STUPID STUPID STUPID

[Red05]

One they are no longer doing and providing whatever task/support/service they were doing so who loses out?

Two the wage they were given went back into the economy....I highly doubt these people were investing in off-shore accounts so their money was being spent right in America...there will be a big fall out if over 100k public servants no longer put money into the economy....the government might save their wage but that money will never see the light of day again....

Excellent point of view

[michael parris heuberger]

I might look at things in strange way but I see all these public servants being fired as a two fold issue....

One they are no longer doing and providing whatever task/support/service they were doing so who loses out?

Two the wage they were given went back into the economy....I highly doubt these people were investing in off-shore accounts so their money was being spent right in America...there will be a big fall out if over 100k public servants no longer put money into the economy....the government might save their wage but that money will never see the light of day again....

I still question all the findings of Doge......I'm sure some are valid but I'd wager lots aren't....they would have to present a bit of "shocking" data in order to off-set how unpopular Doge is....

Hi. How long can you go on spending lets say $1,000.00 a month more than ypu receive? Every 100 fays the US gors a other trillon in in the hole. I also think that our Govenor should find a way to have all the future great Americans killers rapest sent to MA. So she can let them all live in New Bedford.

[Bumblebee]

Hi. How long can you go on spending lets say $1,000.00 a month more than ypu receive? Every 100 fays the US gors a other trillon in in the hole. I also think that our Govenor should find a way to have all the future great Americans killers rapest sent to MA. So she can let them all live in New Bedford.

I'm not a n economist....are you?

Are you actually privy to this data or is this what you've heard?

You are seasoned enough to only believe what you can tangibly see or lay your hands on.....

Do you think your time in Vietnam was wasted or are you proud of your time there.....? There are lots of people that would argue that you being in Vietnam was a colossal waste of taxpayer money......

Why do I add this? Because it all equates to the same thing...one person isn't happy with how money is being spent while someone else is.......

Who's right and who's wrong and who are we to decide this?

[michael parris heuberger]

I'm not a n economist....are you?

Are you actually privy to this data or is this what you've heard?

You are seasoned enough to only believe what you can tangibly see or lay your hands on.....

Do you think your time in Vietnam was wasted or are you proud of your time there.....? There are lots of people that would argue that you being in Vietnam was a colossal waste of taxpayer money......

Why do I add this? Because it all equates to the same thing...one person isn't happy with how money is being spent while someone else is.......

Who's right and who's wrong and who are we to decide this?

Hi. Yes Sen Kenned said it and had the thing layed out for all to see.

[Red05]

How long can you go on spending lets say $1,000.00 a month more than ypu receive?

In months your savings divided by 1000. That's sound thinking. What's not sound is equating immigrants with murdering and raping. Stats say U.S. citizens are more prone.

[michael parris heuberger]

In months your savings divided by 1000. That's sound thinking. What's not sound is equating immigrants with murdering and raping. Stats say U.S. citizens are more prone.

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In months your savings divided by 1000. That's sound thinking. What's not sound is equating immigrants with murdering and raping. Stats say U.S. citizens are more prone.

Hi. For many years people lets say on the left have been saying 1 death by a gun is to many. We should get rid of all guns.I am saying 1 death ny an illegal immigrant is to many. We should get rid of all illegals. Any person who want to come here the correct way can come

[Bumblebee]

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Hi. For many years people lets say on the left have been saying 1 death by a gun is to many. We should get rid of all guns.I am saying 1 death ny an illegal immigrant is to many. We should get rid of all illegals. Any person who want to come here the correct way can come

I agree 1 death by a gun is 1 death too many.......

Guns are just a percentage of the issue, access to them is another.....look at how many shootings have occurred with a weapon taken by a younger person from their home because they had free access to it.

I also agree that illegal immigrants should have done it the right way as it takes a lot of effort and determination for a person to immigrate through the system and it's a slap in their face when someone jumps the fence (so to speak) and enjoy the life others so desperately want....

As for deaths by the hands of illegal immigrants, I agree with @Red05 and say that people are people and killing is not just an illegal immigrant problem.

I also believe your southern border needed to be beefed up a hundred of years ago and should have been maintained....a country is only as strong as it's borders.....

[michael parris heuberger]

I agree 1 death by a gun is 1 death too many.......

Guns are just a percentage of the issue, access to them is another.....look at how many shootings have occurred with a weapon taken by a younger person from their home because they had free access to it.

