New Jersey State Police at their best
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StwBusa
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Who the heck wants to steal a ZX10?
I HATE slow peeps in the left lane, but I HATE tailgaters even more. If a cop ever did that to me, I'd brake check the living heck outta him, then stop and be clutching my neck/back.
I've seen more accidents in my life from tailgaters than from people driving slow no matter what the reason behind it is, and what lane they were in.
I like EVERYTHING the cop did EXCEPT the tailgating. If he would have gotten brake checked, crashed and they sued, then the tax payers would have to pay for that lawsuit, and it wouldn't be nearly as cool, would it?
Well said!!!!!!!! Cop was an idiot too!!!!
there was a kawi in the HOV lane doing the same thing on the way to work last week. the CHP officer got all in his ass, then moved to the right lane, got right beside him, then slowed down and got behind him again. after about 2-3 minutes the bike saw him and moved over. then POOF the officer was gone.
No he wasn't, he was simply tired of dealing with stupid, irrational, head up a** people. Cops are just other members of the community but they have to deal with the worst of the worst and it wears on them.
BTW, what's tailgating for grandpa is not the same for a professional driver, wheather it's a Nascar racer or an experienced officer.
StwBusa
Banned
You can't compare this to a "professional driver" it has nothing to do with his skills, it has everything to do with reaction time. Again, I'm not against what the cop did, I'm against how he did it..
The following is stolen from the internet..
A vehicle traveling at 60 mph covers 88 feet per second. But stopping that vehicle takes over 4.5 seconds and covers a distance of 271 feet. Why? Because there's more involved in braking than the actual time your brakes are applied to the wheels (called "effective braking"). In particular, "perception time" and "reaction time" add considerable distance to stopping your car. Perception time is the three-quarters of a second it takes for you to realize that you need to brake. Reaction time is the three-quarters of a second it takes to move your foot to the brake pedal. When you combine perception and reaction time, a full 132 feet will pass before your car even begins to slow down from 60 mph. So from the time you perceive a braking situation until the time your car comes to a complete stop, a total of 4.6 seconds elapses. During that time your car travels — it bears repeating — a total of more than 270 feet. That's almost the length of a football field.
That cop in the video was closer than even 1 second behind that car. Most likely he was closer that the 3/4 sec that it even takes for your brain to realize that the brakes have even come on...
Listen Holmes, you're choosing the wrong man to be sarcastic with. If you want to disagree, fine, we'll go back and forth with our interpetation of the facts and everyone will be better at the end, no matter who makes more sense. Start talking down to others on the org and you make a mistake because you bring disrespect into the mix.
Nobody has "magical brakes" but at the high performance driver training facility for peace officers in Los Angeles County, myself and hundreds of other street cops spent dozens of hours in combat/tactical driving situations that honed our skills including reaction time....it can be reduced significantly through practice. If you can't get that reality, you are not an equal participant in this conversation.
I completely agree with you, but you also should see the other side of this, and realize that your superior officers would have MAJOR ISSUES with the amount of space between that squad car and the car in front of it. ESPECIALLY in a non-emergency situation. That's all I'm saying...
Ok... Do me a favour... watch the video again.. At the point the Cop lights up he was perhaps 3 feet from the other guys rear bumper at around 50-60 miles an hour!!!! You call that responsible driving???
The other driver was an idiot... No doubt!! But 2 wrongs do not make a right..
jetsetter
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Professional driver?
In my humble opinion, I'd put me in my car against any random cop in his crown vic in that situation of being able to avoid a collision with a vehicle I was following, and there is no way I'd follow that close if I were considering it a possibility the car in front may bump his brakes. Put me in front of that officer and he'd eat my bumper hard, if I decided I wanted him to. That's quite a risk he's taking with my tax money to be letting the squatter in the fast lane decide whether I have to buy him a new car and pay his bogus law suit. Pull the guy over, give him a ticket, take him to jail, revoke his license, hang him at high noon in front of the court house, tie him to an ant hill and pour honey over his naked body and make his kids watch. I don't care what the punishment should be for squatting, but do it from a reasonable distance. He's supposed to be a professional alright, and that should mean he's responsible. He needs to back off! He's not a professional driver, and if he were a professional driver he'd be making an amazing living doing it while an ambulance was on site waiting to take him and the other professionals to the hospital when the inevitable crash he's going to have happens. Do we need a compilation of professionals crashing?
