40 Reasons to Ban Guns

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1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

Not what you thought, eh? :moon:
 
So your saying :

The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants


Time is gonna pass for that to happen and the goal of the tyrants is to prevent the patriots from waking up and acting !
 
Heres what i dont get about guns....


i am pro gun ownership... flat out, i dont need a second ammendment justification... its america, its our right to own a gun... some people go overboard certainly when they start running around with damn near mil spec weapons... but thats a different issue...

I still think the NRA goes over board, and charlton heston was generally a douche..



That said.... WHY is it, when gun owners jump up and down about responsible gun owners vs criminals...


Every time something comes up about gun laws, the "legal gun ownership with mandated training" is always the bottom of the list...


What part of responsible gun ownership stopped needing skills maintenance...



Thats my one pet peve with most gun owners..


If you want to carry a weapon like a cop (concealed or open carry) train to be effective and safe...

the NRA is supposedly a group of responsible gun owners.... but if its about training that goes beyond the 9 hour CCW course to maintain a permit to carry, they have a fit...




I'm sorry, but with the power to carry, comes to responsibility of maintaining, and periodicly proving your ability to fire said weapon in a reasonable and controlled manner..


We retest you to see if you can drive a car... so damn it, get restested to see if you can hit the broad side of a barn....
 
Heres what i dont get about guns....


i am pro gun ownership... flat out, i dont need a second ammendment justification... its america, its our right to own a gun... some people go overboard certainly when they start running around with damn near mil spec weapons... but thats a different issue...

I still think the NRA goes over board, and charlton heston was generally a douche..



That said.... WHY is it, when gun owners jump up and down about responsible gun owners vs criminals...


Every time something comes up about gun laws, the "legal gun ownership with mandated training" is always the bottom of the list...


What part of responsible gun ownership stopped needing skills maintenance...



Thats my one pet peve with most gun owners..


If you want to carry a weapon like a cop (concealed or open carry) train to be effective and safe...

the NRA is supposedly a group of responsible gun owners.... but if its about training that goes beyond the 9 hour CCW course to maintain a permit to carry, they have a fit...




I'm sorry, but with the power to carry, comes to responsibility of maintaining, and periodicly proving your ability to fire said weapon in a reasonable and controlled manner..


We retest you to see if you can drive a car... so damn it, get restested to see if you can hit the broad side of a barn....



:thumbsup:
 
Goatkart two things .

First a gun is a gun is a gun .
A mil spec all black weapon is no more deadly than my Remington model 7400 autoloader .
Both shoot .308 one is pretty with wood and one is black but you know what they are still both just as deadly !
If like you say you support gun rights you need to stop differentiating between weapons .
Your brain is beginning to believe the liberal brainwash !

A machine gun can sit on a counter FOREVER .
It will not jump up by itself and start shooting people !
It is the potential whacko we need to concentrate on not what kind of weapons you think I or another should own .
Believe me the kind of person who pays 10-20k and goes thru the motions of registering their class III weapon properly is the farthest from a criminal you can imagine !
I know you like to prove me wrong so get to looking and tell me.
In the century that citizens have been able to own select fire weapons in this country how many legally registered machine guns have been used by the owner in the commision of a crime ?
I think you can count them on one hand ! very very few !

Second you talk about practice like the police ?
You do realize most depts only require officers to qualify with their weapons twice a yr don't you ?
Some depts can afford more and diff areas of said depts may shoot more but the average deputy in Palm Beach County shoots his gun twice a yr as a requirement .
If they like guns sure they can shoot more but I cannot tell you how many PBC deputies, Brinks guards or armed security guards I have helped get back on that broad side of the barn .
The type of holster a police officer uses a level 3 retention style is a very difficult style to learn and be able to operate quickly .
A push turn or twist and then draw is needed to remove an officers weapon .
Most do not simply practice their draws much less monthly shooting .
I met officers who told me they hated guns , don't have any in the home and are only on range to get back on paper to keep their jobs.
Their guns were filthy .
I remember I got a Nickel S&W 38 special revo from a armored truck guard .
He told me he had not shot it in over a yr nor cleaned it .
Hmmm ok shame on him but no surprise.
He had simply brought it in for cleaning because he could not get it open .
The thing had froze shut from crud !
We took it out on range and with all my effort and fingers I could squeeze one off !
He literally turned white cuz he realized what he had been carrying .

Agreed that all shoot practice regularly , at least once a week if not a month if you expect training to kick in and work .
If not you may just become the statistic they refer to .
 
......so what about a car....a hammer....... a kitchen knife...you do not need a gun to commit murder......just the wrong mindset.....Gun control for the normal and law abiding citizen is worthless....but there should be some way of retesting and ensuring those skills are up to date and more than just a permit.
 
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I say we ban all the politians in Washington and start over with true Christian Conservatives who will follow the U.S. Constitution as it is written! :thumbsup:
 
+1 back to basics. I'm watching our DOT roadworkers at their stock pile, 8 standing around, one supervisor & 2 "FLUFFING" the pile of antiskid with big tractors, I think they dumped it in front of their new "Obama" storage hut that u guys paid for, prolly need to move to a new larger location soon,...:banghead:
 
Problem with 'adequate training' is:

1. Who pays for it?
2. If the gun owner can't, what's the punishment, take his gun? That's a 2nd Amendment violation right there.

