Russia and Ukraine
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Very intelligent, hard to figure the invasion of Ukraine, seems foolhardy for a thinker like him. He took the conversation with Carlson wherever he wanted, and I believe he would do the same with Biden or Trump.
I find it sort of troubling so many Ukrainians have abandoned their country to flee elsewhere...
Now their country is hurting for able bodied fighters to the point of being almost combat ineffective and at risk of a Russian victory....
One would think these recent Ukrainian ex-pats would go back and fight for what's theirs.....
Now their country is hurting for able bodied fighters to the point of being almost combat ineffective and at risk of a Russian victory....
One would think these recent Ukrainian ex-pats would go back and fight for what's theirs.....
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after Feb 2022 , most Ukrainian men under 40 were not allowed to leave the country
except if you had $$$$ to pay off Border guards which is what thousands did
how many thousands more are required to be thrown into the meat grinder ,same for the Russian side - Prisons are now empty as they are on the front line
except if you had $$$$ to pay off Border guards which is what thousands did
how many thousands more are required to be thrown into the meat grinder ,same for the Russian side - Prisons are now empty as they are on the front line
How does anyone outside the Russian prison system know what the prison population is?
There are the media scare tactics saying Russia is going to invade Europe....I don't know where they will get their ground invasion force from because just as you said, they are getting desperate for people when they are emptying out prisons....
And many of the tanks that were captured were cobbled together from scrap...
Captured Russians are reporting this from what I've read.....
mark3evo
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That is easily found I’m sure your National agencies know that
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I don’t buy any of that BS that Putin is going to roll further west
There is no value in example in invading Poland
There is nothing they want , and as you know without country wide conscription there are insufficient armed forces. Plus Russia mothers would be up in arms.
The news we see over here is what they want us to see. Ukraine is in much bigger trouble than what we hear, regarding the war. From a corruption point of view, they are worse than Mexico.
news.yahoo.com
Putin warns West of nuclear war risk
President Vladimir Putin warned Thursday of a "real" risk of nuclear war if the West escalates the conflict in Ukraine, offering a defiant and emboldened stance in his annual speech to Russians.Everything that the West comes up with creates the real threat of a conflict with the use of nuclear...
People who I served with before were in Ukraine for years providing technical training and they reported that there are significant issues within the Ukrainian military.....there were active neo-nazi units operating there.....and our instructors were informed to not provide these units with any sort of training....so the units merely took off their unit patches....The news we see over here is what they want us to see. Ukraine is in much bigger trouble than what we hear, regarding the war. From a corruption point of view, they are worse than Mexico.
Putin warns West of nuclear war risk
President Vladimir Putin warned Thursday of a "real" risk of nuclear war if the West escalates the conflict in Ukraine, offering a defiant and emboldened stance in his annual speech to Russians.Everything that the West comes up with creates the real threat of a conflict with the use of nuclear...
That and their military's officers and SNCO corps were weak and not well trained in leadership...it got to the point that NATO militaries basically had military college instructors inserted to provide basic leadership training.
I'd say the Ukrainian losses are far greater than what is being reported....they have to walk the fine line in order to maintain full western support.
Well from my understanding, modern "Ukraine" is basically a western construct and "the ukraine" represents what the region historically was, a border region that was contested by Poland and Russia over the centuries. Now what we think of this hardly matters, it's what the people living there think, many of whom are Russian speaking, Russian decent. Then there are those of Polish decent. I suspect a proportion of those that fled were probably from both ancestries and used their refugee status to access Western countries and a better life. The only logical conclusion to draw is that in a real sense many living there don't consider ukraine as 'theirs', else the people would indeed fight for it, to the bitter end, just as most long established nations do. And if they didn't stay and fight, then there is small chance they will return and fight is there.
India and Pakistan used to be one nation, So was Iraq and Iran, that was Persia. Maps change all the time, it's hard to keep up. Where is Yugoslavia? Yugoslavia was a country in Central Europe that existed from 1918 to 1992. It came into existence in 1918 following World War I, then after an economic and political crisis in the 1980s broke up along its republics' borders into five countries. Ukraine, 'the ukraine'?
It only matters on TV. It's a TV war like Vietnam was a TV war, when the dust settles no one will give a poop either way.
Indian History
History of the ukraine region
The sad times we live in where people won't fight for what's theirs..
Regardless of ancestry and history, if a person is born or lives in a country, it is theirs.......there are few countries in the world which are inhabited by the ancestors of the people who were of the first people to settle a country...I guess it bothers me when people so readily abandon their country without fighting for it....if I were a host country, I wouldn't allow them in as I know in a pinch they'd abandon that country as well....who wants citizens like that?
There was tension between provinces in the former Yugoslavia that was held together by force by the former Soviet Union, once that collapsed, so did Yugoslavia.....that war was a nasty one filled with ethnic cleansing and hatred of which is still present today....in all the conflict zones I operated in, it was one of the worst....
I was reading this morning that Ukraine is rationing it's ammo....which is about time as they have been burning through ammo at an alarming rate....
This happens with an undisciplined/inexperienced military all the time.....even in battle an ammo expenditure estimation is developed and the troops of Ukraine threw that out the window....they were firing 155mm Excalibur rounds like they were conventional rounds....and they are uber-expensive....
This happens with an undisciplined/inexperienced military all the time.....even in battle an ammo expenditure estimation is developed and the troops of Ukraine threw that out the window....they were firing 155mm Excalibur rounds like they were conventional rounds....and they are uber-expensive....
mark3evo
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also falling short of young men willing to sign up, i heard that if a young man is walking the street there is a chance a military vehicle will drive next to you and basically 'press ganged' to join up
for those unaware of press ganged
Impressment - Wikipedia
Ukraine is using violent press gangs to snatch soldiers from streets
The war in Ukraine has always seemed a strange blend of the contemporary and the historic. I was reminded of this when a friend recently told me about the growing problem of press gangs there.
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Who was that US Marine General that said war is a racket? He talked of all the conflicts he was in and the banks and corporations that benefited from them. The British Empire's forces did basically the same thing, going in before the East India company to quell dissent and allow for exploitation. Now that military hardware is a major expense it's a bit different and the big arms dealers are the ones behind the scenes making the bucks. How much of the US aid to the ukraine went directly to the dealers?
How much have US 'Big Five' weapon manufacturers gained from arms sales to Ukraine?
How much have US 'Big Five' weapon manufacturers gained from arms sales to Ukraine?
mark3evo
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Agreed
There are 2 massive rackets going on
The first the Military industrial complex and the second the Medical industrial complex with big and pharma
Fighting a war takes a lot of materials-everything from bandages to aircraft......there is nothing inexpensive about it but when you are watching your buddies get shot or are pinned down by enemy fire, the fact that cost is involved disappears really quickly.
It was said that war is hell and it certainly is that....
I hate to be "that guy" but anyone who complains about the financial cost of war, hasn't been in one or seen the cost to human life they cause.
Sadly wars are a part of the human experience....we just aren't designed to get along.
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