And I thought "Jobs" was the #1 priority

[J'Man]

Go for it, lets see what you got. Sorry, I dont watch fox news or listen to rush much. ???

I didn't say anything about me not finding anything wrong with the current administration, but thanks for putting words into my post.

You don't have to watch fox or listen to Rush to figure out how extreme left the president is, but I'll play along.

Wealth Redistribution-

“At an Ohio campaign appearance, Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, the plumber, told Obama he was worried that the Democrat's tax proposals would prevent him from buying the business that he works for. Obama's reply was that he wanted to "spread the wealth around."

The candidate's far-left reputation was further reinforced after an interview surfaced from a Chicago radio station. In it Obama lamented that the Supreme Court had "never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society." He said it was "one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement" that it lost track "of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change."

Obama states in his own book “Dreams of My Father” the following:

“I choose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students, the foreign students, the Chicanos, the Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock performing pullets.”


Healthcare

See Obamacare or “government run health care”. Please google for sake of time.


Friends, Allies, & Influences


Kwame Kilpatrick- At the Detroit Economic Club on May 7th, 2007, Obama introduced his friend Kwame Kilpatrick in front of a packed house. Obama states, "He is a leader, not just here in Detroit, not just in Michigan, but all across the country people look to him. We know that he is going to be doing astounding things for many years to come. I'm grateful to call him a friend and a colleague". By March, 2008, Kwame Kilpatrick had been charged with 10 felonies including perjury, obstruction of justice and assaulting a public safety officer. He will be sentenced October 28th. In June, Kwame Kilpatrick gave Barack Obama his endorsement as a Democratic Party Superdelegate.

Bill Ayers- During the 1970's, a radical domestic terrorist group called the Weather Underground went on a rampage, bombing the U.S. Capital, the Pentagon and attempting an organized attack on a U.S. District Judge. Their bomb-making factory exploded killing three people while they were preparing to bomb Fort Dix and several police headquarters buildings. Their co-founder, William Ayers, was one of those who constructed their bomb-making apparatus. Mr. Ayer's wife was on the FBI's ten most-wanted list. In 2001, Ayers was asked about the successful bombings and the planned bombings and he replied that the Weather Underground "did not do enough". In 1995, Ayers began a long friendship with a fellow liberal activist named Barack Obama. The first meeting between the two was at Ayers' home. It was the kick-off of Obama's first state senate candidacy. Ayers, the former domestic terrorist, who had bombed some of our country's national treasures, has maintained a long close friendship with Barack Obama. They even served together on the board of directors for the Woods Fund of Chicago from 1999 to 2002. Obama and Ayers appeared jointly on academic panels in 1997 and 2001. Obama agreed to review Ayers' book for the Chicago Tribune, giving it his endorsement.

Tony Rezko- This past June, a jury in Chicago indicted one Antoin 'Tony' Rezko for wire and mail fraud, money laundering, and aiding and abetting bribery. Rezko was one of the first 'money men' who contributed to Barack Obama when he first ran for public office. Rezko continued to provide funding to Obama, raising approximately a quarter million dollars for his campaigns. While Barack Obama was a state senator in Illinois, he wrote letters to city and state officials in a successful attempt to funnel $14 million dollars to his friend Rezko to build senior apartments. The taxpayer money went into Rezko's pocket. Obama purchased his home for $1.4 million, $300,000 below the asking price on the same day that Rezko's wife purchased the vacant lot next to the house. Obama then gave Rezko a premium for the land after its value dropped.

Alex Giannoulias- In 2006, The Chicago Tribune reported that Illinois state treasurer Alex Giannoulias had loaned money to crime figures. Barack Obama endorsed Giannoulias for the state treasurer job the year before. Giannoulias contributed $7000 to Obama's Senatorial campaign.

Marilyn Katz- Marilyn Katz, a former member of the '60's anti-war group SDS, led protestors against the police outside the Democratic Convention in 1968. Protestors threw nails in the street to impede the police and clashed with police on this occasion and others. Katz has said of her activities that she wanted the U.S. to become a socialist paradise. She is a close friend of Barack Obama. Katz is a member of Obama's national finance committee.

