Sport Rider magazine editor/columnist went down...

[SANDFLEA85]

FYI: I didn't post in this thread until I'd read every post in this thread.

Congratulations. You're the first negative experience that I've encountered on Hayabusa.org.

Just to be crystal clear, my original point was that it seems to me that it's reasonable to "test" a street tire on the street at legal speed limits. Especially considering that viratually all new bikes are sold with new street tires and those bikes are, more often than not, ridden off the lot onto public streets.

If you choose to take issue with my opinion, I'll advise you ahead of time that you would be well served to behave in a more diplomatic manner to avoid negative consequences. Rule of thumb, don't say anything here that you wouldn't say to someone in person. Just because we can't see each other doesn't mean we owe each other any less respect.

your opinion was nothing more then sarcasim

and trust me,I would say the same thing to your face if you were standing in front of me.

thanks for "advising" me

 

[fsusux]

Any new news?

 

[DaCol.]

you totally miss the point,

it you do anything and I mean ANYTHING, that is work related,the company you work for has a legal obligation to protect the employee and the publics health and welfare,there is a thing called O.S.H.A... look it up and educate yourself.

a simple permit for 1 hr to close a road (weather you think its possible or not) would have prevented this.

it really is that simple

My point is: If you want to spend the $$$$$ , why close the road, just go to a track with old surfaces and test ALL DAY without any danger of traffic, loose gravel, etc. ? That is, if you have the $$$$ in your budget to start with.

I'am assuming (my first mistake , well maybe not the first) that their tire testing was just riding as a NORMAL person would to some remote eatery and back. Then check the tires for wear and how they felt.

Of course that kid, became part of the tire test in the real world

 

[SANDFLEA85]

My point is: If you want to spend the $$$$$ , why close the road, just go to a track with old surfaces and test ALL DAY without any danger of traffic, loose gravel, etc. ? That is, if you have the $$$$ in your budget to start with.

I'am assuming (my first mistake , well maybe not the first) that their tire testing was just riding as a NORMAL person would to some remote eatery and back. Then check the tires for wear and how they felt.

Of course that kid, became part of the tire test in the real world

I agree with you 100%

that was my first suggestion,"test tires at the track" that would seem the logical thing to do

I was quickly told that "road tires" are tested on the "road"...cant vouch for the authenticity of that statement but since road conditions are anything but consistant I personally am happy with test results on the track

either way,it is a very misfortunate accident for all involved.

 

[Cblast]

Following that logic, all of our "road" tires could perform great on a track, but horribly in a street environment where the condition of the road does change. Seems to me he was doing his job the best way he knew how. Getting police escorts or shutting down a road for a tire test seems unreasonable. How many tires would get tested if the magazine had to pay for that every time? The kid in the cage screwed up, no one else did. Prayers sent.

 

[DaCol.]

Well, that brings up another question ?? Why do you need a POLICE ESCORT to do a tire test ? Your NOT going to break the law are you and if so, I can't see the Police allowing that. Much less your Insurance Company covering you to do something that is against the law and CONDONED by your employer . Talk about "YOUR NOT COVERED" would be an understatement

Me thinks this was just an unfortunate accident that any of us could have

 

[ODB 720]

Hope all turns out well for andrew., and family this type of stuff affects evryone close to you . Best wishes

 

[raydog]

Following that logic, all of our "road" tires could perform great on a track, but horribly in a street environment where the condition of the road does change. Seems to me he was doing his job the best way he knew how. Getting police escorts or shutting down a road for a tire test seems unreasonable. How many tires would get tested if the magazine had to pay for that every time? The kid in the cage screwed up, no one else did. Prayers sent.

