are distanced from reality....no...i say those who appose it (anti-gun and flower sniffers) shall be slapped in the face with it .....SOON

[dragonbusa]

Hell yes! If we were all armed to the teeth we"d have way fewer politions with with big ideas about how we should live are lives and way less crime.

that really made me LOL the government has tanks and anti aircraft weapons. does that mean YOU should have one to?

[DevilDawg1]

apples and oranges gentleman.... do any of the above can be used by the government as a method to remove your rights forcibly and develop their own tyrannical dictatorship and strip the constitution and bill of rights??? AS SO MANY GOVERNMENTS IN THE PAST HAVE AND STILL CONTINUE TO DO TO THEIR PEOPLE EVEN TODAY???!!! are you seriously telling me you THINK that our fine government is ABOVE any of this??? people say pro gun folks are distanced from reality....no...i say those who appose it (anti-gun and flower sniffers) shall be slapped in the face with it .....SOON

ditto Chrisjp

The Government ain't done just yet. They have lots of privileges they can legally take away.

But the first ten amendments (Better known as "The Bill of Rights"), that is not a privilege, that is a right gauranteed by the Constitution.

[voodoodoo]

But would you give your weapons up, if Uncle Sam starts asking for them?

I am insured as well, but what is mine is not for the taking by a criminal. As far as defending, each set of circumstances would dictate what a person would/would not/should/should not do. And as for defending my family, no one could do it as hard as I could (everyone would feel the same, for the most part).

Is a piece of equipment worth dieing for (probably not), But is the principle worth fighting for (most definiteley).

Just because an AR15, FAL .308 looks like a military rifle doesn't make it so. Are they tough, durable, and dependable - yes, but so is my lever action 30-30, and my SAA .45LC.

If Uncle Sam comes around asking for my guns i seriously hope my goverment have done all they can to prevent him to do so as i live in Norway :0)

[chrisjp]

If Uncle Sam comes around asking for my guns i seriously hope my goverment have done all they can to prevent him to do so as i live in Norway :0)

lol...it must be funny watching us squirm then lol

[DevilDawg1]

If Uncle Sam comes around asking for my guns i seriously hope my goverment have done all they can to prevent him to do so as i live in Norway :0)

But you still didn't answer the question.

[GNBRETT]

Hell yes! If we were all armed to the teeth we"d have way fewer politions with with big ideas about how we should live are lives and way less crime.

so MORE guns would result in LESS crime? is that what you are saying?

[DevilDawg1]

so MORE guns would result in LESS crime? is that what you are saying?

Lots of people will agree with this. I for one do understand the logic.

If you KNOW someone has a weapon,
If you KNOW someone does not have a weapon,

Who would the criminal pick on?

[voodoodoo]

Well, its no biggie if my goverment tells me to deliver my semi auto browning og my SIG. They are just for fun.
My hunting rifles are for hunting elk, moose, boar and reindeer and are limited to 5shots and bolt action only. Hunting is a hobby and a common source for food in rural Norway.
But then our country is a peaceful place when it comes to guns and even the police patrol unarmed.

I believe that is a reason why there are so few gun related deaths over here and that is that carrying a firearm or keeping it easy accessible is wery uncommon even among criminals. Our weapons and ammo have to be kept locked inside approved cabinets when not in use. When transporting a firearm u have to remove a vital part and keep it separately stored.
In my country using a firearm for self defense is almost unthinkable, criminals know that so there is no need for them to carry one either.
Yes we have shooting among criminals but mostly when they have encounters with other criminals. To use guns against the regular guy is something they dont need because the regular guy does not carry a firearm...

So i'll stick to my opinion, less guns means fever people will die.

[DevilDawg1]

Well, its no biggie if my goverment tells me to deliver my semi auto browning og my SIG. They are just for fun.
My hunting rifles are for hunting elk, moose, boar and reindeer and are limited to 5shots and bolt action only. Hunting is a hobby and a common source for food in rural Norway.
But then our country is a peaceful place when it comes to guns and even the police patrol unarmed.

I believe that is a reason why there are so few gun related deaths over here and that is that carrying a firearm or keeping it easy accessible is wery uncommon even among criminals. Our weapons and ammo have to be kept locked inside approved cabinets when not in use. When transporting a firearm u have to remove a vital part and keep it separately stored.
In my country using a firearm for self defense is almost unthinkable, criminals know that so there is no need for them to carry one either.
Yes we have shooting among criminals but mostly when they have encounters with other criminals. To use guns against the regular guy is something they dont need because the regular guy does not carry a firearm...

So i'll stick to my opinion, less guns means fever people will die.

Well here in the Good ole U.S. of A. Guns are a constitutional right. So if my government ask fo any of my weapons, we have a problem.

We do have our share of problems, but for the most part we are a peaceful group of people. And most of the gun related problems here are criminal on criminal (Most, not all). Our liberal media don't publicize how many times an armed citizen saved the day with his/her personal weapon.

You are entitled to your opinion of less guns, fewer people will die.

But anti-gun opinions should not infringe on my rights to own weapons.

Here in the southern part of the U.S.A. more people hunt/fish than not. So we understand hunting to put food on the table. Most here in the South are raised around firearms our whole life. Some of us learned to shoot before we started school

Here in the U.S.A. if you do not want to own a firearm (there are exceptions, I think in Kennesaw, GA) you dont have to buy one. Just because another person doesn't want one, leave my rights to own a weapon alone.
In Kennesaw, GA., if you live inside the city limits you are required to own a firearm. Look it up.

I will stick to my opinion, Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

[GNBRETT]

Lots of people will agree with this. I for one do understand the logic.

If you KNOW someone has a weapon,
If you KNOW someone does not have a weapon,

Who would the criminal pick on?

and how is that been working out for us so far considering we have more guns then any other civilized country on Earth and more gun violence then any other civilized nation on Earth? so you would call that a success????