Something you wont see the Democrats do

[thrasherfox]

I was ALMOST not going to post this for the shear fact that in my opinion most of the Democrats on here really are very closed minded and they are running around beating their chest as it is. in my opinion they really do not need any additional fuel for their cause.

In all honesty, this election above all other elections have almost made me despise Democrats as a whole. This is the first time in my life I have felt my self being swayed to actually consider myself a republican instead of an individual who plans on voting for the best person regardless of the party affiliation.

So to the democrats I say, way to go. way to win friends and influence enemies.

Most Democrats criticizes republicans for being short sighted, for being stupid, for not understanding the full picture. I have seen a lot of party attacks on the board, yes from both sides, but mainly from the Democrats.

So as far as I am concerned "most" Democrats live in a glass house. So good job all you Democrats on this board, you have really turned me off of and against Democrats where as before I honestly never looked at Party affiliations.

We have had some members whom I wont mention by name, have only been on this board strictly to spew their democratic crap.

I have not seen the same from the republican side.


Ok, with all of that said, I ran across something on MSNBC. pretty much the only thing on this planet at this time that could have and still might have a chance of persuading me to vote for Obama.

That is the endorsement by an individual who I have the utmost respect for and whom I have stated in the past that I would vote for if he ran for president. and that is Colin Powell.

Here is the link, click on the video and watch what he has to say.

Powell endorses Obama for president - Meet the Press, online at MSNBC - MSNBC.com


If it were not for all the crap the Democrats have spewed on this board, this endorsement very well could have swayed me to vote for Mr. Obama, however solely due to the democratic crap I have seen on this board I am now asking myself do I really want these type of people in office? so because of this I might still vote for McCain.

However I ask all of you, Republicans and Democrats to watch this video and Mr. Powell's endorsement.

I guess the biggest feeling I get out of it is he has known both men for a long time, has a great deal of respect for both and in his opinion either of them will make a good president, so that makes me feel a little better on regardless of who wins we will probably be ok.

His biggest issue is party lines, he has not cared for the direction the Republican party has gone, he feels they have gone to far to the right. So his problem isnt so much with McCain (while he does make some personal choice criticism's that I am pondering). Over all Mr. Powell seems to be concerned with the Republican party.

And for the Democrats, please don't get on here saying "told you so" or "glad you finally see the light" because those type of comments are what is really turning me off of all of you.

At least I am open minded enough to post this and man enough to admit maybe there is a better way. More than I can say for "most" of the Democrats I have seen post on here.

 

[Rayabusa0818]

I was hoping that McCain would select Powell or Condeleeza Rice as his running mate. I wonder if he even interviewed them ???

I heard a rumor that Rice wasn't interested because she is thinking of a run in 2012, but I have never seen this substantiated.

Rice and Powell are among the few leaders that seem to search for what is right rather than what fits the party line.

The only other one that comes to mind right away is our Senator Lamar Alexandar from Tennessee. I am sure there are others out there and I wish they would rise to the top.

I am not looking for a Democrat or a Republican, but an American that is willing to deal with the issues without putting party philosophy first. I guess that is a pipe dreah eh

 

[Southside Playa]

Thanks for keeping it real, Ron. Your integrity remains intact and has never been in question (at least not by me), unlike some of your fellow board Republicans.

I am happy that you and I have been able to discuss our differences over time in PM's etc. So at the end of the day we still respect each other as men and fellow riders, and not politicos.

Have a good Sunday bro.

 

[thrasherfox]

Thanks for keeping it real, Ron. Your integrity remains intact and has never been in question (at least not by me), unlike some of your fellow board Republicans.

I am happy that you and I have been able to discuss our differences over time in PM's etc. So at the end of the day we still respect each other as men and fellow riders, and not politicos.

Have a good Sunday bro.

+1 back at ya Marcus.

You have a good day also

 

[Fate]

Have not read article yet but that is a shocker to me. I have the utmost respect for Colin Powell and would not have thought twice to vote for him if he ran or was a running mate.

 

[thrasherfox]

Have not read article yet but that is a shocker to me. I have the utmost respect for Colin Powell and would not have thought twice to vote for him if he ran or was a running mate.