Couldn't agree more, Cblast. When I think of the six motorcycle magazines I subscribe to...multiply that by how many motojournalists go on "test rides" on the street reported in each issue...a police escort is absurd! Andrew's skill is top notch so it should be a lesson for all of us to always be prearmed on the street for inferior drivers. Raydog

 

[SANDFLEA85]

Couldn't agree more, Cblast. When I think of the six motorcycle magazines I subscribe to...multiply that by how many motojournalists go on "test rides" on the street reported in each issue...a police escort is absurd! Andrew's skill is top notch so it should be a lesson for all of us to always be prearmed on the street for inferior drivers. Raydog

its not "absurd"

I can only relate to what I do for a living ( Underground High Voltage lead cable splicer in the city of Philadelphia and surrounding counties)and my job requires me to get road closure permits all the time in order to do a job safely,we have police we have flag ppl and we shut down major roads and highways for the sake of safety,cost isnt an issue otherwise we would have employees getting run over everyday,our job is dangerous enough let alone have to worry about cagers out there.

as for the speeding part,no one said he was speeding but if you have the proper permits and safety ppl standing by im sure its doable,just comes down to cost and apparently cost is an issue for the magazine he works for.

it really is a simple task,just some phone calls and paper work,you would think any major magazine who values their riders/employees would look out for them

and btw,Ive worked in NYC and was able to get permits to shut down city streets in downtown manhatten when nesacerry so im sure a road out in cali on a sunday morning could be closed if needed

Im tired of beating a dead horse here,im sure if you have no experience with doing such things you would think its impossible,I know its not,agree with me or not

 

[Lamb busa]

Any new news on his condition?

 

[Tufbusa]

I did receive an update today. It appears there is a sliver of hope but realisticly, Andrew will most likely remain a paraplegic for the remainder of his life. From what I hear, the doctors say it is possble he may get some feeling in his lower extremedies but not very likely.

I also understand there will be a donation site set up soon. I'll post up the address as soon as it's available. Lord knows Andrews medical bills will most likely exceed a small country's GNP.

And you safety nazi's who seem to gloat in the wake of a poor soul's misfortune, PLEASE take it some place else if you MUST argue and bicker over who should or who could have done what and/or it would never have happened.

 

[Warchild]

Certainly not the news we were hoping/praying for..... damnation....

 

[Pardini]

I'm still hoping that he will be able to get back on his feet. Saddens me that this got turned into a blame game thread.

 

[Fonzie]

Affectionately known as "The Geek"

That sux......Just read about the paraplegia part

 

[MelodicMetalGod]

Very sad news indeed. Best wishes for the best possible outcome - holding out hope for the miracle of full recovery/walking. lease:

 

[SANDFLEA85]

thats terrible news

but

If you remember about 9 weeks ago I posted a 21yr old co worker was in an accident (car made U-turn in front of him) Dr's gave hime a 1% chance of survival, thats not a typo...1%. he goes home today!!! only thing misiing is a lung. he was in a drug induced coma for 6 weeks while they performed one surgery after another,finally they stictched him up and weened him off the drugs and said,lets see what happens, what happened was he woke up and 2 weeks after rehab he is going home.

so, you never know,we can only hope for the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Charlesbusa]

Bad news I am hoping for a better recovery.

 

[Charlesbusa]

As for the testing. All the major Mags test street tires on both the street and the track and they never get a permit or police escort because they don't need one. The street test is conducted within the law, just like a ride that you or I take. You cannot effectively judge a tire unless you put it in the exact conditions it is meant to be used for. They don't push the limits during a street test, rather they're judging the tire when you're NOT pushing it. How does it warmup? What does it feel like? How does it steer? How many street riders really push their tires?? Not many. If the mags need a permit to do a street tire test, then all of us need a permit every time we ride.

 

[Liltroy]

As for the testing. All the major Mags test street tires on both the street and the track and they never get a permit or police escort because they don't need one. The street test is conducted within the law, just like a ride that you or I take. You cannot effectively judge a tire unless you put it in the exact conditions it is meant to be used for. They don't push the limits during a street test, rather they're judging the tire when you're NOT pushing it. How does it warmup? What does it feel like? How does it steer? How many street riders really push their tires?? Not many. If the mags need a permit to do a street tire test, then all of us need a permit every time we ride.

+1

Also, lets all hope that he beats the odds.

 

[99'busa]

Well, that brings up another question ?? Why do you need a POLICE ESCORT to do a tire test ? Your NOT going to break the law are you and if so, I can't see the Police allowing that. Much less your Insurance Company covering you to do something that is against the law and CONDONED by your employer . Talk about "YOUR NOT COVERED" would be an understatement

Me thinks this was just an unfortunate accident that any of us could have

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