Death of the Petro Dollar has started.

[Zerks]

Yes... it is a bit long... however, once you see where its all headed you can plan as best you can for the future.
Nobody is coming to save us from a corrupt debt based banking system that is showing us the end game where inflation spikes.

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Shared Interests
The Foundation for a New Global Financial System

JOE LANGE
FEB 23, 2023

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Have you ever heard of the term, ‘Shared Interests?’​

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Trump used that term in describing Putin and Russia at their press conference in Helsinki, Finland, where Putin handed Trump a soccer ball and said the ball was now in Trump’s court.
Trump used that term specifically because he was sending a message to the world that a coalition was forming. At that time, the media was doing a full court press on Russian collusion, while painting Putin as our enemy and desperately trying to get Trump to confront him on election interference.
Instead of Trump calling Putin an adversary or enemy, he called him a competitor and he used that term for a good reason: it triggered the media and just about everyone else at the time, but competition is a good thing. Competition can spur innovation, efficiency and achievements never thought possible.
So why did Trump call Putin a competitor?
According to RT News:

Donald Trump has touched upon his much-anticipated meeting with Vladimir Putin, saying the Russian president is not an enemy but a competitor who may turn into a friend in due time.
“I hope we’ll get along well, I think we get along well,” US President Donald Trump told a news conference on Thursday on the sidelines of NATO summit in Brussels.“But, ultimately, he’s a competitor, he’s representing Russia and I’m representing the United States.”

“He’s representing Russia and I’m representing the United States.”​

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Leaders have a responsibility to represent the people of their nation and also to promote what is best for them.
That’s how it’s supposed to be.
The world hasn’t been like that in a long time, but things are about to change.
Here is a great quote by Trump from that Helsinki press conference shared by VOX:

“The disagreements between our two countries are well-known. President Putin and I discussed them at length today. But if we’re going to solve many of the problems facing our world, then we’re going to have to find ways to cooperate in pursuit of shared interests. Too often, in both recent past and long ago, we have seen the consequences when diplomacy is left on the table. We have also seen the benefits of cooperation. In the last century, our nations fought alongside one another in the second World War. Even during the tensions of the Cold War, when the world looked much different than it does today, the United States and Russia were able to maintain a strong dialogue.”

Cooperation in the pursuit of Shared Interests​

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That is the key:​

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Pursuit of Shared Interests.​

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I would like to make a small distinction between terms: I think there is a difference between Shared Interests and Common Interests.
Common Interests are simply things people or countries might have in common. I would argue that the whole world has a Common Interest to be free of the corrupt global central banks debt system as a collective.
But I think the countries that have formed BRICS, along with Trump and those wishing to join, are actually pursuing a Shared Interest; they are cooperating in an actual plan of action to remove and replace this global debt system.

What is the plan and why was it necessary?​

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The puppet masters who have controlled the global financial system have used it to make themselves wealthy and more powerful, but they’ve also used it for two other important reasons that led directly to the forming of the BRICS coalition.
First, they use the institutions of the global financial system to keep many developing countries trapped in perpetual poverty, especially those rich in natural resources. They then bribe and corrupt their governments so they can steal their resources for much less than they are worth.
Secondly, they use sanctions to deny or limit access to financial institutions in order to punish countries that haven’t played by their rules.

Sanctions are used like a weapon, to limit trade, access to credit and ultimately damage a country’s economy to force compliance.​

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The reason BRICS formed in the first place was so they could escape this cabal-controlled system and avoid sanctions.
The very first BRIC summit happened in 2009 and was hosted by Russia. There were only four countries at that time: Brazil, Russia, India, China.
It was happening in the aftermath of the 2008 housing bubble that had burst and crashed global markets, causing a credit crisis that effected the globe. The cabal took advantage of that crisis to gain even more control over the world’s financial system as they also enriched themselves.
But this crisis turned out to be the catalyst that motivated these four countries to finally do something. They decided it was time for change and committed to cooperate with each other to create an alternative financial system.
According to the New York Times:

YEKATERINBURG, Russia — Leaders of the four largest emerging market economies discussed ways to reduce their reliance on the United States at their first formal summit meeting on Tuesday. But they concluded with only a cautious statement suggesting a move away from the dollar’s role in global commerce and a call for greater representation of developing countries in global financial institutions.
Russia’s president, Dmitri A. Medvedev, said the main point of the meeting was to show that “the BRIC should create conditions for a more just world order.”
“There can be no successful currency system, and particularly a global system, if the financial instruments that are used are denominated in only one currency,” Mr. Medvedev said. “Today, this is the case and the currency is the dollar.”

Having the entire global financial system centered around one currency not only gives that country a complete advantage, but also makes it easier to control every aspect of the world’s financial system.
The dollar has been one of the cabal’s greatest weapons for several generations. It gives them commanding control over other countries and their economies, allowing them to decide the winners and losers.
This is what the BRICS are fighting for: The de-dollarization of the global financial system and freedom.

How dominant is the dollar’s global reserve currency status?​

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1. It gets the highest weight in the SDR (Special Drawing Rights) basket of currencies. (Most influential)
   a) SDR-An international type of monetary reserve currency created by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in 1969 that operates as a supplement to the existing money reserves of member countries
2. It’s the dominant currency used for international trade.
3. It’s the leading currency used in the global financial infrastructure.
   a) financial infrastructure enables money to move throughout an economy, functioning as a platform for transactions, whether these are payments, financing, or the transfer of bonds and stocks.
4. It sets the price for major global commodities, especially oil and gold.
5. It is the main currency used for development financing, bank deposits and corporate borrowing around the globe. (Bonds)
6. It is the primary currency used for investing in global equity markets.
7. Finally, it is also the primary safe-haven currency in times of economic and financial crisis.

Can you see why these countries with emerging economies would want to get out from under the complete control of the U.S. dollar?
They needed a new system that wasn’t controlled by a cabal of elites. One that was fair, more autonomous and that would allow their economies to grow.

