My SRP build

[killerrudy]

So, I am not going to go into to much detail as of right now, but I called the shop(dropped off the new cable 7 business days ago) ...previously I also updated about the tuner breaking his arm.... And the owner tells me that they spent 4-5 hrs on it and they are still unable to get the bike ECU to communicate with the computer. I told him that I had already loaded the base map prior and he calls me a lair(basicly) stating that the jumper wire wasn't even connected and he had to do it. theSkaz had photographic evidence of him flashing my ECU! Hold CRAP!! A little frustrated tonight. I was calm on the phone though. I am going with theSkaz in the AM with our laptop and see how broken crap really is!

[theskaz]

[OB_John Noonan]

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So you took the bike to the shop that has tuned several Turbo Hayabusa's well over 550 HP and the bike and tuning you brought to them they have had a problem with?

What the heck did you do to the bike before it went to them? If you already had a boost by Smith box/ECU re-programmer then why did the MAP you were sent not work?

Seems fishy since I have no problem with them tuning and working on any of my bikes.

Lets see:

218+ mph sidecar, WORLD'S fastest record holding Sidecar.

252 MPH Dirt bike, World's fastest bike ever anywhere on dirt.

239+mph bike in Australia, FASTEST open wheeled bike EVER in Australia and track record holder since 2006.

259+ mph at Bonneville and the first 250+ two way average record with a 252+ average speed.

Turbo Busa Rear Engined modified Roadster powered car, 209 average speed at Bonneville..again same place that tuned all of my Turbo Hayabusa's..

Seems like your bike is having some issues that may be bike related or worse OWNER related..if they are having problems the shop can't fix then you have major issues.

Did you work on the bike before you brought it to them? What did you do to the bike before you brought the poorly running freshly installed wannabe turbo system to them?

Seems like you are a keyboard jockey and if you came to me I would tell you to take your bike and hit the road.

Too much work out there with folks trying to keep their bikes running in this economy than to work on, I had a guy on the site you wanted nme to install and tune his Turbo Busa and I quoted him $1,500.00 for labor and tuning, he thought it was too much and then said yes..he wanted to "watch" me do the work so he could then show is 10-15 "friends on the internet" how to do it and share the map I would have made for his power commander.

I told him no, it is $ 1,500.00 and you will get your bike in 1-2 weeks depending on my workload. ( I was working a 40-60 hour day job and also building engines for other racers at the time) He thought I was crazy and found a "builder" who did it twice for a little more than half of what I quoted (each time) and then was pissed at me for not warning him..Fook the internet builders..

What the heck is a skaz..."Super Kaz"

A penny saved is a dollar wasted.

John

[smithabusa]

Rudy i was on the phone with them when they found one of the pins not fully seated in the connector, this can lead to sometimes working sometimes not. this is 99% of all my tech support with gen 2 flashers not working, I don't doubt the jumper wire 1 bit.

If they are getting the same issue where they can see gauge data, but it won't connect to flash I think it might be a good idea to pop the lid off and look at the ground trace on the underside of the board and make sure it didn't explode like on the last setup on the bike. I am still very suspicious on grounding on the bike, i have this sneaking suspicion that the fuel pump is grounded funny and trying to use the flasher to ground through or something. If this one blew the ground trace off the circuit board it would be the second time its ever happened, and both on this bike.

They can call me with any questions on taking it apart and looking at that, only available in the evening, but can email some if they are working on this today during the day.

Greg

[Boosted Cycle Perf]

John,
What's so "wanna be" about the SRP kits? There's several of these kits in my area that just had microtecs added to them, and making well over 400hp, mines in the process of becoming one of those. I might add that the guys running these kits have had them for years and never had an issue. I for one have beat the everliving sh*t out of my bike with this kit, and it held up perfectly. Through my personal experience with this kit, and personally seeing what this kits capable on several of my friends bikes in the area, there's nothing "wanna be" about it. It performs just as good, and if not better then any other kit. You simply can not blame a guy who wants to go faster but can't afford the $4500 to get in on most of the big name stage 1 kits. And I'm sure anyone who has this kit would say if they had the extra money they would go with a big name kit, they would of. But some people can't afford it, such as myself back when I got mine. So to say this kits a wanna be, is almost like a slap in the face. I'm sure in most peoples situations like mine, it was the only thing I could afford.