ACORN- 'ACORN has been accused of voter fraud in 13 states since 2004 and was convicted of falsifying signatures in a voter registration drive last July, drawing a fine of $25,000 In Washington State.' - Investors Business Daily 9/07. 'ACORN has been implicated in similar schemes in 14 other states - including Ohio, where a worker traded crack cocaine for fraudulent registrations.' - New York Post 7/08. ACORN is the aggressive voter registration organization that employed Barack Obama beginning in 1992. Mr. Obama's job was to train ACORN operatives in techniques to register voters. Obama was also ACORN's lawyer, and as such sued the state of Illinois to force them to adopt 'motor voter' legislation. The new law allowed those with a falsified drivers license to get a legitimate voter registration card. This was designed to benefit the Democratic Party. During Obamas' years on the Board of Directors for the Woods Fund, the fund provided grants totaling $1 million to ACORN. This doesn’t even include the most recent events of fraud discovered by the “pimp & prostitute” videos.

Obama’s mentor- Frank Marshall Davis (A devout communist)

Rashid Khalidi- The Los Angeles Times holds a videotape that reportedly shows Obama raising a toast to former PLO mouthpiece Rashid Khalidi at a party in Chicago. Khalidi was closely connected to unsavory characters in the Middle East, including sponsors of terrorism. (Denials of Khalidi's connections are conclusively debunked at Khalidi of the PLO [Martin Kramer's Sandbox])

Bernardine Dohrn- See also Bill Ayers above.

Van Jones the “Green jobs Czar”- by the president, has a history involving a support of Communism, a Black Nationalist approach demonizing white Americans and a connection to a radical group that places the blame for the events of September 11, 2001 on our national government.


Should we begin continue to the rest of his appointees?

Energy

Cap & Trade anyone?


I guess we could also talk about his
• SEIU appointments

• Out of control spending

• Reinstitution of the Fairness Doctrine

…but hey don’t take my word for it.

The National Journal has rated Obama as the most liberal U.S. senator -- more liberal than Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, an open socialist.

 

[BenWoj42]

[/Healthcare

See Obamacare or “government run health careâ€￾. Please google for sake of time.

Like I assumed. Talking points. Its not a goverment run health care, please actually read what it is before repeating what you see of fox and hear from rush.

Friends, Allies, & Influences


Kwame Kilpatrick- At the Detroit Economic Club on May 7th, 2007, Obama introduced his friend Kwame Kilpatrick in front of a packed house. Obama states, "He is a leader, not just here in Detroit, not just in Michigan, but all across the country people look to him. We know that he is going to be doing astounding things for many years to come. I'm grateful to call him a friend and a colleague". By March, 2008, Kwame Kilpatrick had been charged with 10 felonies including perjury, obstruction of justice and assaulting a public safety officer. He will be sentenced October 28th. In June, Kwame Kilpatrick gave Barack Obama his endorsement as a Democratic Party Superdelegate..

.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I see that far left in this topic. Obama supported a guy who was making back door deals that noone knew about. Yeah....... ???

Bill Ayers- During the 1970's, a radical domestic terrorist group called the Weather Underground went on a rampage, bombing the U.S. Capital, the Pentagon and attempting an organized attack on a U.S. District Judge. Their bomb-making factory exploded killing three people while they were preparing to bomb Fort Dix and several police headquarters buildings. Their co-founder, William Ayers, was one of those who constructed their bomb-making apparatus. Mr. Ayer's wife was on the FBI's ten most-wanted list. In 2001, Ayers was asked about the successful bombings and the planned bombings and he replied that the Weather Underground "did not do enough". In 1995, Ayers began a long friendship with a fellow liberal activist named Barack Obama. The first meeting between the two was at Ayers' home. It was the kick-off of Obama's first state senate candidacy. Ayers, the former domestic terrorist, who had bombed some of our country's national treasures, has maintained a long close friendship with Barack Obama. They even served together on the board of directors for the Woods Fund of Chicago from 1999 to 2002. Obama and Ayers appeared jointly on academic panels in 1997 and 2001. Obama agreed to review Ayers' book for the Chicago Tribune, giving it his endorsement.