In my humble opinion, I'd put me in my car against any random cop in his crown vic in that situation of being able to avoid a collision with a vehicle I was following, and there is no way I'd follow that close if I were considering it a possibility the car in front may bump his brakes. Put me in front of that officer and he'd eat my bumper hard, if I decided I wanted him to. That's quite a risk he's taking with my tax money to be letting the squatter in the fast lane decide whether I have to buy him a new car and pay his bogus law suit. Pull the guy over, give him a ticket, take him to jail, revoke his license, hang him at high noon in front of the court house, tie him to an ant hill and pour honey over his naked body and make his kids watch. I don't care what the punishment should be for squatting, but do it from a reasonable distance. He's supposed to be a professional alright, and that should mean he's responsible. He needs to back off! He's not a professional driver, and if he were a professional driver he'd be making an amazing living doing it while an ambulance was on site waiting to take him and the other professionals to the hospital when the inevitable crash he's going to have happens. Do we need a compilation of professionals crashing?
StwBusa
Banned
Look
Tailgating is wrong and dangerous no matter how much training anyone has had... That cop was 3 feet from the other driver at 50ish Mph... Totally irresponsible driving....
You can't compare this to a "professional driver" it has nothing to do with his skills, it has everything to do with reaction time. Again, I'm not against what the cop did, I'm against how he did it..
The following is stolen from the internet..
A vehicle traveling at 60 mph covers 88 feet per second. But stopping that vehicle takes over 4.5 seconds and covers a distance of 271 feet. Why? Because there's more involved in braking than the actual time your brakes are applied to the wheels (called "effective braking"). In particular, "perception time" and "reaction time" add considerable distance to stopping your car. Perception time is the three-quarters of a second it takes for you to realize that you need to brake. Reaction time is the three-quarters of a second it takes to move your foot to the brake pedal. When you combine perception and reaction time, a full 132 feet will pass before your car even begins to slow down from 60 mph. So from the time you perceive a braking situation until the time your car comes to a complete stop, a total of 4.6 seconds elapses. During that time your car travels — it bears repeating — a total of more than 270 feet. That's almost the length of a football field.
That cop in the video was closer than even 1 second behind that car. Most likely he was closer that the 3/4 sec that it even takes for your brain to realize that the brakes have even come on...
I disagree with your analysis for a few reasons, regretably I can't speak to them right now (family activities) if this is going on later, I will post my rebutal. Mind you I'm not supporting tailgating, just the variables connected with this particular situation.
StwBusa
Banned
I'm not trying to get into an e-fight here, but I would like to hear your side of the story. Also, remember my "stats" were pulled from the internet, I didn't make them up, but I can't guarantee that someone else didn't.
As far as I'm concerned the "variables" with this situation are about the worst variables you could have for proving that the officer in the video isn't doing something that he shouldn't be doing. If there was an emergency situation happening that the cop needed to be past him without hitting his lights or siren, then I could see an argument, but in this video, it certainly looks like the cop is just in a hurry, and the speed limit doesn't apply to him... I've seen this particular behavior many times here locally at shift change, I've witnessed countless officers hitting their lights and sirens to run red lights only to turn them off again afterwards, and continue on their merry way back to the station, McDonalds, etc..
I respect and thank the law officers out there, but you should remember you are not above the law. You are here to enforce the rules, and should lead by example. Again, I say all this with the most utmost respect, just realize that with ANY profession, there are just as many bad apples as good ones...