+1 me too.

That is what threw me. I also think Colin Powell is a straight shooter and have the utmost respect for him.

And for him to back Obama, and to watch his what I would consider a very thoughtful interview it has me second guessing.

I along with countless others have issues about the state of our country and what has transpired over the last 4 to 8 years.

I have been on the fence about the candidates for a long time. And began to lean towards McCain just out of the "lesser of the two evils" syndrome.

Not saying either of them are evil, just the concept.

But I am now thinking if Colin Powell is backing Obama then maybe it wouldn't be too risky to see what Obama can do for this country.

And I have often said one of the problems with our governement is most people who become president have been corrupted by Washington and that we need someone new to the scene. And Obama does have that going for him.

So yeah, Colin Powell backing Obama has had an impact on me.

I guess for now I need to stick an Obama banner in my front yard next to my McCain banner

 

[thrasherfox]

Have not read article yet but that is a shocker to me. I have the utmost respect for Colin Powell and would not have thought twice to vote for him if he ran or was a running mate.

Fate,

Read the article and watch the video of Colin Powell and his explanation

 

[shean1]

I was ALMOST not going to post this for the shear fact that in my opinion most of the Democrats on here really are very closed minded and they are running around beating their chest as it is. in my opinion they really do not need any additional fuel for their cause.

In all honesty, this election above all other elections have almost made me despise Democrats as a whole. This is the first time in my life I have felt my self being swayed to actually consider myself a republican instead of an individual who plans on voting for the best person regardless of the party affiliation.

So to the democrats I say, way to go. way to win friends and influence enemies.

Most Democrats criticizes republicans for being short sighted, for being stupid, for not understanding the full picture. I have seen a lot of party attacks on the board, yes from both sides, but mainly from the Democrats.

So as far as I am concerned "most" Democrats live in a glass house. So good job all you Democrats on this board, you have really turned me off of and against Democrats where as before I honestly never looked at Party affiliations.

We have had some members whom I wont mention by name, have only been on this board strictly to spew their democratic crap.

I have not seen the same from the republican side.


Ok, with all of that said, I ran across something on MSNBC. pretty much the only thing on this planet at this time that could have and still might have a chance of persuading me to vote for Obama.

That is the endorsement by an individual who I have the utmost respect for and whom I have stated in the past that I would vote for if he ran for president. and that is Colin Powell.

Here is the link, click on the video and watch what he has to say.

Powell endorses Obama for president - Meet the Press, online at MSNBC - MSNBC.com


If it were not for all the crap the Democrats have spewed on this board, this endorsement very well could have swayed me to vote for Mr. Obama, however solely due to the democratic crap I have seen on this board I am now asking myself do I really want these type of people in office? so because of this I might still vote for McCain.

However I ask all of you, Republicans and Democrats to watch this video and Mr. Powell's endorsement.

I guess the biggest feeling I get out of it is he has known both men for a long time, has a great deal of respect for both and in his opinion either of them will make a good president, so that makes me feel a little better on regardless of who wins we will probably be ok.

His biggest issue is party lines, he has not cared for the direction the Republican party has gone, he feels they have gone to far to the right. So his problem isnt so much with McCain (while he does make some personal choice criticism's that I am pondering). Over all Mr. Powell seems to be concerned with the Republican party.

And for the Democrats, please don't get on here saying "told you so" or "glad you finally see the light" because those type of comments are what is really turning me off of all of you.

At least I am open minded enough to post this and man enough to admit maybe there is a better way. More than I can say for "most" of the Democrats I have seen post on here.

Well said.. OPEN minded communication without insults is the way out of many of this countries problems..

 

[Lamb busa]

Lamb for president! Proud member of the write-in party!

 

[Schism]

i have always been pro-powell and i had wished he ran for prez. years ago because i admire his integrity and passion for this country. regardless of parties, both demo and republicans have certain point of views that i'm in agreement with. i was never a fan of "choosing a party" and i hope the next prez. can bring this country "back up to speed".

 

[Fate]

Fate,

Read the article and watch the video of Colin Powell and his explanation

Wow, watched it and it makes you think!!!

