Random thoughts should be renamed Ghost Town

Yep, driven by idiot politicians.
Most all these coward shootings happen inside by inexperienced shooters, and they use the media's scariest gun ever, the AR15 .223
None of them realizing that you can do so much more damage in close quarters with a semi-auto hunting shotgun.
God forbid, but that's coming after more restrictions are put on assault weapons.
And they'll continue stabbing and running over people.
Guns aren't the problem, people are the problem.
No way will we ever get rid of guns...only make them illegal for people who use them legally.

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As has become the norm for us, I mostly agree. The main difference between our positions is that it's illogical to not make law because of the idea that some people won't obey them. Use a different scenario and apply the same logic. For instance: we shouldn't make a law against stealing because theives are going to do it anyway. All it would do is prevent honest people from being able to take things.
I've stated before, and I believe it wholeheartedly, restricted access to certain weapons is necessary. The question is only who gets to determine which weapons should be restricted. Politicians are inept, weak and easily bought. Why is it that we here on this board can figure things out in a civil manner, but they can't? I'm perfectly fine with a person who holds a FFL having access to all sorts of things the general public doesn't. I happen to think assault weapons should be on that list as well.
 
Until recently,
concealed pistols
were illegal . . .

I said increased lethality .

A sawed off is not more lethal
than a long barrel shotgun ,
in fact it has less
potential for
damage ,
its illegality
is due to size .


That is the correction
I was making .

 
up here
you may not own semi auto shot gun with a barrel od less than 18.5 inches
you may own a pump shot gun that came from the factory with a 14 in barrel
you may not buy I and install a 14 in barrel on a gun that did originally come from the factory with a longer barrel
All shotguns are restricted to a maximum of three rounds regardless of magazine size
up here you may not own a switchblade knife of any size
you may however carry a sword of any length down the street should you so choose
I do not suppose you would get very far with it but you can :)
laws are made by people who wish to appear to be doing something about something
 
Nope. We have enough laws on the books now that are being ignored by the criminals. Recent attempts by local jurisdictions to further restrict are unconstitutional, yet they continue to try in hope that ppl won't fight it, and hoping sooner or later the courts will legislate. You said it Mr. Brown, the problem becomes WHO decides what is acceptable and what is not, because the action of an AR15 is identical to many hunting rifles.

Let the UK and Australia test the theory. Thank goodness we have the 2A, because if we didn't liberals and those who want control would have taken them away from us long ago. There is a reason that they don't want an armed populace, and it ain't crime...
 
I am putting on my flame suit as I watch that video
the operator dos not know how the safety works. "I just figured that our right now"
I hear children playing close enough nearby to be clearly heard. Am I the only one who has a child run up and grab me in a playful manner?
It is things like these that cause tragic accidents
Lack of knowledge.
Poor choice of surroundings
 
As has become the norm for us, I mostly agree. The main difference between our positions is that it's illogical to not make law because of the idea that some people won't obey them. Use a different scenario and apply the same logic. For instance: we shouldn't make a law against stealing because theives are going to do it anyway. All it would do is prevent honest people from being able to take things.
I've stated before, and I believe it wholeheartedly, restricted access to certain weapons is necessary. The question is only who gets to determine which weapons should be restricted. Politicians are inept, weak and easily bought. Why is it that we here on this board can figure things out in a civil manner, but they can't? I'm perfectly fine with a person who holds a FFL having access to all sorts of things the general public doesn't. I happen to think assault weapons should be on that list as well.

We can and they can't because;
We are civil, of good character, have the super power of common sense, and try to live life with fairness and equality, as is represented by the vast majority here.
Politicians, lol, as we know are a majority of self serving bastards. For sale to the highest bidder, and keep the benefits and money coming.
As for assault weapons restrictions, those of us who disagree tend to do so because; it just takes away another right, and opens the door to remove more.
As we who have and do shoot responsibly know that just as much damage can be done with handguns, hunting rifles, and shot guns.
This is in a coward's shooting rampage.
Which of course is not a level playing field, because no one is shooting back.
If one army has handguns and the other has assault rifles, the guys with the handguns are at huge disadvantage, obviously.
But, if you have a handgun and they have nothing.....we know the result.
The AR15 has been overhyped by the media to the point to where it just became the copy cat shooters preffered weapon. No other reason. The facts of it's capabilities really don't matter with an inexperienced shooter.
And an experienced shooter can hit as many targets as they have ammo for, regardless of what type of gun.
Unfortunately, there is no simple solution.
The govt continues to try and put us all in the same box.
I for one of many am tired of this stupid politically correct, you hurt my feelings, I deserve whatever I want mentality of the vast majority today, especially young people, and the mofo's direspecting our military.
They are the real problem.
They are liberals and democrats of DC(not the democrats of yesteryear that used to represent the working class).
There are enough crazys out there to help DC scum(both parties)push agendas.
But the far left are thugs and sissies hell bent on destroying our rights. All for socialism and freebies, and scary guns don't fit in their line of thinking.
Give the govt and inch and they'll take a mile.
 
I'm literally laughing as I read this, again we're agreed on almost everything. Except that I think we have to allow the government inches, we can't live ungoverned. That's our only difference of opinion.
 
Until recently, concealed pistols were illegal.....
I said increased lethality. A sawed off isn't more lethal than a long barrel shotgun, in fact it has less potential for damage, it's illegality is due to size. That's the correction I was making.

