Yep - apparently to some here getting a blowjob in the oval office is worse than unilaterally attacking and occupying a country using fabricated claims.
Bizarre reasoning at it's best - pretty much the norm anymore.
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Bizarre reasoning at it's best - pretty much the norm anymore.
ThunderJohn
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Glad owning an assault weapon makes you the expert on our country and how it is handled.
If you don't think the war on terror is going good, well that is your opinion. I can see I am outnumbered being a patriot and believing my and my fellow brothers efforts are helping the situation in the world.
I am glad you recognize we left Afghanistan too early even though you support making the same mistake in Iraq.
Bill had a successful campaign so he knows what will be required of him as "First Man".
If you don't think the war on terror is going good, well that is your opinion. I can see I am outnumbered being a patriot and believing my and my fellow brothers efforts are helping the situation in the world.
I am glad you recognize we left Afghanistan too early even though you support making the same mistake in Iraq.
Bill had a successful campaign so he knows what will be required of him as "First Man".
Big Bo
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I accept your answer. I am serious, what has Mrs. Clinton done to be President? Run a State? Business? Corporation? What? Besides being the former 1st. Lady? She states what she has voted on. How she will change this and that. What are her qualifications? I would like to know.
I assume you mean besides serving in the Senate for 7 years, she served on the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee; the Environment and Public Works Committee; the Special Committee on Aging; and she is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee. She also has fought relentlessly to repair the terrible health benefit problem in this country, with which I am very informed, as my wife serves on the Missouri Board of Insurance.
if there's anyone still here who thinks that the president...any president..is either good or bad...friend or foe...or in any way dictates or controls the downgraded quality of life middleclassers now endure?..or is all wrapped up in believing that the solving of bipartisan issues would actually reslove a damn thing is sadly mistaken as...
our gov was overtaken decades ago...by a world wide corporate coup'e.
our gov was overtaken decades ago...by a world wide corporate coup'e.
proud dad
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Now there's a true statement
Projekt
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Huh?...
What?...
Profiteering? Me? Somebody has got to get a piece of it. Don't you think? I am certain that if you weren't tied down somewhere you'd come here for the money too.
There will always be plenty of places for me to go. Don't plan on doing this all of my life in any case.
I have heard good things about Australia, hot chics and nice beaches so I do want to visit there someday.
ThunderJohn
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Hey atleast you admit the Profiteering. I respect that. Yeah I am tied down here guess I still play for the love of the game. Even as much as W tries to put more in my pocket don't think it is enough. Not taht it is wrong the help is much needed... Even if we don't agree.
Been to the land down under a few times. There are hot chicks and nice beaches and good beer. I just did not know about Busas.
Can you imagine hitting a croc or a kangaroo on a scoot.
razorshark
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Once someone is elected as President...then they are qualified and should be backed up by the country he/she was hired to manage, regardless of the flaws in his/her past. No one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes...and it is up to others we elected in higher positions of government. Yes, everyone has the right to free speech...but I would rather make a difference as the hand of change rather than the mouth of opposition. Guess I won't earn the right to speak too freely until after the military. It must be nice to be a civilian and challenge everything...wait, isn't that a right also? Dunno...
You may not agree, but the President represents America whether you voted for him/her or not...and discreditting that person, office, symbol is no different than discreditting our nation...
(The view expressed here is for the sole purpose of indivudal thought aloud and shouldn't be taken into any context that require response in such a fashion that would instigate a cyber dropkick to your respected neck! PS: I'm really bored...)
You may not agree, but the President represents America whether you voted for him/her or not...and discreditting that person, office, symbol is no different than discreditting our nation...
(The view expressed here is for the sole purpose of indivudal thought aloud and shouldn't be taken into any context that require response in such a fashion that would instigate a cyber dropkick to your respected neck! PS: I'm really bored...)
very true, the corporations run the place, not the pres. he has a healthy say, but is not all inclusive. personally I believe that we are better with president Bush than if Kerry or Gore would've made it. I do wish "W" would've been more like his dad... but times had changed since then. more crybabies now. for "war time" I think we are doing excellent. more lives are lost due to gangs, domestic violence, and drunk drivers in 1 year on our own soil than the total # lost so far abroad. the media finds it more fitting to criticize our leaders than show what kind of place we've become. never was a fan of slick Willy, even though he did do some good in some areas. imho he screwed our millitary. too early to say who I'm going with... definately not a dem. we need to support the team even if you don't like the coach. just my .02
While i myself am a former marine?.....i always support our troops however..sad to say...reality is that i do not support this war....it's been a freaking disaster...damaging what used to be our pristine foriegn relations and destroying the respect we once had and our standing in the international community...the world used to respect us...now?...they laugh at us......they hate us...6 years of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.....the definition of insanity....water-boarding and head-slapping our way to violating the very human rights we supposedly fight for...a continued insanity that has cost this country dearly as the richest of our rich flee to Dubai taking their currency with them...combine that with our broken borders, vastly diminished U.S. Dollar Value, Failing Mortgage Lenders and our insatiable appetite for pooring hundreds of billions into our ever hollowed out war chest and?..."then"...ask yourself...has this country been properly managed?...was the war handled in a prompt and efficient mannor?...or has our gross national product become the military industrial complex?..now feeding on it's own.