 

[skydivr]

I was also disapointed in his choice, as I too think alot of Colin Powell. I met him once MANY years ago when he was a 1-star. Unfortunatly it's going to carry alot of weight. While I like Palin and I think John McCain is a much better choice, I think there were several other, better conservative choices with a track record for VP.

While Obama has his faults (his ability in public speaking not one of them), I'm not as scared of him as I am of his party - The party of Nancy Pelosi, MoveOn.org, Jesse Jackson, Michael Moore, etc., etc. - and he's going to owe a bunch of the radical part of the Democratic party some favors to cash in. Higher taxes, a socialist agenda, Gun Ownership I could go on and on...while they have a solid majority, they are gonna go for broke.

After this election, and if the Obama wins, I hope the Republican Party takes a good hard look at themselves and realize where they blew it:

1. The War - "IN IT TO WIN IT, NOT IN IT TO QUIT IT"
2. The Economy: "Yes, we are going to have to raise taxes on almost everyone, and CUT PROGRAMS to get our financial house squared away"
3. "I WANT, FOR BOTH PARTIES, THE LINE-ITEM VETO"
4. "We must have a strong defense"
5. "We want judges to interpret the LAW, not legislate from the Bench"
6. "White collar criminals should do jail time just as much as a drug dealer"
7. "Stop force-lending money cheap to people who obvously can't pay it back"
8. "The sanctity of Marriage is between one man and one woman"
9. "Getting an abortion ought not to be so easy; over 90% of women who have one later regret it"
10. "Gays and Lesbians openly, especially the 'flaming' variety, are not conductive to military service.
11. "People should be able to pass along what they earn/create/save to their children without them having to go broke or sell it all to pay the taxes".
12. "A lot of plumbers can make more than $250K a year if they own their own plumbing business".
13. "Redistribution of wealth" doesn't CREATE squat.

Jeez, I could go on and on. I do not have the confidence that Obama has the intestinal fortitude to buck the radical elements of his own party and be a centrist the the country needs unlike McCain.

 

[thrasherfox]

I was also disapointed in his choice, as I too think alot of Colin Powell. I met him once MANY years ago when he was a 1-star. Unfortunatly it's going to carry alot of weight. While I like Palin and I think John McCain is a much better choice, I think there were several other, better conservative choices with a track record for VP.

While Obama has his faults (his ability in public speaking not one of them), I'm not as scared of him as I am of his party - The party of Nancy Pelosi, MoveOn.org, Jesse Jackson, Michael Moore, etc., etc. - and he's going to owe a bunch of the radical part of the Democratic party some favors to cash in. Higher taxes, a socialist agenda, Gun Ownership I could go on and on...while they have a solid majority, they are gonna go for broke.

After this election, and if the Obama wins, I hope the Republican Party takes a good hard look at themselves and realize where they blew it:

1. The War - "IN IT TO WIN IT, NOT IN IT TO QUIT IT"
2. The Economy: "Yes, we are going to have to raise taxes on almost everyone, and CUT PROGRAMS to get our financial house squared away"
3. "I WANT, FOR BOTH PARTIES, THE LINE-ITEM VETO"
4. "We must have a strong defense"
5. "We want judges to interpret the LAW, not legislate from the Bench"
6. "White collar criminals should do jail time just as much as a drug dealer"
7. "Stop force-lending money cheap to people who obvously can't pay it back"
8. "The sanctity of Marriage is between one man and one woman"
9. "Getting an abortion ought not to be so easy; over 90% of women who have one later regret it"
10. "Gays and Lesbians openly, especially the 'flaming' variety, are not conductive to military service.
11. "People should be able to pass along what they earn/create/save to their children without them having to go broke or sell it all to pay the taxes".
12. "A lot of plumbers can make more than $250K a year if they own their own plumbing business".
13. "Redistribution of wealth" doesn't CREATE squat.

Jeez, I could go on and on. I do not have the confidence that Obama has the intestinal fortitude to buck the radical elements of his own party and be a centrist the the country needs unlike McCain.

+1

As I stated above, I have never been a person that has been party driven.

However in this election it has come to my intention that it seems most people who refer to themselves as Democrat have views and philosophies that are not inline with my beliefs.