“Autonomous” is another key to this whole plan.​

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autonomous​

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adjective​

1. Not controlled by others or by outside forces; independent.
2. Independent in mind or judgment; self-directed.
3. Independent of the laws of another state or government; self-governing

Self-governing​

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This is why Trump called Putin a competitor, and said that “he was representing Russia and I’m representing the United States.”​

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They have a Shared Interest in cooperating to achieve independence from the central banks, so they can become self-governing.
BRICS are now competing with this global debt system. They are laying the foundation for a new global financial system that will give countries more autonomy over their own economies for the benefit of their people. That is the Shared Interest that these leaders, along with Trump, are fighting for.
According to the press statement following the first ever BRIC summit:

We agreed that we will coordinate our work in this area, discuss all of the most complex questions, and discuss the parameters for a new financial system. We will give instructions accordingly to our finance ministers, the chairmen of our central banks, and directors of other relevant agencies, and they will meet and draft proposals that we will then study most carefully. If these proposals are approved, we will see that they are implemented.
The BRIC summit aims to create the conditions for building a fairer world order and to create a favourable environment for resolving global problems.

‘Working in coordination to build a new financial system and a fairer world order.’​

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That was the original objective of BRICS, which began a new system to COMPETE with the global debt system. They are attempting to build a parallel global financial system with currencies and institutions that are competing with the central bank debt system and the dollar.

Why were sanctions the catalyst?​

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All four of the original BRIC countries had faced US sanctions at one time or another and for various reasons. After the global crisis in 2008, they were motivated to reduce their dependence on the dollar in order to reduce their currency and sanctions risk.
I believe the Ukraine war was always part of the plan and was timed to happen during Biden’s watch. It’s a war over control. It’s not a fight for territory in Ukraine; it’s a fight for control of the global financial system. It’s a proxy war between the Rothschilds controlled central banks system and the BRICS.

Why were sanctions the key?​

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Sanctions have always been used as a weapon by the cabal. It was no surprise when they sanctioned Russia for their invasion of Ukraine. Putin, Trump and the BRICS nations were all expecting it. They have been preparing for this moment for a long time.

How are sanctions used to control governments?​

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According to the New York Times:

The European Union, the United States and the United Kingdom have imposed harsh economic penalties on Russia, sanctioning hundreds of wealthy citizens and government officials and largely cutting the country off from the international financial system. They also vowed to stop sending advanced technology and banned Russian airlines from flying to the West.

They cut Russia off from the international financial system—systems like SWIFT, along with Visa/Mastercard transactions in order to hurt their economy and energy exports.

What has Putin done to counter this predictable cabal move?​

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1. Russia created their own system to compete with SWIFT.

According to Times Of India:

SWIFT, which stands for ‘Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication,’ is not a financial institution but rather a global messaging system relaying instructions from one bank to another. In 1973, over 200 banks from 15 countries got together and created a co-operative to solve the problem of communicating to each other about cross-border payments. So, SWIFT is not a payment system at all and cannot actually move money; what it does do is offer a secure platform to communicate payment instructions from one bank to another.
In 2014, the Central Bank of Russia created its own messaging system— System for Transfer of Financial Messages (SPFS)— to replace SWIFT. As of 2020, SPFS traffic stands at 13 million messages, while more than 400 financial institutions are a part of Russian SPFS. To attract new members, the central bank has slashed the system’s tariffs to about half of SWIFT’s charges—and in 2019 the Accounts Chamber proposed obliging all banks operating in Russia—including the subsidiaries of foreign banks—to connect to the Russian analogue.

1. Russia created their own National Payment Card System.

According to Russia Beyond,

In 2014, after Crimea voted to join Russia in a referendum, the National Payment Card System (NPCS), the operator of ‘MIR’ cards, was created. The word “mir” means “world” or “peace” in English. It was created in case of a disconnection of cards from international payment systems. Even then, budget organizations began to gradually abandon payments to Visa and Mastercard cards. Pensions, social benefits and salaries to employees of budgetary organizations began to be transferred to ‘MIR’ payment system.

Russia is using their (SPFS) messaging system and their (MIR) National Payment Card system to connect directly with the other BRICS nations and trading partners to bypass the cabal’s sanctions.
Has it worked?
How’s this headline?

According to the liberal Toronto Star:

Remarkably, the Russian economy is expected to grow faster this year than the economies of alliance partners Germany and the U.K.
That recent forecast, by the International Monetary Fund (IMF), also predicts that Russian economic growth will outpace that of all G-7 economies next year. The IMF forecasts GDP growth in 2024 of 2.1 per cent for Russia, 1.5 per cent for Canada, and 1.0 per cent for the U.S.
How is that possible, when the external pain inflicted on Russia’s economy has no modern precedent in its scope, speed and coordination?

Russian trade has massively increased to several countries to make up for the lost trade due to sanctions and many countries are ignoring the sanctions altogether.
The BRICS are bypassing the cabal’s stranglehold of the global financial system.

How has President Xi prepared for this moment?​

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1. Xi launched the Belt and Road Initiative.

Our right-side media have constantly painted this as a bad thing, saying China is taking advantage of countries by putting them in debt, so they can steal their assets and commodities.
Isn’t that what the central banks have been doing to these developing countries for many generations? Putting them in debt, then taking their resources for less than they are worth?
China, on the contrary is actually helping to build transportation infrastructure, in order to promote trade for the future. Do you realize how important that is for developing countries to escape poverty?
The World Bank used to do that, but doesn’t do much infrastructure investing anymore. Belt and Road is going to help increase trade for these developing countries to help them in the future.
According to Brookings:

Despite the name, the program is global, not confined to the specific corridors. It is primarily a program to fund infrastructure. About two-thirds of the financing goes to power and transport. Total funding has been on the order of $50-100 Billion per year.