L8R, Bill.
Luvanicebum
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President Bush flew fighter jets...
That's seriously a far cry from being a complete draft dodger.
"I didn't inhale"....What kind of crap is that?
Above all for me that is...Clinton is a degenerate that was seduced by a fat pig intern. Talk about a step down, at least Kennedy got Marilyn Monroe.
As for Osama...he's been hiding out in other countries like Pakistan
and all those other countries that claim to be an "ally" since 9/11.
For the first time since it's creation, Predident Bush has defied the UN and it's pygmie, communist/socialist, back stabbing members and went after these
murderers.
We have unleashed a serious infrastructure nightmare apon Al Quieda.
We've killed thousands of potential kingpins and other key elements in
organizations like Al Quieda. On numerous occasions we have killed 200-300 person mobs (death squads) running the streets murdering whole families with 1 dropped bomb from 30,000 feet. Poof! Gone!
We truely are exterminating these rat bastards in rapid fashion.
Something ol' Billy said he was going to do and didn't. What else did Billy boy do? He downsized the military by about 50%. One of the units I was in, used to decypher thousands of pages of intell and hours of radio communications from anti-government factions like the Red Army faction, Neo-nazi's, Hezbolla and you guessed it....Al Quieda. What do you suppose happened to all that intell from 93-01?
On numerous occasion during Clintons term, top military brass briefed Clinton that they knew where Osama was after the bombing of the USS Cole and that if they acted quickly, they would be able to kill him. But, because Osama was in close proximity to other diplomats from Saudi Arabia, Oman and Yemen, Bill decided to pull the operations and let him go. If there was any 1 man that could have prevented 9-11 it was BILL CLINTON! Hands down.
We have accomplished in Afganistan what the Russians couldn't do in 25 years.
Osama is mearly a representation now. Sure it would be nice to get him personally,
but it's a hell of alot more productive to be dismantling terrorist organizations
on a massive scale.
That's seriously a far cry from being a complete draft dodger.
"I didn't inhale"....What kind of crap is that?
Above all for me that is...Clinton is a degenerate that was seduced by a fat pig intern. Talk about a step down, at least Kennedy got Marilyn Monroe.
As for Osama...he's been hiding out in other countries like Pakistan
and all those other countries that claim to be an "ally" since 9/11.
For the first time since it's creation, Predident Bush has defied the UN and it's pygmie, communist/socialist, back stabbing members and went after these
murderers.
We have unleashed a serious infrastructure nightmare apon Al Quieda.
We've killed thousands of potential kingpins and other key elements in
organizations like Al Quieda. On numerous occasions we have killed 200-300 person mobs (death squads) running the streets murdering whole families with 1 dropped bomb from 30,000 feet. Poof! Gone!
We truely are exterminating these rat bastards in rapid fashion.
Something ol' Billy said he was going to do and didn't. What else did Billy boy do? He downsized the military by about 50%. One of the units I was in, used to decypher thousands of pages of intell and hours of radio communications from anti-government factions like the Red Army faction, Neo-nazi's, Hezbolla and you guessed it....Al Quieda. What do you suppose happened to all that intell from 93-01?
On numerous occasion during Clintons term, top military brass briefed Clinton that they knew where Osama was after the bombing of the USS Cole and that if they acted quickly, they would be able to kill him. But, because Osama was in close proximity to other diplomats from Saudi Arabia, Oman and Yemen, Bill decided to pull the operations and let him go. If there was any 1 man that could have prevented 9-11 it was BILL CLINTON! Hands down.
We have accomplished in Afganistan what the Russians couldn't do in 25 years.
Osama is mearly a representation now. Sure it would be nice to get him personally,
but it's a hell of alot more productive to be dismantling terrorist organizations
on a massive scale.
proud dad
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President Bush flew fighter jets...
That's seriously a far cry from being a complete draft dodger.
"I didn't inhale"....What kind of crap is that?
Above all for me that is...Clinton is a degenerate that was seduced by a fat pig intern. Talk about a step down, at least Kennedy got Marilyn Monroe.
As for Osama...he's been hiding out in other countries like Pakistan
and all those other countries that claim to be an "ally" since 9/11.
For the first time since it's creation, Predident Bush has defied the UN and it's pygmie, communist/socialist, back stabbing members and went after these
murderers.
We have unleashed a serious infrastructure nightmare apon Al Quieda.
We've killed thousands of potential kingpins and other key elements in
organizations like Al Quieda. On numerous occasions we have killed 200-300 person mobs (death squads) running the streets murdering whole families with 1 dropped bomb from 30,000 feet. Poof! Gone!
We truely are exterminating these rat bastards in rapid fashion.