I also agree that illegal immigrants should have done it the right way as it takes a lot of effort and determination for a person to immigrate through the system and it's a slap in their face when someone jumps the fence (so to speak) and enjoy the life others so desperately want....

As for deaths by the hands of illegal immigrants, I agree with @Red05 and say that people are people and killing is not just an illegal immigrant problem.

I also believe your southern border needed to be beefed up a hundred of years ago and should have been maintained....a country is only as strong as it's borders.....

Hi. Well than I must agree. It is then OK for illegals to kill just because Americans kill too!

[Bumblebee]

Hi. Well than I must agree. It is then OK for illegals to kill just because Americans kill too!

People are people....illegal or legal people killing isn't right....

The facts are that you (and lots of other countries) have illegal immigrants on your soil.....and they are acting as if they are citizens and are doing al the same things as citizens...sadly committing murder is one of those things.....they are also doing other good things but that isn't the narrative.

Not long ago an undocumented immigrant saved a small child from a fire...nobody saw that headline as it was just a small blurb.......

Lots and lots of illegal immigrants are working the fields for farmers....they shouldn't be but they are....when they are all removed, who are going to work these fields? People have food on their tables due to these illegal immigrants doing jobs nobody else wants to do....

To that, I say each individual should be vetted and if they are working and have never been in any legal trouble, they should be fast-tracked...they are already there and working......removing them isn't going to result in any gains other than bragging rights by the government to say "we got rid of X amount of illegals."

[Red05]

Hi. Well than I must agree. It is then OK for illegals to kill just because Americans kill too!

Your sarcasm crosses the line at times. There are people here with loved ones that are victims. That strong need you feel to express yourself can be damaging if you’re not careful.

[ottafish]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but from all the reports I’ve read, the fatalities caused by both illegal and legal immigrants is no significantly higher or even less than US born citizens. Same for incarceration.

[Zerks]

I'm not a n economist....are you?

Are you actually privy to this data or is this what you've heard?

You are seasoned enough to only believe what you can tangibly see or lay your hands on.....

Do you think your time in Vietnam was wasted or are you proud of your time there.....? There are lots of people that would argue that you being in Vietnam was a colossal waste of taxpayer money......

Why do I add this? Because it all equates to the same thing...one person isn't happy with how money is being spent while someone else is.......

Who's right and who's wrong and who are we to decide this?

The VC war was a money making operation that wasted the lives of tens of thousands of American military personnel. The rules of engagement were often times counter productive... like fighting with one hand tied behind your back. How many times are we going to retake that hill? A new word was added around that time... fragging.

How come they can shoot at us but we can't shoot at them when they retreat behind some make believe line? How many Chinese military men fortified the North VC? What really happened in the Gulf of Tonkin? What did secretary McNamera tell LBJ?

Through FOIA some of these questions and others have been answered... but nobody wants to edit the story line from the past with new information that changes the story. That is when we discover who the liars were.

It has often been said that those that control the future control the past, however, sometimes those controllers just don't give a wooden nickel to the revised storyline because the money has already been made.. and that is all they really cared about to begin with. JFK was simply in the way of the MIC... so... they found some people to eliminate that obstacle.

In recent years the bills that funded the latest military overseas expenditures happened at warp speed... why is that?

If you know where to look for the financial data you might find it. If you do, how reliable is it? Lots of things get swept under the rug like black budget projects that we will only learn about when it leaks out, if it ever does.

So, did the VC war accomplish its goals? I would say it did. Eventually the sentiment of the American public was too obvious to ignore any longer and the Secretary of State Henry Kissinger's opinion of military men had been realized.

So, was the declaration of the VC war the right thing to do? Did North Vietnam pose a threat to America? Was it worth 58,000 dead soldiers and over 200,000 wounded?

Who decides this? It isn't the people paying the price for it.

[Bumblebee]

The VC war was a money making operation that wasted the lives of tens of thousands of American military personnel. The rules of engagement were often times counter productive... like fighting with one hand tied behind your back. How many times are we going to retake that hill? A new word was added around that time... fragging.

How come they can shoot at us but we can't shoot at them when they retreat behind some make believe line? How many Chinese military men fortified the North VC? What really happened in the Gulf of Tonkin? What did secretary McNamera tell LBJ?