There’s a direct correlation between lack of trade and poverty among nations. This is a global war against a cabal of bankers and elites who have been the ones creating the poverty around the world. Trump, along with Xi and the rest of the coalition are fighting for humanity and financial freedom.
Speaking of infrastructure spending ..

NDB (New Development Bank)​

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The BRICS launched the NDB specifically for funding infrastructure projects in emerging and developing countries. The most important thing about this bank is that it promotes loans in local currencies to avoid the dollar control over all financing, in order to allow countries to have more autonomy.
According to the BBC:

The creation of the BRICS bank will almost surely create competition for both the World Bank and other similar regional funds.
BRICS nations have criticised the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund for not giving developing nations enough voting rights.
One of the goals for the bank—whose creation has been discussed for some time—would be to increase the amount of money loaned to developing countries to help with infrastructure projects.

1. China launched its own alternative to SWIFT called CIPS (Cross-Border Interbank Payment System).

This Chinese payment system is being used in far more countries than the Russian version because of the Belt and Road Initiative.
According to Reuters:

What is CIPS?​

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Backed by the People's Bank of China (PBOC), China launched the CIPS clearing and settlement services system in 2015 to internationalise yuan use. It allows global banks to clear cross-border yuan transactions directly onshore, instead of through clearing banks in offshore yuan hubs.

Who uses CIPS?​

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CIPS processed around 80 trillion yuan ($12.68 Trillion) in 2021, a 75% increase from a year ago, according to state-backed newspaper Jiefang Daily. As of end-January, CIPS said about 1,280 financial institutions in 103 countries and regions have connected to the system.
They include 30 banks in Japan, 23 banks in Russia and 31 banks from African nations receiving yuan funds via infrastructure projects under Beijing's Belt and Road Initiative, according to a survey by Nikkei newspaper in 2019.

1. China created a direct payment system with Russia, which allows them to trade and completely bypass the Petro-dollar.

According to Global Research,

This week it was announced that China has established a ‘payment versus payment‘ (PVP) system to clear Chinese yuan and Russian ruble transactions. The aim, we’re told, is to “reduce risks and improve the efficiency” of its foreign exchange system.
The new mechanism, which could rival the long-held monopoly of the US SWIFT inter-bank payment system (allowing for simultaneous settlement of transactions in two different currencies) was launched on Monday after receiving approval from China’s central bank, according to a statement by the country’s foreign exchange trading system.
However, financial oligarchs in Wall Street will view this move as an act of aggression in challenging the preeminence of the US dollar as the planet’s global reserve currency, which is inextricably tied and nearly completely dependent on the US ‘Petrodollar’ to prop-up the value of the US fiat currency.

China launched this direct payment system back in 2017, right before Trump made his visit to China and had dinner with Xi in the Forbidden City. A direct payment system between the second largest oil exporter and the largest oil importer, which avoided the Petro-dollar and any foreign exchange risk.
I don’t remember Trump making a big deal out of this. I think it’s a sign of the future, and a financial system based on commodity backed currencies with direct payments between countries outside of the cabal’s control. Financial autonomy for every country.

How do you directly challenge the Petro-dollar system used to control the world?​

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The price of oil is set by futures contracts using two benchmarks that the cabal controls.

1. Brent(UK) Brent Crude Oil; mostly used for diesel.
2. WTI(US) West Texas Intermediate; mostly used for petrol.

How do you compete with this corrupt system based on fiat dollars backed by nothing?
Offer gold for oil instead of dollars.

Yuan Oil Futures​

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China is offering to buy oil for gold by allowing them to exchange the Yuan for gold. A new gold standard for the purchase of oil.
We’re going back to a gold-backed currency and Xi has started the ball rolling.
If you are an oil producer, what would you rather receive for your valuable commodity? Gold, or a fiat dollar that is constantly losing its value because of inflation?
This huge news story shouldn’t have surprised anybody.

Saudi Arabia Is Open To Discuss Non-Dollar Oil Trade Settlements​

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According to OilPrice.com:

• Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest crude oil exporter, is open to discussing oil trade settlements in currencies other than the U.S. dollar.
• Saudi Minister of Finance Al-Jadaan: “I don’t think we are waving away or ruling out any discussion that will help improve the trade around the world.”
• During a visit to Saudi Arabia last month, Xi Jinping pledged to ramp up efforts to promote the use of the yuan in energy deals.

The Saudi finance minister announced this in an interview at Davos with no fear of the Soros/Klaus Schwab crowd.
What happened a month before the Saudi finance minister made the announcement that Saudi Arabia was willing to discuss non-dollar oil trade agreements?

China And Saudi Arabia Agree To Boost Oil Trade As Xi Visits Riyadh​

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From OilPrice.com:

China and Saudi Arabia agreed to expand crude oil trade as the world’s largest oil importer and the top global crude exporter upgraded their relations to a strategic partnership during the visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping in Riyadh.

All of this was predictable. The writing has been on the wall for a long time that Saudi Arabia is moving away from the Petro-dollar.
What was the first big sign?
Back in 2021, Saudi Arabia signed a military cooperation agreement with Russia. That should have told everyone that things have massively changed.
According to Reuters:

Saudi deputy minister of defense Khalid bin Salman said on Twitter on Tuesday that the kingdom and Russia signed an agreement aimed at developing areas of joint military cooperation between the two countries.

This was a huge deal. Remember, the whole basis for the Petro-dollar being the reserve currency and dominating the global debt system was because the U.S. made a deal with Saudi Arabia, guaranteeing the U.S. military would protect them, as long as they only accepted dollars for the price of their oil.
That deal is no longer valuable.
Saudi Arabia is the world’s largest oil producer and the only one that’s propping up the dollar. The days of the dollar’s reserve currency status are numbered. A global dollar dump is coming and it will crash the market. I believe this is the precipice and scare event that has been timed and planned to happen while Biden is president.
A global reset is coming along with a new global basket of currencies that are backed by hard assets and commodities such as gold.
I believe that Trump, Putin and Xi, along with Crown Prince Salman and the BRICS nations are the ones in control, finally putting an end to the world’s financial enslavement. They are bankrupting the central banks global debt system and building its replacement.