So for this election I wont so much be voting FOR a particular party or FOR a particular candidate as I will be NOT voting for a particular party.

It is too bad Obama couldn’t be in the lead as he is and been an independent. I think as mentioned above it will be hard for him not to honor the assistance received from some people without there being sever repercussions.

 

[Dino]

I was also disapointed in his choice, as I too think alot of Colin Powell. I met him once MANY years ago when he was a 1-star. Unfortunatly it's going to carry alot of weight. While I like Palin and I think John McCain is a much better choice, I think there were several other, better conservative choices with a track record for VP.

While Obama has his faults (his ability in public speaking not one of them), I'm not as scared of him as I am of his party - The party of Nancy Pelosi, MoveOn.org, Jesse Jackson, Michael Moore, etc., etc. - and he's going to owe a bunch of the radical part of the Democratic party some favors to cash in. Higher taxes, a socialist agenda, Gun Ownership I could go on and on...while they have a solid majority, they are gonna go for broke.

After this election, and if the Obama wins, I hope the Republican Party takes a good hard look at themselves and realize where they blew it:

1. The War - "IN IT TO WIN IT, NOT IN IT TO QUIT IT"
2. The Economy: "Yes, we are going to have to raise taxes on almost everyone, and CUT PROGRAMS to get our financial house squared away"
3. "I WANT, FOR BOTH PARTIES, THE LINE-ITEM VETO"
4. "We must have a strong defense"
5. "We want judges to interpret the LAW, not legislate from the Bench"
6. "White collar criminals should do jail time just as much as a drug dealer"
7. "Stop force-lending money cheap to people who obvously can't pay it back"
8. "The sanctity of Marriage is between one man and one woman"
9. "Getting an abortion ought not to be so easy; over 90% of women who have one later regret it"
10. "Gays and Lesbians openly, especially the 'flaming' variety, are not conductive to military service.
11. "People should be able to pass along what they earn/create/save to their children without them having to go broke or sell it all to pay the taxes".
12. "A lot of plumbers can make more than $250K a year if they own their own plumbing business".
13. "Redistribution of wealth" doesn't CREATE squat.

Jeez, I could go on and on. I do not have the confidence that Obama has the intestinal fortitude to buck the radical elements of his own party and be a centrist the the country needs unlike McCain.

Is this a list of all the reasons why you think the republican party blew it?

5 and 8 are in direct opposition. The law applies to everyone equally while your statement about marriage excludes a segment of society. Therefore judges that interpret the LAW would support any 2 individuals who want to marry not just to individuals of opposite sex.

 

[mikeisaid]

I am new here, but this thread is very interesting. I have voted for republicans in the past, but i am not a republican or a democrat. I purposely have not decided who I will vote for this year. I am waiting to see and hear everything the candidates have to offer. I have in years past decided early and I think this does not keep your mind open. Once you are on one side of the fence, you cannot see both sides of the fence. I hope I am not the only person in the 50 states that thinks in this manner.

nice site by the way, I'm really impressed.

 

[skydivr]

Is this a list of all the reasons why you think the republican party blew it?

5 and 8 are in direct opposition. The law applies to everyone equally while your statement about marriage excludes a segment of society. Therefore judges that interpret the LAW would support any 2 individuals who want to marry not just to individuals of opposite sex.

Actually, yes, this is why I think my party blew it. They should have stuck to their guns instead of pandering.

5 and 8 in my mind are NOT in opposition. #8 isn't a law of man, but something much bigger - oh, and by the way, it's served human society very well for pretty much our entire existence.

Now, let me ask you, where do you think YOUR party blows it?

 

[Dino]

Actually, yes, this is why I think my party blew it. They should have stuck to their guns instead of pandering.

5 and 8 in my mind are NOT in opposition. #8 isn't a law of man, but something much bigger - oh, and by the way, it's served human society very well for pretty much our entire existence.

Now, let me ask you, where do you think YOUR party blows it?

I would ask you to explain how they are not in opposition a little more clearly. I say they are opposed because our government does not\should not discriminate based upon sex\race\gender\sexual preference....yet your proposition would discriminate based on sex and sexual preference. Everyone should have equal rights.

