Discussion 1. Is this appropriate?
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The 1st two pic were in Magazine mode, beauté, joaillerie, défilés, culture, sorties, votre magazine mode Vogue.fr
Its all about the PARENTS !!!!! Sorry folks but if you raise your kids with Good Morals and live by those Principles and Stop giving Excuses for your BS......... Your Kids WILL FOLLOW !!!
Quoted this thinking this is a start for an answer to the second part of discussion.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts explanation Cap.
I`m not about more Government....
Perhaps give the parents a public flogging as mentioned earlier...now as a parent got me thinking could I have done better, and censored my daughter the other night when she was watching the toddler models???
What would I have told her?
I dont want kids to think that *ex is a bad thing...but I dont want them to think about it at all for right now...more importantly, I really want my kids to feel like they can talk to me about THINGS...whatever it may be.
In regards to other post prior, I think that(I`m guessing) in Brookes case, that she is more of an exception rather than the norm, in regards to her success..my didnt she age well? shes a lil older than me.
There is no need for government in cases like this. It is time for the people to take responsibility for something. Besides our legislators have shown that the only time morals plays a part is at election times or when the moment calls for it in front of a camera.
Why are we so afraid of offending someone? From a religious point of view Jesus wasn't. The problem there is a lot of people only want to be moral or religious when it is convenient for them. Why else in a country where 90+% claim to believe in God are they standing by doing nothing as their God is being taken out of everything. The only ones making any noise are the ones against. Come Sunday morning the churches are full of people that as soon as they leave return to their chosen depravity. A lot of times it is only about appearances not morals or religion.
The publishers that represent those using these advertisements are only concerned about making money. They could care less that it is being done at the cost of morality. Morals again has nothing to do with it. It is business to them. The only way to change business is in their bottom line.
The moral depravity of the human animal can be shocking and can be found in some of the most unexpected places. If anyone wants to change the moral compass of this country they had best get over the fear of offending. Stand proud and shout your beliefs! That is what those that are against you are doing.
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You know Doug, this is the part that gets tough. I think most Americans are so sick of having to legislate for the stupid. I'm not going to coddle here (I never do, right LOL), but common sense seems to be gone now, wouldn't most agree. We live in a world where we're seeing laws in the works to force parents to report their kids missing. There's something fundamentally wrong with the need for a law like that, wouldn't most agree?
The same applies here. There's something fundamentally wrong with NEEDING laws to remind adults we shouldn't put children in such positions for "art", but the sad truth is that we have an entire underground here in America, and throughout the world, that have abused the laws and found the loopholes to get away with as much as they can at the cost of innocent children. We live in a world where publishing companies actually take on publishing books from pedophiles, very blatant "how-to's" on doing what IS illegal, yet the step-by-step isn't? Free speech doesn't mean you should say whatever you want. Freedom to do what you want does not mean you do whatever you want. It means we live in a nation free of so many laws to dictate to the lowest common denominator, yet we are slowly becoming what we never thought we'd have to; we ARE having to legislate to that lowest common denominator now, to those that no longer have or use common sense, to the deviants that push the limits, that live in the loopholes. It's pathetic, but to protect children, completely necessary.
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I dont think legislating anything will fix this unfortunately. Our country in addition to being entirely too PC seems to have taken a hammer to their give a damn button. Too many people's moral compasses (entirely too many of which have titles like Senator or Congressperson) are too f'd up to find the parking lot at walmart much less make good, decent decisions
We have allowed the media, government and money mongers to rule and change the fabric of America for too long. *IF* there was to be a push to right this ship, my guess is that it would take 3 generations or more before we see any significant change.
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Very poor taste. Although I might show my age its really hard to tell there age any more. Still very poor taste and the parents should not let there children do this.
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Are we that pathetic as a bunch of sheep to have a group of old lying fools tell us what's best as parents and to make the right choices for our children. ???
Stop the bus and let me and my family off!
Stop the bus and let me and my family off!