All available evidence indicates the two know each other but are not close. They met in 1995, when Obama was asked to head the board of a school reform group, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, that Ayers had helped start. The organization, formed to dispense grants in an effort to improve the city's schools, was hardly radical; its board included a number of well-regarded Chicago establishment types. Also, Obama and Ayers overlapped for two years on the board of another foundation, and Ayers hosted a coffee in his home when Obama was running for the Illinois state Legislature.


Ayers is unrepentant about his past, and Obama doesn't excuse him, calling his acts as a Weatherman "despicable." But in Chicago, Ayers isn't seen as all that controversial. He's now a professor of education and was named a Chicago Citizen of the Year in 1997 for his work on school reform.

Tony Rezko- This past June, a jury in Chicago indicted one Antoin 'Tony' Rezko for wire and mail fraud, money laundering, and aiding and abetting bribery. Rezko was one of the first 'money men' who contributed to Barack Obama when he first ran for public office. Rezko continued to provide funding to Obama, raising approximately a quarter million dollars for his campaigns. While Barack Obama was a state senator in Illinois, he wrote letters to city and state officials in a successful attempt to funnel $14 million dollars to his friend Rezko to build senior apartments. The taxpayer money went into Rezko's pocket. Obama purchased his home for $1.4 million, $300,000 below the asking price on the same day that Rezko's wife purchased the vacant lot next to the house. Obama then gave Rezko a premium for the land after its value dropped.

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Is Mr Obama involved in the case?
Mr Obama is not accused of any wrongdoing. However, money from one of the many alleged kickbacks appears to have ended up as a $10,000 donation to his campaign. There is speculation that Mr Obama could be called as a defence witness at the three-month trial. Mr Obama has donated to charity $150,000 in political contributions linked to Mr Rezko.
Q&A: Barack Obama and Tony Rezko - Times Online

ACORN- 'ACORN has been accused of voter fraud in 13 states since 2004 and was convicted of falsifying signatures in a voter registration drive last July, drawing a fine of $25,000 In Washington State.' - Investors Business Daily 9/07. 'ACORN has been implicated in similar schemes in 14 other states - including Ohio, where a worker traded crack cocaine for fraudulent registrations.' - New York Post 7/08. ACORN is the aggressive voter registration organization that employed Barack Obama beginning in 1992. Mr. Obama's job was to train ACORN operatives in techniques to register voters. Obama was also ACORN's lawyer, and as such sued the state of Illinois to force them to adopt 'motor voter' legislation. The new law allowed those with a falsified drivers license to get a legitimate voter registration card. This was designed to benefit the Democratic Party. During Obamas' years on the Board of Directors for the Woods Fund, the fund provided grants totaling $1 million to ACORN. This doesn’t even include the most recent events of fraud discovered by the “pimp & prostituteâ€￾ videos..

Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. What a McCain-Palin Web ad calls "voter fraud" is actually voter registration fraud. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes.



These are nice talking points that have been debunked a while ago. I would suggest reading up on the issues so you dont keep believing these are facts.

The National Journal has rated Obama as the most liberal U.S. senator -- more liberal than Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, an open socialist...

I'll give you a guess who they said was the most liberal before obama. Thats right, it was John Kerry. Funny how the most liberal person is always the Democrat running at the time.

SEIU appointments
...

Whats your argument?

Reinstitution of the Fairness Doctrine
...

argument?

Out of control spending
...

Are you talking about the spending that he's been doing to try and get this country out of the slump its been in since your boy bush? Can't read your mind on what your actual argument is.

Well you have a good night now, and hopefully you'll do a little more research before posting. Cheers

 

[Bosshound]

Found this pick in my Archives..................

