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Sen. Barack Obama's tax proposals have been getting a more critical look in the press and by watchdog groups as the presidential election draws closer. Those reviews are increasingly finding Obama's tax plan and his claims lacking. Americans for Tax Reform calls Obama's plan and a new tax calculator he has posted on his campaign website, "misleading," and, "a deliberate attempt to deceive voters." And an editorial in the key swing state of Pennsylvania questions the entire premise of Obama's proposal, calling it not tax cuts, but "welfare payments."

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review's editorial focuses on Sen. Obama's claim that he will cut taxes for 95% of Americans, echoing an analysis performed by the Washington Times.

"The 'tax-cut plan' of Democrat presidential nominee Barack Obama is anything but. In fact, it's nothing more than another liberaled-up wealth-transference program that, in the 'old days,' was known as welfare.

Sen. Obama's economics plan centers on his claim that he'll cut taxes for 95 percent of American workers. Left unsaid is that to accomplish this, he'll have to levy a massive tax increase against the other 5 percent who already pay nearly 60 percent of all taxes.

Just as troubling, however, is this little factoid: Even the one-third of all American working families who pay no income taxes now will receive a government check under the Obama plan. And that number could rise to about 44 percent under Obama's proposal."
Americans for Tax Reform also takes issue with Obama's 95% claim, pointing out that Sen. Obama bases that claim on his "refundable tax credits," which the group says, "isn't an income tax cut, it's spending." But the group takes a closer look at the likely impact to small businesses of Sen. Obama's "hidden" tax increases. The group notes that Obama's own tax calculator admits that its results ignore Sen. Obama's proposals for payroll tax increases to fund Social Security.


By its own admission, the tax calculator ignores the unprecedented imposition of Social Security payroll taxes on small business profits exceeding $250,000 (where two-thirds of small business profits exist). This is despite the fact that Obama told Charlie Gibson on October 8th that he wants to keep the Social Security tax rate "the same" for these small business owners. This would result in a top small business tax rate of 54.9 percent-the highest level since the Carter Administration. [emphasis in original]
Higher business taxes lead to fewer jobs as businesses look for ways to control costs in order to pay the higher tax burden.

Sen. Obama has been facing tougher and tougher questions from voters about his plans to raise taxes. While canvassing in Ohio on Monday, Obama was caught on camera telling a voter that his tax plan was designed to, "spread the wealth around." That is classic socialist rhetoric of the kind that American s have steadfastly rejected. The more that Obama's tax proposals are examined, the clearer it becomes. Sen. Obama's plan is to raise taxes, and not just on the well off. He just hasn't found the courage to utter the words himself.

r8
 
All that being said, Bush has been in power for the last 8 years and HOW MANY JOBS have been lost during that time??
 
NO? Say it ain't so? You have to be kidding? A politician saying anything to get elected......................................... NO! Lamb can't believe that a democrat would hide a tax increase behind the words tax cut. That kind of ploy hasn't been used in months. Spread the wealth around, that's a good one!
 
The money has to come from somewhere so why not charge 58 percent tax on the small business owners that employ the largest group of American employees and keep America going. HMMM sounds like a great plan to me. Guess more businesses will be seeking a way to outsource to other countries cut back on employees. Sounds like a solid plan to flush America completely down the drain.
 
And oh, by the way, with my situation right now and probably for the next year or so, I would benefit from Obama's plan more but as a whole I fear for our country under Obama's plan. Time to look beyond our own well being and look at the country as a whole.
 
Fact check: Would Obama hike taxes on small businesses that employ 16 million?
Posted: 06:12 PM ET

Was Sen. McCain right about Sen. Obama and taxes? Get the facts!
The Statement: Speaking during a campaign stop Monday, Oct. 20 in Belton, Missouri, Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain criticized Democratic opponent Sen. Barack Obama's proposals on taxes. "The Obama tax increase would come at the worst possible time for America, and especially for small businesses like the one Joe dreams of owning," McCain said. "The small businesses Senator Obama would tax provide 16 million jobs in America."

Get the facts!


The Facts: McCain's criticism appears primarily aimed at Obama's personal income tax proposals — which he says would give tax cuts or leave taxes the same for individuals who make less than $200,000 or families that earn less than $250,000 — but increase them on people making more. Roughly 85 percent of small businesses are taxed at the owner's personal income tax rate, according to an editorial in the Wall Street Journal. Most of those businesses earn less than $250,000 a year.

The McCain campaign uses figures from a National Federation of Independent Business survey to back up its claim. The survey says 12 percent of business owners who employ between one and nine people earn more than $200,000 a year — as do 27 percent of those who employ 10-19 people and 50 percent of those who employ between 20 and 250 workers. Obama says $200,000 is the lowest income level at which an individual would see a tax increase under his plan.