Through FOIA some of these questions and others have been answered... but nobody wants to edit the story line from the past with new information that changes the story. That is when we discover who the liars were.

It has often been said that those that control the future control the past, however, sometimes those controllers just don't give a wooden nickel to the revised storyline because the money has already been made.. and that is all they really cared about to begin with. JFK was simply in the way of the MIC... so... they found some people to eliminate that obstacle.

In recent years the bills that funded the latest military overseas expenditures happened at warp speed... why is that?

If you know where to look for the financial data you might find it. If you do, how reliable is it? Lots of things get swept under the rug like black budget projects that we will only learn about when it leaks out, if it ever does.

So, did the VC war accomplish its goals? I would say it did. Eventually the sentiment of the American public was too obvious to ignore any longer and the Secretary of State Henry Kissinger's opinion of military men had been realized.

So, was the declaration of the VC war the right thing to do? Did North Vietnam pose a threat to America? Was it worth 58,000 dead soldiers and over 200,000 wounded?

Who decides this? It isn't the people paying the price for it.

........and you are one of those people.....

I dare you to walk into a VFW Legion and spout this to the people there.....

When you wake up in the alley behind it, remember that I told you to do that......

[Bumblebee]

......and you could spout all this rhetoric about Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and a few other places........but I suggest you don't as someone who wore a uniform and actually fought for their country might take exception to your views.....

We soldiers fight for each other and when we lose our brothers and sisters in arms in combat, we don't want to hear someone chirp about how we shouldn't have been there in the first place.....

When it comes that sort of thing.....country borders are dropped along with the person spouting off.....if someone beaks off to me about Americans or any other allied country fighting and how their contribution didn't matter, they get a piece of my mind.....(not too big of a piece mind you as I only have so much to go around).

[Red05]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but from all the reports I’ve read, the fatalities caused by both illegal and legal immigrants is no significantly higher or even less than US born citizens. Same for incarceration.

I don’t know how many times I’ve posted that but numbskulls continue to claim falsely that immigrants commit more crimes than U.S. citizens. I’m not saying the citizens are morally compromised, they are just more emboldened and immigrants, especially illegal ones, are more afraid of getting caught.

[Zerks]

........and you are one of those people.....

I dare you to walk into a VFW Legion and spout this to the people there.....

When you wake up in the alley behind it, remember that I told you to do that......

The war narrative was cast decades ago... you can't change people minds with facts when they suffered extensively at the time it was all going down.

Memories based in emotion will always trump newly discovered truths.

I noticed you didn't answer any of those questions. Peace through strength is usually the answer. Occasionally we have a group like the Houthi's funded and armed by Iran and perhaps some other nations and so we protect our allies in an attempt to squash the idiocy taking place in the Red Sea. Our actions are surgical... not prolonged boots on the ground dangerous operations even though... all operations can turn deadly at anytime.

We are both free to believe what we decide to believe. The people that volunteer to serve are honorable. So, I am not about to enter a VFW and tell them the newest disclosures about any war... what would be the point of that? The people that served didn't sign the documents that served as the green light to go to war. Those documents were created and signed for the purpose of starting or ending a war. Putting your life on the line is a choice... if you are willing to sacrifice your life, then, what is your life worth? Do the people signing the docs have your best interest in mind?

The "State" has a goal... the goal is different for different countries... what does your State prioritize? For four years our State prioritized the invasion of 15 to 20 million illegal aliens. It was an unwindable war where the State became the enemy of the citizens.

With trade and tariff deals jumbling up the markets my opinion says more wars are coming. Just like in poker... when your bankroll gets cut down to a certain point you must go all in... going all in means you either recover or get wrecked.

[Bumblebee]

The war narrative was cast decades ago... you can't change people minds with facts when they suffered extensively at the time it was all going down.

Memories based in emotion will always trump newly discovered truths.

I noticed you didn't answer any of those questions. Peace through strength is usually the answer. Occasionally we have a group like the Houthi's funded and armed by Iran and perhaps some other nations and so we protect our allies in an attempt to squash the idiocy taking place in the Red Sea. Our actions are surgical... not prolonged boots on the ground dangerous operations even though... all operations can turn deadly at anytime.