 

[TallTom]

While I am not about to read all of your sources I'll basically agree with the title.

The Saudis were perfectly content with keep the petrodollar as currency. Then Biden took office and KSA started courting China as it's new best friend. And yes this coalition was formed. For the soul purpose of supporting the Yuan as a world currency.

Fortunately Trump was smart enough to take steps to collapse the economy of China. Which is setting in pretty well now.

The Yuan is at record lows against the dollar right now.

If China decides to help Russia or invade Taiwan, we could stop selling them food. They'd be starving in the 6 figures within a few months. And blockade their oil pretty readily.

So while the effort is real. The results aren't bearing them fruit.

But we do have 2 more years of Biden to deal with.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Sadam wanted to abandon the Petro dollar and create the Petro euro with Germany and the EU. It wasn’t about WMDs. Had he done that the domino effect would have crumbled our economy. Many don’t realize that every barrel of oil in the world is traded in dollars no matter who it comes from. To abandon that system would crash us

 

[sixpack577]

Russia and China publicly agreed around 2016 that they would trade between themselves without the U.S Dollar.
Whether they do or not who knows.
But Everything globaly is on the U.S dollar standard, as you have to buy dollars with whatever country's currency to trade internationally.

 

[TallTom]

Sadam wanted to abandon the Petro dollar and create the Petro euro with Germany and the EU. It wasn’t about WMDs. Had he done that the domino effect would have crumbled our economy. Many don’t realize that every barrel of oil in the world is traded in dollars no matter who it comes from. To abandon that system would crash us

And that is precisely why the are trying to do this. People don't really want to understand how badly Biden has pissed off the OPEC.

He has gone over to beg the KSA. Which is even a bigger mistake. The only thing the KSA ever wanted us to be was their white slaves. So let's add groveling to seal our relationship.

 

[Zerks]

Sadam wanted to abandon the Petro dollar and create the Petro euro with Germany and the EU. It wasn’t about WMDs. Had he done that the domino effect would have crumbled our economy. Many don’t realize that every barrel of oil in the world is traded in dollars no matter who it comes from. To abandon that system would crash us

It has been so long since that thought was remembered I forgot all about it. Yes, Saddam wanted to accept Euros for his oil and the USA was having none of it.

Again... wars start when business dealings fail to adhere to certain rules made for the benefit of the USA as in this example.

Kinda shines a light on the USA doesn't it? This is what we were willing ( invade Iraq under false pretenses ) to do to enforce our rules.

It also makes 911 another event to consider for how it was used to attack Iraq. Lets see now... the majority of the "so called" terrorist with box cutters were "said" to be "Saudi Nationalist".

So... when Saudi's attack America with commercial let airliners the logical thing to do is attack Iraq?

A few days after 911 president Bush stood at ground Zero and said the 911 attackers would hear from us.

I guess he really meant Iraq would be invaded and nobody would notice it wasn't Saudi Arabia not being under attack.

See how stupid the whole series of events became? I know... it was weapons of mass destruction buried in the sand in Iraq... just another lie.

 

[jellyrug]

Zerks, do you own a Busa and ride it and post about it? Just curious?

In short, we need to just get our political act together, become more independent from China regarding technology and supply chain and believe in our country. That may be contrary to the stuff you post, but fortunately you seem to be a loner in that regard.

Putin has destroyed himself, it is just a matter of time. The populations of the autocratic world will eventually stand up to their leaders, provided we can maintain peace and prosperity here in the good old USA and set the example. The signs keep showing up with protests being handled brutally with death and jail sentences.

Do a bit of travelling abroad and see how green the grass is over there. Then come back and you will find the grass is greenest here, and it is even greener where you water it most. The propaganda you slurp up, is the stuff people will be arrested for, or murdered in each of the countries represented by the leaders in your picture. Ask me how I know that?

The guy on the far right, Mr. Ramaphosa leads a country, where the standard of living was higher than the US in the 80's. Today it rates number six on the list of homicides per capita. The free medical for all has deteriorated to stage where conditions are so bad today, that no one wants to use the facilities. There are countless power interruptions due to load shedding, as electricity can no longer be supplied reliably due to corruption and mismanagement. People who have financial means over there build 14' high walls around their properties in order to try and remain safe and private.

Do a bit of homework on the rest of smiles carried by the faces in that picture. The guy on the far left is the one we need to watch and you play right into what he needs from you.

 

[wreckwriter]

Zerks, do you own a Busa and ride it and post about it? Just curious?

In short, we need to just get our political act together, become more independent from China regarding technology and supply chain and believe in our country. That may be contrary to the stuff you post, but fortunately you seem to be a loner in that regard.

Putin has destroyed himself, it is just a matter of time. The populations of the autocratic world will eventually stand up to their leaders, provided we can maintain peace and prosperity here in the good old USA and set the example. The signs keep showing up with protests being handled brutally with death and jail sentences.

Do a bit of travelling abroad and see how green the grass is over there. Then come back and you will find the grass is greenest here, and it is even greener where you water it most. The propaganda you slurp up, is the stuff people will be arrested for, or murdered in each of the countries represented by the leaders in your picture. Ask me how I know that?

The guy on the far right, Mr. Ramaphosa leads a country, where the standard of living was higher than the US in the 80's. Today it rates number six on the list of homicides per capita. The free medical for all has deteriorated to stage where conditions are so bad today, that no one wants to use the facilities. There are countless power interruptions due to load shedding, as electricity can no longer be supplied reliably due to corruption and mismanagement. People who have financial means over there build 14' high walls around their properties in order to try and remain safe and private.

Do a bit of homework on the rest of smiles carried by the faces in that picture. The guy on the far left is the one we need to watch and you play right into what he needs from you.