OK, I'm back. I believe there are two independant issues occuring at the same time here. First, the absolute wrongness of obstructing the "fastlane" (#1 lane) for whatever reason. We probably all agree about that. The second issue is the following too close issue of the LEO. Yeah, it is wrong to follow too close, I would be really wrong to state otherwise.
The variable I speak of is as follows....I spent a really hard career as an innercity cop in LA.(please don't think I'm posturing or bragging) every bit as dangerous and "on the edge" as Viet Nam. I saw more pain and violence in a month than most LEO's see in a career. I drove too fast, sometimes on the sidewalk for that matter, took corners in four wheel drifts, spun out suspect cars in pursuits and even lost a good friend to a gunshot. Every one of those events were done in the interest of saving a victim, catching a very bad person, getting somewhere before more people died, etc. So I guess I'm hypersensitive when the automatic criticism of a cop surfaces. Maybe he was wrong but I just can't describe what it's like when you have more adreniline than blood running through your veins in those situations. The other thing is those events are cumulative in nature.....in other words, if I was just urinated on, spat on or biten by a suspect 2 hours ago, I might not be the best at community relations right now.
So, for me, the context of a situation is always a lot more than what's visible on a tape and yes, I usually have more empathy for the copper whose job is to go into the back door of society when people are at their worst. As a field Sergeant, lord knows I disciplined many working coppers for imprudence but on the other hand, I was forgiving in a lot of sutuations as well.
BTW, I'm sorry if I was unnecessarily aggressive. Doyle
The variable I speak of is as follows....I spent a really hard career as an innercity cop in LA.(please don't think I'm posturing or bragging) every bit as dangerous and "on the edge" as Viet Nam. I saw more pain and violence in a month than most LEO's see in a career. I drove too fast, sometimes on the sidewalk for that matter, took corners in four wheel drifts, spun out suspect cars in pursuits and even lost a good friend to a gunshot. Every one of those events were done in the interest of saving a victim, catching a very bad person, getting somewhere before more people died, etc. So I guess I'm hypersensitive when the automatic criticism of a cop surfaces. Maybe he was wrong but I just can't describe what it's like when you have more adreniline than blood running through your veins in those situations. The other thing is those events are cumulative in nature.....in other words, if I was just urinated on, spat on or biten by a suspect 2 hours ago, I might not be the best at community relations right now.
So, for me, the context of a situation is always a lot more than what's visible on a tape and yes, I usually have more empathy for the copper whose job is to go into the back door of society when people are at their worst. As a field Sergeant, lord knows I disciplined many working coppers for imprudence but on the other hand, I was forgiving in a lot of sutuations as well.
BTW, I'm sorry if I was unnecessarily aggressive. Doyle
StwBusa
Banned
Great post.... I can fully empathize with what you say.... Just please understand that, as I have already stated in previous posts, that the driver blocking traffic was a complete idiot... But my point was that the cops actions did not improve the situation and were definitely irresponsible... I hope you understand that my opinion is one that is based on the fact that I believe cops (although human) should always, given their training, be the ones who act responsibly and with due care and consideration for the safety of all those around them and in this instance that did not happen.....
BiggDaddyBusa08
Registered
Well being from Jersey and also being a truck driver, I see this almost every night on the NJ TPK. As per NJ law SLOW traffic must MOVE to the right hand lane. Also COMMON SENSE tells you if there is a cop behind you and your in the left lane, FREAKIN MOVE!!!!!
geeezzzz people know the of the road. These are also the same drivers that will do 55 mph in the center lane of a 65 mph roadway and wont move out of the way even when I flash the lights on them asking them nicely. Most of them are holding the phone to their ear or texting which in this state is illegal. When I get space to pass them on the right I just BLAST my airhorn and scare the crap outta them...
geeezzzz people know the
of the road. These are also the same drivers that will do 55 mph in the center lane of a 65 mph roadway and wont move out of the way even when I flash the lights on them asking them nicely. Most of them are holding the phone to their ear or texting which in this state is illegal. When I get space to pass them on the right I just BLAST my airhorn and scare the crap outta them...Similar threads