 

[afterhours]

here we go again.....

classic example of what i am talking about. one side wants to excuse everything that has happened in the last 10 years because it was GW's fault.....and the other side can't get past campaign propaganda.

of the current congress, 48 out of 100 Senators have been in office longer than ten years, this includes Robert Byrd, Sen. from W. Virginia and former clan member. he has been in office for 51 years..

there are 9 that are over 80 years old.....

people get caught up in this GW Bush..vs. Obama crap, and ignore the fact that 40% of the US senate is over 70 years old. there is a reason why people are forced to retire. they get old and cannot do the job.

some of the most powerful men in the country are over 80 years old, and you probably don't even know who they are.

i would not let my 80 year old grandfather manage his own checking account, yet we are ltting them run the country.

do you really want 70, 80 and 90 year olds making laws about privacy and the internet?

really?

 

[teamorion22]

here we go again.....

classic example of what i am talking about. one side wants to excuse everything that has happened in the last 10 years because it was GW's fault.....and the other side can't get past campaign propaganda.

of the current congress, 48 out of 100 Senators have been in office longer than ten years, this includes Robert Byrd, Sen. from W. Virginia and former clan member. he has been in office for 51 years..

there are 9 that are over 80 years old.....

people get caught up in this GW Bush..vs. Obama crap, and ignore the fact that 40% of the US senate is over 70 years old. there is a reason why people are forced to retire. they get old and cannot do the job.

some of the most powerful men in the country are over 80 years old, and you probably don't even know who they are.

i would not let my 80 year old grandfather manage his own checking account, yet we are ltting them run the country.

do you really want 70, 80 and 90 year olds making laws about privacy and the internet?

really?

i understand and somewhat agree but this is a touchy issue. there are lots of 80 year olds that make great decisions

 

[afterhours]

i understand and somewhat agree but this is a touchy issue. there are lots of 80 year olds that make great decisions

i would say there are some, not lots of competant 80+ year olds...but age really is not what concerns me.

my biggest problem is that america was designed to not have a "ruling class", yet we hae allowed US Senators to hold office for 20, 30 and even 50 years.

secondarily, i also have a problem with giving Congress a "free ride". we get into this right vs. left argument, even Clinton vs. Bush vs. Obama...and try to compare it to the "reagan" years....

yet, even a great president can only hold office for 8 years, yet half the Senators in this Congress have been on the job longer than 15 years. Presidents come and go, but Congress stays the same.

the president has little power, its congress that makes the changes. the president does not make laws, congress does....

 

[teamorion22]

presidental power is dabatable and has evolved and changed over time.

i agree with what you are saying about congress. it is easier for the press and public to point fingers and blame one person (president) than congress because there are so many and so many different issues and opinons

i am of the opinion that the framers of our consititution did a pretty good job and they didnt put a term limit on congress. but if we amended the const for presidental term limits i suppose we could do the same for congress. I would vote for it. Other wise it is up to us who votes for congress to elect someone new. Maybe that will begin to happen more frequently. Clearly it should

 

[J'Man]

Actually, not that there is anything wrong with talking points, but the info I posted came from multiple sites (and I also don't listen to Rush by the way). I'm know sure which is more laughable the fact that you don't believe this administration is far left given his friends and his agenda or your so called "talking points" straight out of moveon.org or whitehouse.gov attempting to "debunk" the above comments.

The fact that it causes you no concern on the people this president has, and continues, to surround himself with is very enlighting to say the least. It's also interesting how you selectively skip over things like the whole "spread the wealth" section, but hey I guess it's hard for even the left to "debunk" things that were caught on camera being said by the president himself.

As I stated earlier, I didn't expect your opinion to change much and if I thought it would add any value I would continue to argue each of your so called "debunking points", however at the end of day you're going to believe what you choose to believe (in the same manner that I'll believe what I'll believe). You obviously believe in this administration and that's great, but as for me I'm not buying it. In the end all of us have to look at the info that's available from all media channels and draw our own conclusions. Mine just happens to be different from yours, and by the looks of his poll numbers many have joined in my opinion.