[killerrudy]

So just left Bobs. We both feel much better about where we stand. We were able to get the bike to accept the flash. So just to set things straight, it was NOTHING to do with him nor installer error like some may have said. It was determined that it has to be in flash mode when u cut the ignition on. We are looking at the middle of next week and I will post up the good news then

[smithabusa]

Glad to hear happy news
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[OB_John Noonan]

Right on!!

[BUSA GHOSTRIDER]

That's excellent!! Glad it was something simple, 9 times out of 10 it usually is. Way to hang in there!!

[killerrudy]

Another set back. So Bob was happy to say that tuning was going great. No more issues getting it to flash today or yesterday. New issue is boost creep. Anytime on a long pull it just keeps boosting. Wastegate isn't doing a very good job (Stupid wastegate) So he said the bike made 280 this morning. Yeah, no wait. I only wanted 220 at 4lbs. (stock motor) So looks like some reconfiguration of the wastegate to get everything settled down. I hate waiting! But I will have a cool bike sooner or later

[smithabusa]

its the porting to the wastegate most of the time being the issue, and unfortunately seems to be a VERY re-occuring issue on SRP kits.

unfortunately this is a great way to melt a motor down if not addressed very quickly

[OB_John Noonan]

Another reason to spend the extra dough and buy a better kit from RCC, you would not have that problem with their kit..Now you might have to spend 500+bucks to sort this out..remove the turbo, pull it apart, possibly cut the waste gate off, re locate it,re weld ..port the housing, reinstall, re dyno to verify...looks like the bike could be there for a few days..

Good thing the fueling was right when it was dynoed because if you had the 4 pound spring in it and it over-boosted because of the turbo kit that would not be the fault of the tuner and could have turned in to an expensive engine repair.


John

[POWERHOUSE]

Good thing the fueling was right when it was dynoed because if you had the 4 pound spring in it and it over-boosted because of the turbo kit that would not be the fault of the tuner and could have turned in to an expensive engine repair.


John

Isn't this guy looking at a boost gauge while he is making these pulls? The minute that gauge climbed past 4 pounds, he should have aborted the pull.
Forget about melting the pistons - those 20 pound valve springs in the stock motor are going to allow the valves to hang open and hit the pistons at that boost level . . .

[killerrudy]

Another reason to spend the extra dough and buy a better kit from RCC, you would not have that problem with their kit.


John

How would the RCC kit be any different? Richard makes the exhaust for both kits? Why would he place the wastegate in a inefficient location on one kit, but not the other? Has anyone else had creep issues?

[OB_John Noonan]

Frank,

I don't know if the bike was fitted with a gauge however regardless the customer is very lucky it was caught at say 10 psi rather than more..

[OB_John Noonan]

How would the RCC kit be any different? Richard makes the exhaust for both kits? Why would he place the wastegate in a inefficient location on one kit, but not the other? Has anyone else had creep issues?

Richard supplies some parts for that kit however I am sure Frank knows what is RCC parts and what isn't..

And yes MANY people have had boost creep with the SRP kits...

[smithabusa]

because richard ports the turbo correctly where srp doesnt. My bike made 3 psi with no creep on lowest setting we mapped for.
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[POWERHOUSE]

its the porting to the wastegate most of the time being the issue, and unfortunately seems to be a VERY re-occuring issue on SRP kits.

unfortunately this is a great way to melt a motor down if not addressed very quickly

RCC does not supply the turbos for SRP kits. Greg hit it on the head with the wastegate porting. Again, attention to detail is key, especially with a power-adder like a turbo. This would NOT happen with an RCC kit!

[BUSA GHOSTRIDER]

Ok, I'm not an expert by any means.......I'll leave this one up to you guys. Did a little investigating since I'm installing this same kit. Could Rudy's problem be compounded by the full exhaust that he added to the bike from RCC? I'm not sure what SRP would say about the full exhaust. I'm not sure the kit was intended to run a full exhaust system. Maybe it shouldn't matter but I'm just spit balling here.

Could he alleviate some of the problems by trying the dump pipes instead of the full exhaust?

[BUSA GHOSTRIDER]

One more question. This comes from my need to disassemble my wastegate upon installation for clocking.

Would the spring in the wastegate be different for someone who installes a full exhaust?

If I called SRP tomorrow and told them I wanted a full exhaust instead of the dump pipes they sent me would they then tell me that I need a different spring in that wastegate?

Just wondering since I happened to see a couple of different spring ratings when I looked into purchasing my own wastegate.