Oops, Breaking The Rule Of "no Political Talk" For Me, But...

VaBusa

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Thank you social media, for this teaching opportunity for my sons, of every single thing to NOT do if and when an election does not go their way. I'm appalled by so many actions, from burning of our beloved flag, family disowning family because of election results, friends no longer friends. We are now an entire generation of individuals that can't accept real life when we're putting therapy dogs in classrooms and professors are allowing students to skip taking exams if you're traumatized by the election results. I don't claim either political party as mine; I actually pull from both sides very strong opinions, and well as opinions of my own, and I didn't base my vote Tuesday on misinformation shared in a meme. I've told my kids for weeks to always fact check everything they are being fed on social media.

I know I'd never react to any election by posting on social media our POTUS-elect should be assassinated, or by telling my friends to "eff off" because we aren't carbon copies of one another. I've told my sons, when you can vote, no matter how it turns out, you stand behind that President or we as a country are weaker. You don't have to agree with every policy or all decisions, and opinions are encouraged, but disrespect toward the POTUS is not how we make our country strong.

To be fair, I've also told them I have no idea how things would be today if this election had gone the other way, that there may have been exactly this same reaction, just from the other side. We can only speculate now. I've made it clear they rise above that, and respect the process, respect the outcome and don't spread the kind of hate seen across our country at this moment.

We are weak because we make it so, period. There's a fine line between exercising your right to protest and showing the world just how divided we are, but consider this - half of our country has felt the way the other half feels now for 8 years. We've never been more divided, and I've watched disrespect for the current administration that is equally appalling, though I can't say I've seen them burn the American flag. Nothing will change until we do. WE are the problem just as much as the politicians that aren't working for us. What I saw on Tuesday, and disagree if you want, is the election system and nearly half of this country revolting against the status quo. I also went to bed assuming I'd wake up knowing it would be 4 more years of the same as the last 8, and I'd respect that, educate myself and wait until the next election to work toward change. THAT is how this works. Get involved at the appropriate times to force the changes you want, EDUCATE YOURSELF beyond the memes on social media please, be a part of the process and then you respect that process.

I'm embarrassed, on the eve of Veteran's Day, on the 241st birthday of our beloved Marine Corps, to see a country so ripped apart by pure hated, to protests that are not peaceful, to trending topics like #NotMyPresident that I can do little more than educate my kids to always be better than this, no matter who they vote for in their near future or the outcome. RESPECT THE PROCESS and work toward change if you see a need for it, but hating half of the nation, from either side, and disrespecting fellow Americans is NOT something I'd ever tolerate, ever.
 
Tolerance and free speech is professed by the left until you disagree with them or they don't get what their way, then it's excoriate you and burn it down time. The melt down here is embarrassing but when you think about it the brainwashed generation that is acting out hasn't ever really experienced a failure of this type, they've just grown up in the Obama era and its professed utopia. This is cataclysmic and without equal for them...
 
..."Tolerance and free speech is professed by the left until you disagree with them or they don't get what their way, then it's excoriate you and burn it down time."

The same thing can and has been said about the right with glaring examples over the years. Bad behaviour isn't a party issue.
 
Have been catching a few of their tantrums on the news,remind me of a bunch of whiny 2 year olds(evidently a bunch of deadbeats since they spend their days crying in the streets rather than earning a living like the rest of us).They'll get over their little drama queen selves in a week or two and go back home to mommy and daddy,I only wish our finest would help them on their way.:super:
 
Have been catching a few of their tantrums on the news,remind me of a bunch of whiny 2 year olds(evidently a bunch of deadbeats since they spend their days crying in the streets rather than earning a living like the rest of us).They'll get over their little drama queen selves in a week or two and go back home to mommy and daddy,I only wish our finest would help them on their way.:super:
We have the same problem here, they're called maori . always believe we owe them a living,claim indigenous status (yeah right),eternal pity (poor me).their gimme gimme gimme mine mine mine attitude is what's killing this country . claim racism every time active dialogue is attempted to just discussion down
 
We have the same problem here, they're called maori . always believe we owe them a living,claim indigenous status (yeah right),eternal pity (poor me).their gimme gimme gimme mine mine mine attitude is what's killing this country . claim racism every time active dialogue is attempted to just discussion down

Oh geeze Mike really :mad:

FYI im half blooded Maori and proud of it :super:
 
I honestly think as far as elections go, this one was the tip of the iceberg so to speak. The generations coming up have not been raised properly. They have been taught they deserve handout, they deserve rewards for just being, they deserve they deserve. Its their right to this right to that. Todays age has access to social media, cameras, smart phone etc. This has helped to spur people self righteous indignation. We as parents and to a certain extent our parents as well helped to create this new generation of soft far left socialists. We have put the wrong people in power for too many years. We have rewarded the final finisher so much they think its ok not to try and not to excel. Why bother? They win either way right? I think its more in our faces now due to media, and the easy access to it. This has been going on and steadily getting worse for years. The problem is, have we gone past the tipping point? Are people ready to "man up" and make the proper changes to repair this? Is it possible to realize the 6 place finisher lost? How about the second place guy? Yup they lost too. Close the "safe rooms". Stop with PC bs. Tell the morally corrupt go back in your closet and stay there. We as a population are out of control.
 