As I've said before, I'm very disappointed in both parties. I think they're all crooks (dems & republicans) that give in to special interest. We need a good middle of the road moderate that will actually represent the people and not sell their souls to the Washington lobbyists which Obama is just as guilty of as was Bush.

 

[J'Man]

here we go again.....

classic example of what i am talking about. one side wants to excuse everything that has happened in the last 10 years because it was GW's fault.....and the other side can't get past campaign propaganda.

of the current congress, 48 out of 100 Senators have been in office longer than ten years, this includes Robert Byrd, Sen. from W. Virginia and former clan member. he has been in office for 51 years..

there are 9 that are over 80 years old.....

people get caught up in this GW Bush..vs. Obama crap, and ignore the fact that 40% of the US senate is over 70 years old. there is a reason why people are forced to retire. they get old and cannot do the job.

some of the most powerful men in the country are over 80 years old, and you probably don't even know who they are.

i would not let my 80 year old grandfather manage his own checking account, yet we are ltting them run the country.

do you really want 70, 80 and 90 year olds making laws about privacy and the internet?

really?

I have to admit I agree with you to a certain degree (some 70 yr olds may still be pretty sharp), but definitely see it as another point reflecting the "career" politicians. Interesting point. Wow, I think I just agreed with afterhours on something. I think the world may be about to end.

 

[teamorion22]

people often make the mistake of referring to the president as a 'representative of the people' if you are talking what other countries think about the united states then yes he represents the people but no more than elvis or michael jordan

the only branch of gov't that is supposed to represent the interest of the people that elect them is congress. as per the constitution.

this is one of the many mistakes that have been made that is letting congress off the hook (as afterhours pointed out) and blaming bush and or obama just because it is easier which is lazy and somewhat ignorant.

congress should be blamed for many of the mistakes that our gov't made during the bush admin and congress is responsible for checkin the obama admin. I am not tryin to side with anyone i am just engaging in this topics. I enjoy talking about and listening and reading about policitics. I want it to get better and I think this is one of the things we can do is toss around ideas and talk about this stuff instead of ignoring. and vote of course

 

[J'Man]

people often make the mistake of referring to the president as a 'representative of the people' if you are talking what other countries think about the united states then yes he represents the people but no more than elvis or michael jordan

the only branch of gov't that is supposed to represent the interest of the people that elect them is congress. as per the constitution.

this is one of the many mistakes that have been made that is letting congress off the hook (as afterhours pointed out) and blaming bush and or obama just because it is easier which is lazy and somewhat ignorant.

congress should be blamed for many of the mistakes that our gov't made during the bush admin and congress is responsible for checkin the obama admin. I am not tryin to side with anyone i am just engaging in this topics. I enjoy talking about and listening and reading about policitics. I want it to get better and I think this is one of the things we can do is toss around ideas and talk about this stuff instead of ignoring. and vote of course

I agree congress should also be blamed, but it shouldn't remove responsibility from the president. To me the president sets the tone and the pace and ultimately has the authority to veto whatever he/she feels is not representative of the people. But then again, maybe I expect too much from our presidents.

 

[det45]

Talk to me after the elections this Nov my friend and will see who is right.

its thinking like that...that will keep the Republican Party on the sidelines.

while bible thumping, fire and brimstone conservative rhetoric may work with some. It will alienate the center....and both parties need the center.

 

[det45]

We can debate this all day long but I sum it up with this; WATCH WHAT HAPPENS THIS NOVEMBER!

 

[afterhours]

We can debate this all day long but I sum it up with this; WATCH WHAT HAPPENS THIS NOVEMBER!

the country is speaking right now, and I hope the RNC is listening. the country does not want radical conservatism, they want a functioning government.


there will be some change in Nov., but its not going to be radical conservatives that win seats from democrats. it will be moderates, it will be fiscal conservatives that can step away from "hot topics" like abortion and religion.

just like the radical liberal agenda, the radical conservative agenda also alienates people.