Something ol' Billy said he was going to do and didn't. What else did Billy boy do? He downsized the military by about 50%. One of the units I was in, used to decypher thousands of pages of intell and hours of radio communications from anti-government factions like the Red Army faction, Neo-nazi's, Hezbolla and you guessed it....Al Quieda. What do you suppose happened to all that intell from 93-01?
On numerous occasion during Clintons term, top military brass briefed Clinton that they knew where Osama was after the bombing of the USS Cole and that if they acted quickly, they would be able to kill him. But, because Osama was in close proximity to other diplomats from Saudi Arabia, Oman and Yemen, Bill decided to pull the operations and let him go. If there was any 1 man that could have prevented 9-11 it was BILL CLINTON! Hands down.
We have accomplished in Afganistan what the Russians couldn't do in 25 years.
Osama is mearly a representation now. Sure it would be nice to get him personally,
but it's a hell of alot more productive to be dismantling terrorist organizations
on a massive scale.
I`m sick and tired of all that Hillaryphobic bull shid.
where that vomiting icon again.
where that vomiting icon again.
Russians were in Afghanistan for 12 years, not 25.
What exactly has been accomplished?
Osama is not cought yet only because he is more valuable hiding in a cave.
proud dad
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99 percent of us are guilty of bashing leaders.Including myself.Read this,just received.
'You aint gonna like losing.' Author unknown.
President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to war in Iraq. Bush's mistake came in his belief that this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII. It is not. Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression. The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression, but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew that the people had elected their leaders, so it was the people's duty to back those leaders.
Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together, rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they had voted for them or not or whether the war was going badly or not.
And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war. But that did not matter. The people stuck with the President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to win that war.
Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to help the effort.
Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age or condition trying their best to join the military. Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining.
You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling the President. Interestingly enough in those days there were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and complain to them about our President. Instead, they made upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted.
And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the day off with a Pledge of Allegiance and with prayers for our country and our troops!
Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared complain about what we were doing to catch spies.
A newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it had complained that German or Japanese soldiers were being 'tortured' by being forced to wear women's underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning.
There were a lot of things different back then. We were not subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography, perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did not have legions of crackheads, dope pushers and armed gangs roaming our streets.
No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve.
It is not the same country. It is now a cross between Sodom and Gomorra and the land of Oz. We did unite for a short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.
We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty, to kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been estimated that about one third or over three hundred million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause. Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many potential recruits.
So...we either win it - or lose it - and you ain't gonna like losing.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall.
'You aint gonna like losing.' Author unknown.
President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to war in Iraq. Bush's mistake came in his belief that this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII. It is not. Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression. The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression, but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew that the people had elected their leaders, so it was the people's duty to back those leaders.
Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together, rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they had voted for them or not or whether the war was going badly or not.
And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war. But that did not matter. The people stuck with the President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to win that war.
Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to help the effort.
Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age or condition trying their best to join the military. Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining.
You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling the President. Interestingly enough in those days there were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and complain to them about our President. Instead, they made upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted.
And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the day off with a Pledge of Allegiance and with prayers for our country and our troops!
Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared complain about what we were doing to catch spies.
A newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it had complained that German or Japanese soldiers were being 'tortured' by being forced to wear women's underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning.
There were a lot of things different back then. We were not subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography, perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did not have legions of crackheads, dope pushers and armed gangs roaming our streets.
No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve.
It is not the same country. It is now a cross between Sodom and Gomorra and the land of Oz. We did unite for a short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.
We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty, to kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been estimated that about one third or over three hundred million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause. Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many potential recruits.
So...we either win it - or lose it - and you ain't gonna like losing.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall.
Luvanicebum
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Actually I was exaturating. The Soviets were there for 9 years solid.
As for afghanistan: What has been accomplished?
Besides exterminating a few thousand scumbags?
1. The Taliban no longer rules the land.
2. Peaceful democratic elections with over 95% turnout.
3. The growth of Afghanistan's free media.
3. Womens rights to education, worship and business ownership.
4. The Cold War, the India-Pakistan conflict, the Iranian revolution and the Soviet's invasion of Afghanistan have all pinched off east-west and north-south lines of trade and communication, these divisions are being overcome. Freeing up money for infrastructure growth.
5. Residents no longer pay a hefty 40-43% tax each month. The money was used to further the Talibans's rigid ideological goals, basically...mob money used to buy weapons.
6. Afghanistan is also the most heavily mined country on earth.
Prior to 93, you couldn't walk off a sidewalk. There's a worldwide coallition of minesweep batallions cleaning up that place.
7. I could keep going.........
Progress is measured in inches, not in miles in a place that's been devistated by war for 30 years or more.
The Military is doing it's job and then some. Our job as civilians is to have faith in our leaders as a whole. We're Americans not animals that slaughter thousands and oppress women.
Patience is all it's going to take to erase the threat of another terrorist attack on us.
It's a work in progress.
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