Islam demands respect and demands no one takes the piss out of their 'religion' .... They get it.

Kids can't be smacked or punished, kids can't be losers and no discipline allowed at school anymore. The youth no longer respect their elders and need the world handed to them on a platter.

People are better off being unemployed and having kids than going out and working for a living.

Criminals have more human rights than their victims.

BLM unless its Black on Black.

Google / Starbucks / BP pay less tax than a normal working guy.

Bleeding heart liberals riot if they don't get their own way even though a majority voted against them.

The list goes on and on and on and on and on ...... And you wonder why this world is so fooked up ???
 
IN THE SPIRIT of Vabs Post trying to be a uniter rater than a divider, while I'm not really known for keeping my opinion to myself :) I'll say this: It was a good post. For 8 years a good portion of this country has had to live with leadership and policies they did not agree with. We protested peacefully, we didn't riot, destroy our own neighborhood or anyone else's stuff; we stewed about it, talked vigorously about it, but still went to work - all while being called every name in the book. I am appalled but not one bit surprised. If my side had lost, I would have had to square my chin, and still go to work, because I sure as hell wasn't leaving this country. For the first time in 8 years, I actually have some HOPE that my Daughter's life has a fighting chance of being better than mine, and I HOPE that this change to Make America Great Again works - for ALL Americans. The real work is only just beginning.
 
..."Tolerance and free speech is professed by the left until you disagree with them or they don't get what their way, then it's excoriate you and burn it down time."

The same thing can and has been said about the right with glaring examples over the years. Bad behaviour isn't a party issue.

This sort of they do it too response is pretty predictable and complete nonsense. Of course there is bad behavior on the other side but it doesn't remotely compare to this, not even close. These petulant, jobless, professional anarchists always show up doing the same disruptive, destructive agitating and are paid to do so by the likes of Soros, the DNC and Clinton's. That is a provable fact now thanks to Wikileaks and the Veritas videos. This is also part of why Hillary lost, were sick of being called racists, bigots, zenophobes, anti-immigrant, misogynists, and the list goes on.

I'm sorry but there is no comparison on the right for this and you should be thankful there isn't as someone's gotta pay the freight for this country by working for a living and we're also well armed...
 
I spent over an hour last night watching a man exercise his right to walk the streets of Columbus OH during a protest, wearing a Trump hat and t-shirt, saying that he was supporting his Commander in Chief elect...he was spit on, he was physically threatened, he was attacked, cussed at, had items he was carrying stolen and his phone he was live-streaming from knocked from his hand. He was told he couldn't walk through the crowd, told by a police officer he'd be asked to leave if he was inciting violence. All the while he kept his cool and never went after anyone. He was only inserting himself in the exact same process those protesting were in, just from the other side.

I feared for him, but loved that he showed those watching that these are not peaceful protests, and unity from most is not a goal. There were 2-3 very cool individuals that stopped to have civil conversations with this guy, but out of thousands, that's not enough to feel like we'll get both sides talking logically.

It was an eye-opener...
 
I spent over an hour last night watching a man exercise his right to walk the streets of Columbus OH during a protest, wearing a Trump hat and t-shirt, saying that he was supporting his Commander in Chief elect...he was spit on, he was physically threatened, he was attacked, cussed at, had items he was carrying stolen and his phone he was live-streaming from knocked from his hand. He was told he couldn't walk through the crowd, told by a police officer he'd be asked to leave if he was inciting violence. All the while he kept his cool and never went after anyone. He was only inserting himself in the exact same process those protesting were in, just from the other side.

I feared for him, but loved that he showed those watching that these are not peaceful protests, and unity from most is not a goal. There were 2-3 very cool individuals that stopped to have civil conversations with this guy, but out of thousands, that's not enough to feel like we'll get both sides talking logically.

It was an eye-opener...
People fear the unknown . Trump qualifies as that . he's made a lot of promises but positions always do. his are radical and controversial to say the least. those most scared are those who have lived off the cream of the land at the expense of the blue Coller workers. those men and women who are the engine room of any country . wether he keeps his promises time will tell, he may actually be down the track the best leader America has had or the one who started WW3. At least give him the chance. for those protesting for legitimate reasons , that's what democracy allows you. to the dude I may have passed off over the gun issue , I stand by my view that some weapons should not be available for private use ,but the right to defend your family is paramount . peace brother
 
..."Tolerance and free speech is professed by the left until you disagree with them or they don't get what their way, then it's excoriate you and burn it down time."