 

[det45]

What is a radical conservative in your opinion? This should be interesting because I'm a consevative and I am interested in what you think? I'll respond after your opinion.......det45

the country is speaking right now, and I hope the RNC is listening. the country does not want radical conservatism, they want a functioning government.


there will be some change in Nov., but its not going to be radical conservatives that win seats from democrats. it will be moderates, it will be fiscal conservatives that can step away from "hot topics" like abortion and religion.

just like the radical liberal agenda, the radical conservative agenda also alienates people.

 

[afterhours]

seriously? not trying to argue and/or insult anyone....we all have opinions.

radical conservative: Bible thumping, pro-god/christianity.....and anti abortion.


while i understand people have very emotional view points on these subjects, a person gets the term radical when they are so emotional about any specific item that they make choices based on that and nothing else. At times they will ignore better qualified people because of religious views, or thier stance on abortion.

I am a conservative, and registered republican. I want a qualified person that will cut spending, shrink the Gov. , and its role/intrusion into my life.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Well one simple comment.
Like them we all sit here and complain and talk and hypothesize.

What and when are we gonna actually do something about it ?
Vote them out of office..what a joke....


Stiffer measures have been called for long ago...



The populace of Cali votes for and passes a CWP law.
The governor refuses to sign it into law in the interest of the people ? Exact same thing in NJ ?

People vote for something, the masses have spoken and then one lobbyist or one governor makes diff decision again and always in the interest of the people. Goes against what they were elected to do.

They are there to do our bidding and nobody elses, period.
Any elected official who thinks diff should be tarred and feathered !

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

I say come November everyone write on the ballots...


YOU'RE FIRED.....GET OUT..

and we start over 100%

 

[afterhours]

Well one simple comment.
Like them we all sit here and complain and talk and hypothesize.

What and when are we gonna actually do something about it ?
Vote them out of office..what a joke....


Stiffer measures have been called for long ago...



The populace of Cali votes for and passes a CWP law.
The governor refuses to sign it into law in the interest of the people ? Exact same thing in NJ ?

People vote for something, the masses have spoken and then one lobbyist or one governor makes diff decision again and always in the interest of the people. Goes against what they were elected to do.

They are there to do our bidding and nobody elses, period.
Any elected official who thinks diff should be tarred and feathered !

we recalled a gov. a couple years ago...

the problem is us, the people. most are too lazy to care. we watch a commercial and let it sway our opinions without fact checking anything.

2 years ago the teacher union spent $60 million dollars to campaign against a bill that stated:

"no union can use union dues to finance or contribute to political campaign or a candidate without allowing the member to vote on it"

you couldn't turn on the tv without seeing a union paid for commercial against it....$60 million dollars worth of commercials.

 

[det45]

Well my friend heres my response to your definition of a radical conservative.

1.) I am a Christian with my Bible to pass on Gods word as we all are commanded to do.
2.) Definitly Pro-God!
3.) Totally against murdering babys for any reason!

Now your telling me that I am a radical conservative? Really? I've served my country (U.S. Airforce Retired) for twenty years. I currently work for our government and maintain a top secret clearance. I have a perfect record in society, not even a parking ticket. With that all being said according to your definition I'm a radical conservative. I take exception to your definition and I can tell you most resonable Americans are and feel the same way I do. I also feel that true Americans believe in the things I listed above. Our country was founded on Christian principles by our Christian founding fathers so if I have to be called radical conservative in order to stop the maddness in Washington today then call me a radical conservative. Pay back is coming soon for all of the crooks in Washington, Republican and Liberals both! Rest assured I will be first in line to vote them out this November because I care for my country, I guess thats the radical conservative I turned out to be.........det45

seriously? not trying to argue and/or insult anyone....we all have opinions.

radical conservative: Bible thumping, pro-god/christianity.....and anti abortion.


while i understand people have very emotional view points on these subjects, a person gets the term radical when they are so emotional about any specific item that they make choices based on that and nothing else. At times they will ignore better qualified people because of religious views, or thier stance on abortion.

I am a conservative, and registered republican. I want a qualified person that will cut spending, shrink the Gov. , and its role/intrusion into my life.