But in assuming all of those business owners would see an increase, the McCain campaign appears to suppose that all of the business owners making between $200,000 and $250,000 would file their taxes individually, not jointly with a spouse or other family member. And roughly 15 percent of small businesses aren't taxed based on the owner's personal income rate, as the Journal notes. Based on those facts, it's impossible to know exactly how many of those business owners would see a tax hike — but it surely would not be 100 percent.

The McCain campaign uses census figures to estimate how many people work for the businesses it says would be impacted — an effort McCain spokesman Brian Rogers acknowledges is "admittedly a rough estimate." The NFIB says the number of jobs small businesses create is "impossible to calculate," in part because some people only work at small businesses part-time while holding down full time jobs with a bigger employer.

The Verdict: False. McCain uses an overly broad interpretation of the NFIB survey's figures — applying Obama's tax plan to those figures in a way that is highly unlikely to match reality.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...s-on-small-businesses-that-employ-16-million/
 
you think that's f'd up...a guy in the mall where i lived was caught touching his mommy prod in victoria's secret....
 
All that being said, Bush has been in power for the last 8 years and HOW MANY JOBS have been lost during that time??

Not many. In fact a strong increase until oil prices. Problem is they are not high paying jobs.

Employment Situation Summary

I keep hearing this "job" thing. Manufacturing is gone. It's the small business owner keeping us going and foreign trade (which is way lopsided).

I'll ask this question again.

"Who cast the winning vote thus passing NAFTA?" (Hint: Clinton years.)

r8
 
And oh, by the way, with my situation right now and probably for the next year or so, I would benefit from Obama's plan more but as a whole I fear for our country under Obama's plan. Time to look beyond our own well being and look at the country as a whole.[/QUOTE]

Thank you.

r8
 
"Who cast the winning vote thus passing NAFTA?" (Hint: Clinton years.)

Come on Lib's. You should know this.

r8
 
"Who cast the winning vote thus passing NAFTA?" (Hint: Clinton years.)

Come on Lib's. You should know this.

r8

Here's a question, how many jobs have been moved out of country since NAFTA?

Then we let the illegals cross the border and work for nothing, and not pay taxes. And we wonder why we have a problem in this country :whistle:
 
Here's a question, how many jobs have been moved out of country since NAFTA?

Then we let the illegals cross the border and work for nothing, and not pay taxes. And we wonder why we have a problem in this country :whistle:

Your current President left the borders open, and called himself building a fence.

Hell, he let the same people he was trying to keep out, build the dayum fence. WTF??
 
Your current President left the borders open, and called himself building a fence.

Hell, he let the same people he was trying to keep out, build the dayum fence. WTF??

Wrong again.

The border issue has been ignored buy past Administrations (including bush 41) Most notably the Clinton years. (Dems needed the votes)

No politician will touch this including Obama.

r8
 
Come one you just hit the nail on the head, all of the past administrations have screwed the pooch on some improtant issues. The problem hasn't been Red or Blue or Left or Right, It is all of these hand shaking, baby kissing SOB's, pimping the country like a $2 w-h-o-r-e!!

R8, you have been all over thi shid the last couple of days. I can agree with you on some points, but you are mostly anti-Obama.

Too dayum bad that maybe Obama & McCain could not have run together. Maybe between the two of them something good would have gotten done.
 
Come one you just hit the nail on the head, all of the past administrations have screwed the pooch on some improtant issues. The problem hasn't been Red or Blue or Left or Right, It is all of these hand shaking, baby kissing SOB's, pimping the country like a $2 w-h-o-r-e!!

R8, you have been all over thi shid the last couple of days. I can agree with you on some points, but you are mostly anti-Obama.

Too dayum bad that maybe Obama & McCain could not have run together. Maybe between the two of them something good would have gotten done.

I respect your posts as you do mine. :thumbsup:

I could easily vote Democratic given better choices but Obama is not the one for me. No need to explain this again huh?

As stated earlier (somewhere in here) the Dems have gone to far left. It's getting more like San Francisco every year. We can not be brought down to European ideas and thinking.

Also, we can not play Robin Hood anymore and need strong leadership. Honestly, even if McCain wins nothing will get done with a Democratic Congress.

We need a third party. Bad.

r8
 
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Good points. I think if you took either one of these guys away from partisan issues, WE would come out further ahead.

Why is it that partisan issues ALWAYS take priority over fixing the problems we face. The Bailout was "partisan"......................... partisan BS. It was liek putting chewing gum on a leak in a dam. Then we come on here and trade shots back & forth about who got us where we are.

Someone else posted and said we are all to blame, and that shid was right.
 
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