Lets not turn this into a goldenchild bashing session. If he doesn't what to have or carry guns good for him.
Obama "demands" concrete proposals on gun violence
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the NRA offered suggestions to the president and also offered what many have said about video games and hollywood. lets look at the "video games and Hollywood" from a different perspective. i have always referred to recent generations as the "Xbox" generation. where the mentality is "win at all costs, cheat always, humiliate at all times" now combine this with the problem of broken homes, father figures not at home, mother figures not at home, kids raising kids, peers raising kids, and to quote vin diesel in XXX "come on ****, its the only education we got!!" this deadly combinations leads to the "got to have the highest score" mentality along with the lack of fear of god , afterlife or authority. so until we address these core issues, no amount of gun laws or gun bans will change anything. we must address and combat this head on. my suggestion is to come to the meat of the issue and DENY what these people are doing and why. 1: their goal is to "top" the record and make them "infamous" all while going out (suicide by police or themselves). 2: don't give them the "target rich" environments that allow them to accomplish their goals. 3: understand if there is a "will there is a way" and prepare, secure, deny!!! so how do we accomplish this? trained armed teachers in our schools? that would be a start. i think we need to take it further. lets deny them their goals, arm and train teachers (there can be many other isolation and lock down procedures but don't inform them) but take it a different level by arming them with shoot able tazers. doing this means instead of them going out in a "blaze of glory" under their own terms... incapacitate them, or more importantly the "threat" of being subdued and not accomplishing the "suicide or police killing them" option . now add the fact that the recent military budget act has in it the ability to arrest, detain, and hold indefinitely without lawyer or trial just because the government says you are a terrorist. (their action can be classified as a domestic terrorist). now legally they can take them to wherever they hold terrorist and also "torture them" for information. use the media to our advantage...broadcast this...make it top news, show "water boarding" ect ect. i firmly believe that if anyone protests this by saying this is inhumane...we pass it off as we have with all other questions of torture...it saves ____ lives. you tell me what individual is willing to risk a lifetime of torture to commit these acts?? fight the evil where it lives...in the mind. as with all civilized acts we have had religion or laws with punishments Incorporated to make the fear of punishment greater than the act. its not perfect and some will appose...yes responsibility of parents where these kids gain access but that includes a scope of education and morals above and beyond "safekeeping" of the weapons. as for folks that dont wish to be armed. more than welcome. i suggest we look at that from another perspective also. as i have posted about vermont representitive and the bill he introduced
Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.
Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 YEARLY fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.
Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as 'a clear mandate to do so'.
He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals. Vermont’s constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent.."
Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."
Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says.
Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state. It’s currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.
" America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the ******** "
This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns to defend themselves.
Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
Non-gun owners require more police to protect them and this fee should go towards paying for their defense!
and to even simply state this , if they can make laws to force bikers to wear helmets due to increased health costs to all citizens and insurance premiums, refusing to defend one self with seat belts or helmets or guns all have end results. at some point at some time in your daily life , you may encounter a situation in wich one of these items "could" save your life and "reduce" injury's. and the refusal to take these "safety" precautions effects everyone around you by increased insurance premiums and health costs.
so you may not agree with our forefathers in thier construction and instructions in the constitution and bill of rights , you may not agree with seat belt laws and helmet laws or if ordered to carry arms like some places like city's in Texas, and Switzerland ect ect (im sure there are other examples) but the facts don't lie. using seat belts reduce injury's, wearing helmets reduces injury's, (everyone) carrying guns REDUCES CRIME and costs to society in the area of health care, insurance premiums, and costs of state managed "police" costs to "protect" those not willing to protect themselves.
Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.
Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 YEARLY fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.
Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as 'a clear mandate to do so'.
He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals. Vermont’s constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent.."
Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."
Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says.
Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state. It’s currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.
" America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the ******** "
This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns to defend themselves.
Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
Non-gun owners require more police to protect them and this fee should go towards paying for their defense!
and to even simply state this , if they can make laws to force bikers to wear helmets due to increased health costs to all citizens and insurance premiums, refusing to defend one self with seat belts or helmets or guns all have end results. at some point at some time in your daily life , you may encounter a situation in wich one of these items "could" save your life and "reduce" injury's. and the refusal to take these "safety" precautions effects everyone around you by increased insurance premiums and health costs.
so you may not agree with our forefathers in thier construction and instructions in the constitution and bill of rights , you may not agree with seat belt laws and helmet laws or if ordered to carry arms like some places like city's in Texas, and Switzerland ect ect (im sure there are other examples) but the facts don't lie. using seat belts reduce injury's, wearing helmets reduces injury's, (everyone) carrying guns REDUCES CRIME and costs to society in the area of health care, insurance premiums, and costs of state managed "police" costs to "protect" those not willing to protect themselves.
Heres a good idea. Gun Free Zones. Its so simple!
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And I like this young man.
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