Great post. Very accurate.

 

[Bumblebee]

It has been so long since that thought was remembered I forgot all about it. Yes, Saddam wanted to accept Euros for his oil and the USA was having none of it.

Again... wars start when business dealings fail to adhere to certain rules made for the benefit of the USA as in this example.

Kinda shines a light on the USA doesn't it? This is what we were willing ( invade Iraq under false pretenses ) to do to enforce our rules.

It also makes 911 another event to consider for how it was used to attack Iraq. Lets see now... the majority of the "so called" terrorist with box cutters were "said" to be "Saudi Nationalist".

So... when Saudi's attack America with commercial let airliners the logical thing to do is attack Iraq?

A few days after 911 president Bush stood at ground Zero and said the 911 attackers would hear from us.

I guess he really meant Iraq would be invaded and nobody would notice it wasn't Saudi Arabia not being under attack.

See how stupid the whole series of events became? I know... it was weapons of mass destruction buried in the sand in Iraq... just another lie.

Actually 9/11 led to the invasion of both Iraq and Afghanistan of which harbored and allowed Osama and his band of terrorists to train...

Dozens of terrorist training camps were eradicated in Afghanistan....

And the Taliban were able to float back and forth across the Pakistan border where NATO wasn't permitted to follow and target them as Pakistan forbid them......it took quite a bit for the SEAL team to conduct their operation against Osama leading to his capture.

 

[Zerks]

Actually 9/11 led to the invasion of both Iraq and Afghanistan of which harbored and allowed Osama and his band of terrorists to train...

Dozens of terrorist training camps were eradicated in Afghanistan....

And the Taliban were able to float back and forth across the Pakistan border where NATO wasn't permitted to follow and target them as Pakistan forbid them......it took quite a bit for the SEAL team to conduct their operation against Osama leading to his capture.

The real story will never be accepted by the mainstream consumer for the simple fact that we here in the West get propagandized more than any other place on earth. The homework has already been done on 9/11 for the time being. The list of facts both recorded and provable on a scientific level have already been captured and documented. The list contains thousands of points that in the sum total prove without a doubt that the 9/11 event had inside assistance from within our government. The SEC won't even identify who bet put options on United and American Airlines in advance of the attacks... see how this stuff works? Some members of the Bin Laden family were allowed to leave the country by airplane when the country was under a complete ground stop... see how this stuff works? An investigation into the crime of 9/11 was only started over 400 days after the fact because the wives and families of the victims kept calling for it. Many hundreds of people some of whom had military experience said they heard explosions before the buildings fell. Some people we killed by those explosions according to the relatives. The very first explosion took place in the basement of the North tower just seconds before it was hit up top and caused the concrete floor on basement level 2 to rise several inches briefly. Eyewitnesses then observed a lower floor level machine shop that was destroyed and an employee that survived it emerged that was severely burned. In 2006 it was revealed that foreign intelligence agencies were hearing chatter that indicated the USA was going to be attacked and passed that information on to the highest intelligence personnel in our agencies. What did they do? Nothing, no beefed up security at airports. They decided to just wait and see what happens. However, later on the FBI, CIA, NSA and possibly others did manage to blame each other for not sharing information between each other that was reported to have been sent to those agencies by foreign intelligence agencies. Our tax dollars at work... and then there is the oxymoronic Patriot Act... just another example of bills laws passed and labeled designed to do the exact opposite they were said to be doing. The TSA is mostly put in place as a conditioning tool. They do occasionally find stuff but its not due to criminal plans to terrorize America. BLM and Antifa just do it on foot and hope they get away before being arrested. However, if they do get arrested they get back out in hours so they can get back to it.

I won't bore you with the rest of it... its all out there for those that don't take the MSM and the Federal government at their word.

Terrorist training camps? Were they outdoors where could be seen by our highly sophisticated equipment designed for such a purpose? Are we able to pin point hit such targets with the technology we have? Or, were these training camps inside caves where we couldn't detect them?

Clinton decided not to capture Osama as he sat in a hospital long before 9-11. Later on reporters could find him and take his picture during a brief interview... but... USA intelligence agencies couldn't find him. They did find El Chapo though! lol ! Thanks to Sean Penn. Whatever happened at the place where they said Osama was shot never produced a visual identification that could be shown to the world. We did see the mummy style body as they shoved something overboard at sea and was said to be Osama's body. It is well documented that Hussain was hung and that Kadafi was killed when captured. With Osama you got nothing. Well, I take that back... you did see Obama, Hillary and others in the basement at the White House that implied they were watching the takedown of Osama in real time via satellite TV communications. That was later debunked as a staged photo op. Got to give them credit for making it look real at the time it happened. The power of propaganda... it will live here forever until laws are passed that make lying to the American public an unlawful act by the Press. The justice metered out by the Sandman case ( 10s of millions, perhaps more ) is an example of what should be happening often until the MSM goes out of business or quits lying on command from the people that really run things in this country. What did FDR say ? If anything big happens in politics you can bet it was planned that way? Something like that... anyway... what would a 3 term president know about anything?

Yes... I do ride my second Busa... replaced by the Concours until I finish putting the Busa back together that I wrecked So many projects to work on...