However I do not think the government should play a role in the sanctioning of "Marriage". Governments sanction and mitigate legal contracts. As long as 2 individuals are of legal age and sound mind they should be free to enter into any form of binding legal contract. All a "marriage" license does is solidify a legal contract between 2 individuals. So call it something else make it the same for everyone and get on to a more important issue.

Religions sanction "Marriage"; therefore if a church says we will not marry individuals of the same sex, I have no problem with that.

I think you are asking where I disagree with my Party's positions. So:

- I disagree with the Bail Out plan.
- I disagree with anti-2nd amendment (or any anti constitutional amendment) positions.

Other than that I am pretty happy with where the party stands, nothing else stands out as being a hot button topic. If you want my thoughts on a particular position, just ask.

 

[skydivr]

I would ask you to explain how they are not in opposition a little more clearly. I say they are opposed because our government does not\should not discriminate based upon sex\race\gender\sexual preference....yet your proposition would discriminate based on sex and sexual preference. Everyone should have equal rights.

However I do not think the government should play a role in the sanctioning of "Marriage". Governments sanction and mitigate legal contracts. As long as 2 individuals are of legal age and sound mind they should be free to enter into any form of binding legal contract. All a "marriage" license does is solidify a legal contract between 2 individuals. So call it something else make it the same for everyone and get on to a more important issue.

Religions sanction "Marriage"; therefore if a church says we will not marry individuals of the same sex, I have no problem with that.

I think you are asking where I disagree with my Party's positions. So:

- I disagree with the Bail Out plan.
- I disagree with anti-2nd amendment (or any anti constitutional amendment) positions.

Other than that I am pretty happy with where the party stands, nothing else stands out as being a hot button topic. If you want my thoughts on a particular position, just ask.

I can only say that I do not believe in the 'militant' Gay/Lesbian agenda and I consider it immoral behavior, therefore I cannot support any legislation that legitimizes it; and I do not think "Marriage" should be used in the same sentence. That's my personal opinion and I'm sticking to it.

At least we found SOME common ground on 2nd Amendment and portions of the bailout plan. That's the great thing about our country, we can disagree, and hopefully someone's not going to show up in the middle of the night to drag us away for saying so. I guess we can also both agree that we like our bikes.

Question back: Do you feel that your rights to gun ownership are about to be violated if your party gains unapposed control of the legislative and executive branches? Do you think your candidate can control the Brady bill crowd's passion for severly limiting gun ownership?

 

[runeight]

Ironic is it not?

Here is a man that was serving in Vietnam at the same time as McCain. While McCain was getting the POW treatment he was not.

The Republican Party made Powell what he is today. Every President promoted him to a higher level hence more money and higher job status. Now, with the election drawing near and the polls showing a possible Obama win he turns tail on the Republican Party.

I call "race card" on this.

Did you read the far left New York Times article on McCain's wife? Nothing is sacred with the left anymore. It's despicable as is the Democratic Party.

r8

 

[Dino]

I can only say that I do not believe in the 'militant' Gay/Lesbian agenda and I consider it immoral behavior, therefore I cannot support any legislation that legitimizes it; and I do not think "Marriage" should be used in the same sentence. That's my personal opinion and I'm sticking to it.

At least we found SOME common ground on 2nd Amendment and portions of the bailout plan. That's the great thing about our country, we can disagree, and hopefully someone's not going to show up in the middle of the night to drag us away for saying so. I guess we can also both agree that we like our bikes.

Question back: Do you feel that your rights to gun ownership are about to be violated if your party gains unapposed control of the legislative and executive branches? Do you think your candidate can control the Brady bill crowd's passion for severly limiting gun ownership?

I don't think my guns will be taken away. It could become more difficult to purchase guns, but the topic is very heated and I place my faith in the supreme court to determine any restriction on gun ownership to be unconstitutional.

The problem you present is the legislation of morality, and it is a difficult one. I don't believe the government has a role in legislating morality. Morality is the responsibility of the church. Therefore it is not the business of the government to decide who should be married and who should not. I don't agree or disagree with gay marriage, in fact I just don't care. I believe that all americans should enjoy the same rights and that the exercising of those rights does not infringe upon me in any way.

As for the bikes you are dead on.