I'm all for training, but it still comes down to responsible gun ownership. If you can't be responsible (felony, drug conviction, mental health assessment, etc.) then you already lose your privilege with the existing law.

I believe the NRA can be anal at times also, but I've also seen what happens when the Brady bunch gets momentum.
 
Problem with 'adequate training' is:

1. Who pays for it?
2. If the gun owner can't, what's the punishment, take his gun? That's a 2nd Amendment violation right there.

I'm all for training, but it still comes down to responsible gun ownership. If you can't be responsible (felony, drug conviction, mental health assessment, etc.) then you already lose your privilege with the existing law.

I believe the NRA can be anal at times also, but I've also seen what happens when the Brady bunch gets momentum.

If they can't pass or pay, then revoke their concealed or open carry license/permit. They can still tote them to the range and practice but they can't mill about society with them on a hip or in a boot. What good would that do anyway, if they can't hit anything?
 
I say we ban all the politians in Washington and start over with true Christian Conservatives who will follow the U.S. Constitution as it is written! :thumbsup:

+1 I'm pro gun and anti idiot:beerchug:only sadly, they're runnin the country:laugh:
 
I carry my gun everywhere I go. I love it, I follow laws more when I have a gun with me. I tend to think about what if more, and do what ever it takes to get away from conflict. So my state will make it legal to carry guns concieled with out a permit. :cheerleader: Its your right, cops get to carry guns y cant I. I will only use that gun if its me or the bad guy, I will not use it to show power in anyway. Most of my firends carry at all times and we r the nicest guys u will meet. Y? Because we know y we have a gun in the first place. It is our rights to carry guns and have any type of weppon in your home. If u want a fully auto AK-47 go for it, as long as u register it and pay your fees with the Gov't.

Remember how many kids died because a crazy lunatic in Japan went on a Stabbing rage, if the teachers had guns he would have been stopped fast. In AZ u r allowed to carry a gun concieled in College.


And Last but not least, CRIMINALS WILL ALWAYS HAVE GUNS, NO MATTER WHAT LAWS THE GOV'T MAKES TO BAN GUNS, CRIMINALS DONT FOLLOW GOV'T LAWS. :beerchug:


FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!

And always teach children of gun safety, show them your guns and how they work and NEVER to touch it if they see one, call an adult.
 
It doesn't take that good an aim at less than 10 feet...



Skydyvr in a self defense situation all conscience thought will go right out the window .
Better hope you have disciplined training to fall back on .
Better hope reactions kick I and you do what you trained to do cuz if not other posters are right there will be nothing but dead innocent people laying around as a result of friendly fire.

Carry a gun around in public and I would even support you having to get a stamp from a certified range saying you shot your 100rnd qualification for the month !
No sense carrying with ideas of protecting innocents if they are the very ones your lack of skill jeopardizes !
 
I say we ban all the politians in Washington and start over with true Christian Conservatives who will follow the U.S. Constitution as it is written! :thumbsup:
Wow. So women should not be able to vote, children should be worked a little bit less than slaves, and blacks should be considered 3/5 of a man?
Dude it's 2010. I agree that things in Washington are not going as well as they should, but having only Christian conservatives in charge, and a literal interpretation of the original Constitution is not the answer.
Besides, what does that have to do with guns/
I'm all in favor of concealed carry laws, and those who like guns being able to possess them. I am however in favor of training for all persons wishing to carry firearms, and strict punishment for those that do not complete the training and carry anyway. Oh, and I'm a liberal........not all liberal's are anti-gun. The NRA do things to justify their own existence, just like every other lobbyist group. They are ridiculous. Wayne Lapierre is like a male version of a stepford wife........
 
#27 = Self explanatory
#37 = One day soon, you will see mob violence of someone calling you an, 'Infidel' and they are 'bunched up in a group' see that pee shooter in your hand? You gonna use a pea shooter against the treason yeast is did not some yeast infected bomb some rush inns go in to work the other day? :whistle: :laugh:

:moon: Use is could not shoot the pimple off my buttside is high time you stop immigration cult import or load up the ammo is the gov is trading oil for infidels. :rofl:
 
#27 = Self explanatory
#37 = One day soon, you will see mob violence of someone calling you an, 'Infidel' and they are 'bunched up in a group' see that pee shooter in your hand? You gonna use a pea shooter against the treason yeast is did not some yeast infected bomb some rush inns go in to work the other day? :whistle: :laugh:

:moon: Use is could not shoot the pimple off my buttside is high time you stop immigration cult import or load up the ammo is the gov is trading oil for infidels. :rofl:


Why am I always confused when he posts ?

2busa ваши столбы всегда очень смущают к мне.
Можете вы прочитать это?
наилучшим образом я наклоняю читаю чего вы говорите то поэтому не чувствую неудачу !

In Russian !
 
#27 = Self explanatory
#37 = One day soon, you will see mob violence of someone calling you an, 'Infidel' and they are 'bunched up in a group' see that pee shooter in your hand? You gonna use a pea shooter against the treason yeast is did not some yeast infected bomb some rush inns go in to work the other day? :whistle: :laugh:

:moon: Use is could not shoot the pimple off my buttside is high time you stop immigration cult import or load up the ammo is the gov is trading oil for infidels. :rofl:

Am I the only one who has no idea of what you just said? :dunno:
 
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