 

[Bumblebee]

The real story will never be accepted by the mainstream consumer for the simple fact that we here in the West get propagandized more than any other place on earth. The homework has already been done on 9/11 for the time being. The list of facts both recorded and provable on a scientific level have already been captured and documented. The list contains thousands of points that in the sum total prove without a doubt that the 9/11 event had inside assistance from within our government. The SEC won't even identify who bet put options on United and American Airlines in advance of the attacks... see how this stuff works? Some members of the Bin Laden family were allowed to leave the country by airplane when the country was under a complete ground stop... see how this stuff works? An investigation into the crime of 9/11 was only started over 400 days after the fact because the wives and families of the victims kept calling for it. Many hundreds of people some of whom had military experience said they heard explosions before the buildings fell. Some people we killed by those explosions according to the relatives. The very first explosion took place in the basement of the North tower just seconds before it was hit up top and caused the concrete floor on basement level 2 to rise several inches briefly. Eyewitnesses then observed a lower floor level machine shop that was destroyed and an employee that survived it emerged that was severely burned. In 2006 it was revealed that foreign intelligence agencies were hearing chatter that indicated the USA was going to be attacked and passed that information on to the highest intelligence personnel in our agencies. What did they do? Nothing, no beefed up security at airports. They decided to just wait and see what happens. However, later on the FBI, CIA, NSA and possibly others did manage to blame each other for not sharing information between each other that was reported to have been sent to those agencies by foreign intelligence agencies. Our tax dollars at work... and then there is the oxymoronic Patriot Act... just another example of bills laws passed and labeled designed to do the exact opposite they were said to be doing. The TSA is mostly put in place as a conditioning tool. They do occasionally find stuff but its not due to criminal plans to terrorize America. BLM and Antifa just do it on foot and hope they get away before being arrested. However, if they do get arrested they get back out in hours so they can get back to it.

I won't bore you with the rest of it... its all out there for those that don't take the MSM and the Federal government at their word.

Terrorist training camps? Were they outdoors where could be seen by our highly sophisticated equipment designed for such a purpose? Are we able to pin point hit such targets with the technology we have? Or, were these training camps inside caves where we couldn't detect them?

Clinton decided not to capture Osama as he sat in a hospital long before 9-11. Later on reporters could find him and take his picture during a brief interview... but... USA intelligence agencies couldn't find him. They did find El Chapo though! lol ! Thanks to Sean Penn. Whatever happened at the place where they said Osama was shot never produced a visual identification that could be shown to the world. We did see the mummy style body as they shoved something overboard at sea and was said to be Osama's body. It is well documented that Hussain was hung and that Kadafi was killed when captured. With Osama you got nothing. Well, I take that back... you did see Obama, Hillary and others in the basement at the White House that implied they were watching the takedown of Osama in real time via satellite TV communications. That was later debunked as a staged photo op. Got to give them credit for making it look real at the time it happened. The power of propaganda... it will live here forever until laws are passed that make lying to the American public an unlawful act by the Press. The justice metered out by the Sandman case ( 10s of millions, perhaps more ) is an example of what should be happening often until the MSM goes out of business or quits lying on command from the people that really run things in this country. What did FDR say ? If anything big happens in politics you can bet it was planned that way? Something like that... anyway... what would a 3 term president know about anything?

Yes... I do ride my second Busa... replaced by the Concours until I finish putting the Busa back together that I wrecked So many projects to work on...

Try to locate a training site via satellite and it's not an easy task at all....they are very easily blended in with other infrastructure...

There are many instances where boots on the ground and the mark 1 eyeball is the best way of locating these things...(ask how I know this)..

As for the actual 9/11 occurrences, the conspiracy theorists worked over time on this and obviously have captured you.

I didn't know you were on staff during Clinton's tenure? How do you know he decided not to capture him? At the time he was friendly to the US..

I do wonder about his actual capture and why he wasn't presented to the world in the same fashion as Saddam...I was told it would permit him to become a martyr to his followers if he was shown after capture.....and in what world do units in the US military kill a capture and bury that capture at sea.......Osama is probably running a Motel 8 somewhere.....

 

[Zerks]

Try to locate a training site via satellite and it's not an easy task at all....they are very easily blended in with other infrastructure...

There are many instances where boots on the ground and the mark 1 eyeball is the best way of locating these things...(ask how I know this)..

As for the actual 9/11 occurrences, the conspiracy theorists worked over time on this and obviously have captured you.

I didn't know you were on staff during Clinton's tenure? How do you know he decided not to capture him? At the time he was friendly to the US..

I do wonder about his actual capture and why he wasn't presented to the world in the same fashion as Saddam...I was told it would permit him to become a martyr to his followers if he was shown after capture.....and in what world do units in the US military kill a capture and bury that capture at sea.......Osama is probably running a Motel 8 somewhere.....

Maybe we should have sent ballons over Afganistan. The Japanese sent over 9000 ballons over America during WW2.

I don't know what a Mark 1 is... is it a laser beam type tool that can't be seen without special equipment?

In just one field of expertise we have over 3500 engineers, scientist and architects that have signed onto the fact that the NIST and Popular Mechanics version of events with the collapse of three buildings was not the way they said it was. Can you fool 3500+ experts? In fact, more than one expert watching it live on TV said something to the effect... no &ucking way... as the towers collapsed. Just look at the steel put into these buildings when they were being built. Look at the 87 core columns that were cross braced, bolted and welded... and ask yourself. How can a structure that is getting stronger as it gets shorter continue to fall at the same speed? The steel columns are much thicker at the bottom than they are at the roof. The debris is mostly falling outward or through the open floor spaces. It is not falling on the core, yet, the core is disappearing as it comes down. In some footage of the collapse you can actually see girders popping up and out of the debris as it comes down. The core should have stood on its own at least 6 or 700 ft from the ground. A few columns did remain briefly and then suddenly appeared to dissolve into dust and drop straight down.... Seems to me they should have fallen over like a tree would had they not turned to dust.

9/11 has a similar aspect to the JFK event. People are still wanting to see the truth come out from behind the redacted and blacked out FBI files on record. After 60 years somebody must be protecting somebody that doesn't want the truth out there.

Here is what we do know... more book have been written and more private investigative work has been directed to and spent on finding out the truth about who and why JFK was gunned down in broad daylight in front of hundreds of people than any other crime in the last 100 years. . We actually have a pretty good idea about how it was all put together and executed. At the same time plenty of diversionary crap has been created to throw people off the trail. Some people believe that over 2 billion dollars has been spent to keep it under wraps since 1963. One thing we can be pretty certain about... Oswald had to die because had he spoke in open court the investigation would not have said what is said.... or would have been declared another fraud on the American people... and the same is true with the 9/11 Ommission Report where investigators were not allowed access to crucial evidence that could have jeopardized the authenticity of that report. When a large crime is committed do the authorities wait over 400 days to begin an investigation? Only the out crystals of the families of the victims got it started.