Just gonna have to speak up when it's wrong, and keep speaking up. The left does it to further their causes, whereas most conservatives like to not make big waves and keep to themselves; either that or we're too busy working to pay for the 50+% that aren't...does the French Vogue referred to as the originator of these pics have a blog? Maybe we should tell them how we feel...
i guess i look at this a little differently than most on here and there could be several reasons for that...first, i'm hearing a bunch of dads saying that they wouldn't let their daughter do that...i don't have a daughter so i don't have that point of view to mess with my logic
next, i look back less than 100 years and girls were getting married at 14 and even younger in this country and sometimes as young as the girl in the picture in other countries...it is a very recent phenomena that we are not adults until the age of 18 and/or 21
i don't have a problem with pics such as these as long as they aren't nude and there aren't sexual acts being portrayed...beauty pageants have been going on for years before they ever went on tv and i can see much more than what these pics showed any day of the week at the beach or even in my local mall
next, i look back less than 100 years and girls were getting married at 14 and even younger in this country and sometimes as young as the girl in the picture in other countries...it is a very recent phenomena that we are not adults until the age of 18 and/or 21
i don't have a problem with pics such as these as long as they aren't nude and there aren't sexual acts being portrayed...beauty pageants have been going on for years before they ever went on tv and i can see much more than what these pics showed any day of the week at the beach or even in my local mall
What Semi said , gave me the thought.. If it was my daughter there's noway she'd be dressed like that . BUT yet I have know some kids 10-12 years old that are actually more of an adult than most adults I know.. I mean I have a friend who's son when he was 12 could frame and wire / plumb homes better than 99% of the adults I knew. & he acted like an adult ( due to his upbringing) ..
The problem today is adults in society have the brain of a 3 year old and they breed ( and vote) with others of their same mentality which created an even dumber off-spring. Society IMO has become stupid and sheepish. I could say more that would be another topic..
The problem today is adults in society have the brain of a 3 year old and they breed ( and vote) with others of their same mentality which created an even dumber off-spring. Society IMO has become stupid and sheepish. I could say more that would be another topic..
I hate that you are dissapointed in my decision to post this but if we don't have these discussions, who will? We are known for being mature adults that have open conversations and are able to deal with conflict. Since we all know the forum is made up of some really intelligent people, why not take advantage of it and see what we can do to find solutions to some of our problems. No doubt that he whole situation is unbelievable that we even have to have this discussion but we do. Our country is falling apart at the seams, things like this are why..... I am trying to use a medium that I have at my disposal to talk and discuss with my fellow Americans from all over the country... I think we seem to have come to a consensus on this topic from a very broad demographic perspective.... Now, who will speak up about it next time they see something locally or even maybe when a friend or neighbor ask what they think?
Semi, I have one question for ya when it comes to your comment...
1. What was the education and life expectancy of the couples that were married when they were 14? Just because it occurred doesn't make it right. I think that as our country has evolved we not only made poor decisions but we have made some good ones as well. We now know that at the age of 18 our minds and bodies are at a more mature state, would you not agree?
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first, the couples weren't 14- the woman was usually in her early to mid-teens and the man was generally in his late teens to mid-twenties...this allowed the man to be financially settled (have a small farm and a few head of livestock) and be able to provide for his family
the life expectancy of everyone has gone up during the past 100 years...this is due to better health care and less manual labor on a whole, not because people don't get married as early...education levels? not even comparable! my grandfathers who only made it through the 8th grade had more sense and education than most high school graduates today...most of today's idiots can't even make change without a computer telling them how much is due
i do agree that we are more mature at 18 on a whole but that has nothing to do with these pictures, beauty pageants, etc. to me...i realize i lived in MS as a teenager where this is an accepted way of life for many young girls and have seen plenty of them go on to live very productive, moral lives while raising their children in the same way...just take a look at some of my ex-girlfriends on Facebook, there are several who are very into the southern pageant circles
on the other hand, i have seen some very messed up girls who were not helped at all by being pushed into competitions that they just did not have the looks, talent, or body to be successful...eating disorders, bouts with depression, etc. can all be a result of poor self image which can be intesified by constant scrutiny on the slightest imperfection
these girls don't have it any worse than poor fat, clumsy Johnny whose dad is bound and determined that his son is going to be an NFL player...most of the problems these kids experience are due to parents who constantly push them to excel at something they don't want to do and are not capable of...let kids be kids and if they want to go on the pageant circle or play sports, let them...however, it is the parent's job to keep them grounded and focused on what is really important in life...just my $.02
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