The same thing can and has been said about the right with glaring examples over the years. Bad behaviour isn't a party issue.
I agree with justintime2 on this...when Trump won, NBC hosts went on and on about how a bunch of uneducated rednecks from rural America voted him in. If the same was said during Obama's election about minority urban residents who are statistically more likely to be poor and uneducated that came out to vote for our first black president(which I can say I am very proud of even if I don't like his policies)...the left would have rioted over racism claims. There is a different standard for the left because they are so quick and loud about calling the right racist.
The rioting now is extremely hypocritical by protesting the democratic election process of the republic that grants the right to do so. It's almost comical if it wasn't hurting others economically. Stop having cry-ins, wearing diaper pins and saying he's not your president...he is until you leave the county dummIes :crazy:.
 
As I watched the election from over here - I am struck by:
How frightened about what is happening in America people around the world are,
How much of a laughing stock our government has become.

We really need to figure how to come together as a nation, before we implode - the way that we are turning on each other is absolutely insane. The Republican party had better get itself together - because now, all eyes are on them and there is no one else to blame - as for me, I don't blame either of the two major parties - I blame POLITICIANS -

Over the next four years, I would like to see discussion/action on:
Term Limits for Congress/Senate
Trickle down voting
an overhaul of entitlements/benefits for all categories of citizens (for the budget and for the benefit of the populace)
an enforcement of immigration laws and a recognition of what is and is not illegal

Anger and violence is the easy/lazy way to address things. Yes, in some cases, there is value in last resort/last stand scenarios, but these riots in many cases are not the last stand, they are the first option. We as a people are allowing ourselves to fall victim to our base nature and refusing to act with logic and reason. That (and the rioting/stigma being placed on Trump supporters) is exactly why there was such a mass silent vote - it is exactly why Trump won - it was the people exercising their will for a change in the way that the government operates. I did not vote for either Trump or Hillary, I voted for an Independent. I believe that the votes for Trump were truly votes for change to the American government.

I don't remember riots when President Obama was elected. I don't remember riots when he was reelected. Why are there riots now? Wait, I am sorry - what is the distinction between riots and protests?
 
The problem Shawn is that the rhetoric was fueled by the politicians. People are scared because President Obama said terrible things would happen if Trump were elected and Clinton said the same. Those followers of the Clinton / Obama team are now scared to death because of what the democratic candidates have spouted off about for the last year.

I read an article a few minutes ago that said that the Riots are representing 6 basic demands.

1. Dump Trump > They want the electoral votes to not represent Trump and they want the electoral college to go away.
2. Build Bridges not walls > They dont want the immigration changes Trump campaigned on.
3. Making a statement > They want everyone to know that they don't agree with Trumps stand on LGBT, color, and rhetoric against these demographics called out.
4. Trump Denounce his comments > They want him to denounce all the things he said that they didn't agree with.
5. Not My President > They want it known that they do not agree with Trump and they dont want to be associated with him.

Where the healing starts is when the democrtatic party starts to diffuse this and lead their followers in that the ymight have fueled the fear and worry and that while Trumps comments were deplorable folks need to start talking and not rioting...

thats when it gets fixed, leaders leading !
 
I don't disagree with what you are saying at all- but we as a society have dumbed ourselves down to the point that we don't look into things for ourselves.

So, as a people we are headed towards complete idiocracy. We believe what we are fed and accept that as fact. As for the protests, a valid point has been raised here, if these same types of protests had happened when President Obama had been elected, what would the backlash have been?

Instead, it is okay to state that it is uneducated white people who came out in droves to elect Donald Trump. However, people are over looking the fact that there are Obama supporters who crossed the party line and voted for Trump- and that is a message and a statement that the Democrats should not ignore. Additionally- I will say this (as I have said before). There was no problem when it looked as though the electoral college would fall on the side of Democrats. The worst time to argue the speed limit is while a cop is writing you a ticket. If people want changes to the electoral system, then maybe they should care for more than just the week before and a week after an election.
 
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You are spot on, no one cared about the inner workings of our election process until it did not serve their purpose...



I see the current situation like I do with so many other things... As a Christian, Baptist to be specific I will absolutely take a stand against the group called Westboro Baptist for what they say, how they say it and where they say it. They claim to be Christians and use the same scripture I do but I will go head to head with them in a discussion all day every day to show why they are wrong. I will stand against them even through they carry the same name, Why? Because they are wrong... We need this same attitude when there is a terrorist attack and it is actioned by Extreme Muslim Terrorist and we need people to stand up and call out Donald Trump, President Obama, Hillary Clinton and anyone else that spouts pure garbage and rhetoric. I don't agree with all the Republican party even though I tend to lean that way I always look for the BEST solution I can find. The longer we all know each other here on the forum the more we all agree that we just want what is best for our country.. Chelle and I have the exact same concept, look at all the facts then let's talk about....

I am not a Trump supporter, I think both candidates are terrible.. The super sad part is that what we are witnessing is the very best that the poltics in America can produce to present to the American people... Now... They ALL need to go, Fail for GOP represenatives, fail for democratic represenatives and there has to be change, any change is better than party line conformity!
 
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