Otherwise there was nothing to see here... 19 members of a terrorist group and one guy in a cave somewhere defeated a multi billion dollar defense system with box cutters.

 

[TallTom]

Maybe we should have sent ballons over Afganistan. The Japanese sent over 9000 ballons over America during WW2.

I don't know what a Mark 1 is... is it a laser beam type tool that can't be seen without special equipment?

In just one field of expertise we have over 3500 engineers, scientist and architects that have signed onto the fact that the NIST and Popular Mechanics version of events with the collapse of three buildings was not the way they said it was. Can you fool 3500+ experts? In fact, more than one expert watching it live on TV said something to the effect... no &ucking way... as the towers collapsed. Just look at the steel put into these buildings when they were being built. Look at the 87 core columns that were cross braced, bolted and welded... and ask yourself. How can a structure that is getting stronger as it gets shorter continue to fall at the same speed? The steel columns are much thicker at the bottom than they are at the roof. The debris is mostly falling outward or through the open floor spaces. It is not falling on the core, yet, the core is disappearing as it comes down. In some footage of the collapse you can actually see girders popping up and out of the debris as it comes down. The core should have stood on its own at least 6 or 700 ft from the ground. A few columns did remain briefly and then suddenly appeared to dissolve into dust and drop straight down.... Seems to me they should have fallen over like a tree would had they not turned to dust.

9/11 has a similar aspect to the JFK event. People are still wanting to see the truth come out from behind the redacted and blacked out FBI files on record. After 60 years somebody must be protecting somebody that doesn't want the truth out there.

Here is what we do know... more book have been written and more private investigative work has been directed to and spent on finding out the truth about who and why JFK was gunned down in broad daylight in front of hundreds of people than any other crime in the last 100 years. . We actually have a pretty good idea about how it was all put together and executed. At the same time plenty of diversionary crap has been created to throw people off the trail. Some people believe that over 2 billion dollars has been spent to keep it under wraps since 1963. One thing we can be pretty certain about... Oswald had to die because had he spoke in open court the investigation would not have said what is said.... or would have been declared another fraud on the American people... and the same is true with the 9/11 Ommission Report where investigators were not allowed access to crucial evidence that could have jeopardized the authenticity of that report. When a large crime is committed do the authorities wait over 400 days to begin an investigation? Only the out crystals of the families of the victims got it started.

Otherwise there was nothing to see here... 19 members of a terrorist group and one guy in a cave somewhere defeated a multi billion dollar defense system with box cutters.

Dude. Jelly was right. You need to get out and ride more.

 

[Zerks]

Dude. Jelly was right. You need to get out and ride more.

I just drove from Baton Rouge to home in 2 days... 1700+ miles. Flew out and bought a car...
the TSA touched me in all the right places at the airport!

Have you seen the rain in California lately? Its 38 degrees and raining right now... I hope it snows... I miss Utah but not

Wyoming, Minnesota and North Dakota.

I promise to shut up when the powers that be quit lying to us. That reminds me... Rosanne said it the other day...

The only time I believe politicians is when they are calling each other liars!

News flash... Eric Swalwell is pushing legislation to keep president Trump and 8 of his cabinet appointees from entering the US Capitol building ever again. I guess after being removed from some Intel committee for sleeping with the Chinese spy known as Fang Fang he has to extract revenge in the only way he can think of.

BTW... I stopped buying stuff from Harbor the Horrible Freight company over a year ago... maybe 2. That isn't a significant thing of scale, its just voting with my wallet.

 

[Bumblebee]

Maybe we should have sent ballons over Afganistan. The Japanese sent over 9000 ballons over America during WW2.

I don't know what a Mark 1 is... is it a laser beam type tool that can't be seen without special equipment?

In just one field of expertise we have over 3500 engineers, scientist and architects that have signed onto the fact that the NIST and Popular Mechanics version of events with the collapse of three buildings was not the way they said it was. Can you fool 3500+ experts? In fact, more than one expert watching it live on TV said something to the effect... no &ucking way... as the towers collapsed. Just look at the steel put into these buildings when they were being built. Look at the 87 core columns that were cross braced, bolted and welded... and ask yourself. How can a structure that is getting stronger as it gets shorter continue to fall at the same speed? The steel columns are much thicker at the bottom than they are at the roof. The debris is mostly falling outward or through the open floor spaces. It is not falling on the core, yet, the core is disappearing as it comes down. In some footage of the collapse you can actually see girders popping up and out of the debris as it comes down. The core should have stood on its own at least 6 or 700 ft from the ground. A few columns did remain briefly and then suddenly appeared to dissolve into dust and drop straight down.... Seems to me they should have fallen over like a tree would had they not turned to dust.

9/11 has a similar aspect to the JFK event. People are still wanting to see the truth come out from behind the redacted and blacked out FBI files on record. After 60 years somebody must be protecting somebody that doesn't want the truth out there.

Here is what we do know... more book have been written and more private investigative work has been directed to and spent on finding out the truth about who and why JFK was gunned down in broad daylight in front of hundreds of people than any other crime in the last 100 years. . We actually have a pretty good idea about how it was all put together and executed. At the same time plenty of diversionary crap has been created to throw people off the trail. Some people believe that over 2 billion dollars has been spent to keep it under wraps since 1963. One thing we can be pretty certain about... Oswald had to die because had he spoke in open court the investigation would not have said what is said.... or would have been declared another fraud on the American people... and the same is true with the 9/11 Ommission Report where investigators were not allowed access to crucial evidence that could have jeopardized the authenticity of that report. When a large crime is committed do the authorities wait over 400 days to begin an investigation? Only the out crystals of the families of the victims got it started.