We are both free to believe what we decide to believe. The people that volunteer to serve are honorable. So, I am not about to enter a VFW and tell them the newest disclosures about any war... what would be the point of that? The people that served didn't sign the documents that served as the green light to go to war. Those documents were created and signed for the purpose of starting or ending a war. Putting your life on the line is a choice... if you are willing to sacrifice your life, then, what is your life worth? Do the people signing the docs have your best interest in mind?

The "State" has a goal... the goal is different for different countries... what does your State prioritize? For four years our State prioritized the invasion of 15 to 20 million illegal aliens. It was an unwindable war where the State became the enemy of the citizens.

With trade and tariff deals jumbling up the markets my opinion says more wars are coming. Just like in poker... when your bankroll gets cut down to a certain point you must go all in... going all in means you either recover or get wrecked.

Wars are fought for many reasons......the US hasn't won one since WW2 but the war machine keeps on going...there is huge financial gains made by selling arms and training...the gains are all the R&D obtained by this equipment and tactics used on the battlefield....the war in Ukraine was a great opportunity for this.......the US (and allies) learned how to defeat the Russians. That information is invaluable and no amount of money can buy this knowledge....
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I was trained in counter-insurgency and it was taught that insurgent groups are very hard to not only identify but to defeat....bullets and bombs won't eliminate them......millions of tons of bombs and missiles have been dispensed on these groups yet they still flourish. Houthis, Hamas, ISIS, Taliban and many other such terror organizations are all out there thumbing a nose at the might of the US and allies knowing full well they are incapable of eliminating them no matter how hard they try...

And countries that support them are doing the same thing.......one thing that assisted the US in gathering intelligence were all the humanitarian NGOs which were operating in these austere locations...now this administration has stripped a lot of this away by shutting down humanitarian aid.
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The negative change in policies and relationships which have come out of the White House could prove you are correct in thinking more wars will be occurring. This was supposed to be the administration to end wars but it appears the opposite could be a reality.....

[Zerks]

Got any ideas on how to stop the fleecing of America?

As far as the Houthis and other groups like them. I agree, you can't round them all up and jail them, however... their tools of war and underground bunkers can be taken down for a while and safer shipping in the Red Sea can continue. The MIC is enjoying good sales of its goods right now I can almost hear the cheers at Raytheon now every time a cruise missile blast off the deck of our destroyers.

I actually did some profile grinding on interstate 5 in San Deigo back in 2011 right in front of a Raytheon office building. I wonder what the corporate mission statement is at Raytheon?

Found it... Raytheon's mission statement is 'to be the most admired defense and aerospace systems supplier through world-class people and technology.

70,000 people work there.

[Bumblebee]

Got any ideas on how to stop the fleecing of America?

As far as the Houthis and other groups like them. I agree, you can't round them all up and jail them, however... their tools of war and underground bunkers can be taken down for a while and safer shipping in the Red Sea can continue. The MIC is enjoying good sales of its goods right now I can almost hear the cheers at Raytheon now every time a cruise missile blast off the deck of our destroyers.

I actually did some profile grinding on interstate 5 in San Deigo back in 2011 right in front of a Raytheon office building. I wonder what the corporate mission statement is at Raytheon?

Found it... Raytheon's mission statement is 'to be the most admired defense and aerospace systems supplier through world-class people and technology.

70,000 people work there.

Wars and warfighting is a great way to make big money......

Groups like Houthis and others will always prevail...it's an ideology and that can never be taken out by force....and this has been a real problem for strategists for years and years....what is the answer to the terror cell key? nobody knows......we've tried bombing and shooting them, we've tried infiltrating their ranks, we've tried covert and overt assassinations of their leaders, we've tried paying them off......and yet they still prevail.....

We leave them alone and they leave us alone and in time they start in-fighting....maybe that is the answer.

[Zerks]

Wars and warfighting is a great way to make big money......

Groups like Houthis and others will always prevail...it's an ideology and that can never be taken out by force....and this has been a real problem for strategists for years and years....what is the answer to the terror cell key? nobody knows......we've tried bombing and shooting them, we've tried infiltrating their ranks, we've tried covert and overt assassinations of their leaders, we've tried paying them off......and yet they still prevail.....

We leave them alone and they leave us alone and in time they start in-fighting....maybe that is the answer.

Now you admit war is about making money too? Well, it makes sense when you see who is financing both sides.

Meanwhile... Keep sending poison down range with depleted uranium rounds and all the other nasty fallout from high grade weapons packed with dirty bomb nuclear stuff like caesium 137.

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