A sawed off shotgun IS more lethal than a full length barrel at close range.
The shorter barrel causes a wider spread of the pellets, and the guy who is close that may not have been hit by a longer barrel will be.
And they are illegal also for that reason, not just that it's easily concealed, but that it is more lethal as a short range weapon, as is a pistol in both senses(easily concealed and more accurate at shorter distances).
 
As the pattern spreads, the energy disapates. A sawed off is less lethal at anything other than literally right in front of the barrel. Yes, the spread is wider, but the energy sends the shot wider and is expended more quickly in doing so. In other words, you have a greater likelihood of getting hit, but a smaller likelihood of sustaing equal damage. Also depends on how short a barrel we're talking.
 
I'm literally laughing as I read this, again we're agreed on almost everything. Except that I think we have to allow the government inches, we can't live ungoverned. That's our only difference of opinion.

I completely agree that we can't live ungoverned...just not governed by the majority of who work and run DC...and the people paying them to run it the way the party doaners want it done.
 
As the pattern spreads, the energy disapates. A sawed off is less lethal at anything other than literally right in front of the barrel. Yes, the spread is wider, but the energy sends the shot wider and is expended more quickly in doing so. In other words, you have a greater likelihood of getting hit, but a smaller likelihood of sustaing equal damage. Also depends on how short a barrel we're talking.

I own a Stoger coachgun, 12 gage, double barrel, side by side, 2 triggers, no hammer, left barrel is choked.
It has an 18" barrel, the shortest you can legally own.
At 20', with birdshot, I blew 2, 8" holes in friends 1" plywood target hanger, which was suprising it held that tight.
Back up 10', a the board was peppered with a much larger pattern, pellets still penatrating.
At 50', the spread is wider than I want to find out, and still very lethal.
Point being, indoors, a school, a store, indoors where coward shooters trap people, I'de much rather be shot at with an AR15 than a shotgun, even a full length barrel.
As the shooter doesn't have to be accurate, or even good to hit you.
 
The key is in that barrel length. Cut that down another foot and energy (lethality) is disapated quicker. Regardless, sawed offs are illegal.
 
Until recently, concealed pistols were illegal.....
I said increased lethality. A sawed off isn't more lethal than a long barrel shotgun, in fact it has less potential for damage, it's illegality is due to size. That's the correction I was making.
And the fact it was altered in order to make it more concealable.
 
Yep, driven by idiot politicians.
Most all these coward shootings happen inside by inexperienced shooters, and they use the media's scariest gun ever, the AR15 .223
I always thought the AK series was the weapon most used in the media to identify bad guys....
Everybody and their cousin it seems has an AK variant overseas in the failed states. They aren't accurate but they love to shoot them with their 50 rd magazines.
 
I always thought the AK series was the weapon most used in the media to identify bad guys....
Everybody and their cousin it seems has an AK variant overseas in the failed states. They aren't accurate but they love to shoot them with their 50 rd magazines.

AK platform weapons are popular because you can bury them in a sandpile, bunk them in a mud puddle, or both and they still fire. They are also plentiful and cheap. The AR15/M4 are better weapons IMHO but the AK can withstand more abuse and still work.
 
I always thought the AK series was the weapon most used in the media to identify bad guys....
Everybody and their cousin it seems has an AK variant overseas in the failed states. They aren't accurate but they love to shoot them with their 50 rd magazines.

No, no, no...AK's are the weapons of terrorists, lol...and apparently we can be nice to them and make them feel included in America, as it's not really their fault they're bad people. So the AK doesn't scare the media.
But, give them an AR, and it's on. An American style weapon used by mostly white guys who liked how it shot in the video games they played.
Not realizing the AK rounds have more knock down force and do more damage, and can take a beating and never misfire.
The AR's only advantage is distance accuracy in skilled hands, things of no matter to the majority, if not all shooters(as I don't count the bs vegas inside job in the same boat as the average guy who goes on a rampage).
Personally, Iove how AK's shoot, and find the AR's to be like shooting an expensive .22(which it isn't that far from being).
 
No, no, no...AK's are the weapons of terrorists, lol...and apparently we can be nice to them and make them feel included in America, as it's not really their fault they're bad people. So the AK doesn't scare the media.
But, give them an AR, and it's on. An American style weapon used by mostly white guys who liked how it shot in the video games they played.
Not realizing the AK rounds have more knock down force and do more damage, and can take a beating and never misfire.
The AR's only advantage is distance accuracy in skilled hands, things of no matter to the majority, if not all shooters(as I don't count the bs vegas inside job in the same boat as the average guy who goes on a rampage).
Personally, Iove how AK's shoot, and find the AR's to be like shooting an expensive .22(which it isn't that far from being).

We won each and every fire fight against those who carried AKs, our assault rifles were far superior (variant of the M4 called the C7A2).
https://www.google.ca/search?ei=VeA....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i67j0i131.Lez-m8bZncI

AKs are everywhere as many countries copied them and they were (are) cheap to make and obtain.

The 7.62x39 rounds they use are a short range round only really decent at 100 meters or less. They carry a good punch though but their muzzle velocity is lower (2350 fps)
 
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AK platform weapons are popular because you can bury them in a sandpile, bunk them in a mud puddle, or both and they still fire. They are also plentiful and cheap. The AR15/M4 are better weapons IMHO but the AK can withstand more abuse and still work.
They take abuse because they have a bigger tolerance compared to modern weapons. They can still get jammed up easily enough from the sand, especially Afghanistan sand which is like talcum powder.
 
Laws are a small band aid on a large wound, made to make people think something has been done. Courts are a bigger problem, and people that want to turn criminals loose. Yes I am in favor of the death penalty.
 
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