Otherwise there was nothing to see here... 19 members of a terrorist group and one guy in a cave somewhere defeated a multi billion dollar defense system with box cutters.

We sent thousands of air missions over Afghanistan and still had a hard time finding some of these training camps. The Taliban and al Qaeda were experts and blending in and as they wore no uniform, they were able to disappear quickly.

The mark 1 eyeball is what you are using to read this post....the human eyeball works best on the ground as it's hard to hide from.

You and your fellow conspiracy theorists have the right to believe in what you want and the rest of us do as well. Somebody wearing a uniform has ensured this right is respected and permitted.....

Before 9/11, it was pretty common for a commercial aircraft to be hijacked....many military and police forces had special teams trained to deal with hijackers on the ground....since 9/11 hijacking an aircraft is next to impossible.

 

[TallTom]

I just drove from Baton Rouge to home in 2 days... 1700+ miles. Flew out and bought a car...
the TSA touched me in all the right places at the airport!

Have you seen the rain in California lately? Its 38 degrees and raining right now... I hope it snows... I miss Utah but not

Wyoming, Minnesota and North Dakota.

I promise to shut up when the powers that be quit lying to us. That reminds me... Rosanne said it the other day...

The only time I believe politicians is when they are calling each other liars!

News flash... Eric Swalwell is pushing legislation to keep president Trump and 8 of his cabinet appointees from entering the US Capitol building ever again. I guess after being removed from some Intel committee for sleeping with the Chinese spy known as Fang Fang he has to extract revenge in the only way he can think of.

BTW... I stopped buying stuff from Harbor the Horrible Freight company over a year ago... maybe 2. That isn't a significant thing of scale, its just voting with my wallet.

There are times when I read something you say and at it's core I say you and I can agree on your point.

I believe we both believe that America is in decline. I believe we both believe that our political system is broken. I believe we both believe that our enemies outside our borders are the same.

For instance a very simple notion that you won't buy Chinese made goods. I concur. Now being able to actually do it, is far more difficult to agree on. I also have taken note of some members on this board echo what others are suggesting they do in the domestic civil war going on. They propose to defeat their domestic political enemy, by making sure they not get their $$. I'm reminded of the campaign that the media championed that if we didn't donate to or support BLM we would suffer being socially outcasted as racist. Guilt us into supporting that cause. When BLM imploded, they just move on to the next weekly cause. Never once apologizing or say they will do a better job at anything. For any of the board members that donated to BLM. Sorry but not sorry. You wasted your ammo. Keep doing more of that.

I have agreed to those terms of combat. I don't shop anywhere that flys thier political agendas I disagree with. Example. I have not purchased one Nike product since they endorsed Kaepernick. Nor will I support any cause he is a part of. If it's advertised on CNN I won't buy it. CNN has ratings problems now. There is satisfaction in that. They paid damages to Sandmann. ALL GOOD.

In short I may not be able to defeat them on my own. But it leaves me more capital to spend on the things I think do.

And then I watch. Nike stock dropping? Good. I'll buy puts and make $$ on that trend. Nike will never benefit from my $$ if I can help it. My list grows. If they want economic war. Bring it.

You want my taxes? I won't give up anymore than I have to. Nobody in my govt is working for me anymore. Let the Libtards pay all the taxes. They will pay more than I will since we are declaring a proxy war on each other.

Where I think we begin to veer away from each other is what we use to justify our points. And its not personal. The internet has been a double edged sword. People use it as credible because that is exactly how they present it. In the absence of leadership, they seek it out somewhere. The internet has become a convenient flood of National Enquirer tabloids.

I have been in the middle of what is now being taught as history. What they teach as accurate history is nothing close to what I was in the middle of.

So by and large I tune out what I can't change. The machine that runs things is bigger than me. I just try and keep it from running over me.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Actually 9/11 led to the invasion of both Iraq and Afghanistan of which harbored and allowed Osama and his band of terrorists to train...

Dozens of terrorist training camps were eradicated in Afghanistan....

And the Taliban were able to float back and forth across the Pakistan border where NATO wasn't permitted to follow and target them as Pakistan forbid them......it took quite a bit for the SEAL team to conduct their operation against Osama leading to his capture.

Never were or was any Al Qaeda or terrorists in Iraq prior to our invasion
Never was any car bombs either. Infighting between Shia and Sunni yes. But Saddam did not ever allow any terrorists to train in his country as they were doing in Afg. Iraq had ZERO to do with 9/11.

 

[Bumblebee]

Never were or was any Al Qaeda or terrorists in Iraq prior to our invasion
Never was any car bombs either. Infighting between Shia and Sunni yes. But Saddam did not ever allow any terrorists to train in his country as they were doing in Afg. Iraq had ZERO to do with 9/11.

From what I've read before in mission reports, Al Qaeda were in Iraq....the difference is they kept a low profile as Hussein's regime kept them that way, but Saddam knew they were there and kept a blind eye towards them as they were operating in Iraq Kurdistan

The 2nd invasion of Iraq was hastened by 9/11 when US intelligence found the Hussein regime were allowing Al Qaeda to operate within their borders....amongst other issues...

Once the Hussein regime was disposed, ISIL stood up with the intent of claiming Iraq as their sovereign state...

 

[Red05]

I just drove from Baton Rouge to home in 2 days... 1700+ miles. Flew out and bought a car...

Pretty cool trip for a car. I've done similar. What'd you buy?

 

[Zerks]

Pretty cool trip for a car. I've done similar. What'd you buy?

Another 91 Vette... this one will be a driver... not another fun one like my 91 ZR-1 was for many years with plenty miles and smiles. Lets see what happens to the prices in the next 6 months or so... I still want to get a C6 ZR-1 or another C4 ZR-1 that is well sorted out... I like everything modified a little bit. Headers and a complete custom exhaust are the first thing that needs to be addressed.