My take on the world as we know it"christan view"

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Great read, I couldn't agree more with what pusher has stated. I've been MIA for a couple days or I would've jumped in sooner.

God gave everyone free will to decide who they will serve, there's only two choices and riding the fence doesn't count.
 

most of you know me and what i stand for, i know this is a busa board,im sorry if i offend, but this is my take on the world as we know it know.

i have set back and said nothing with the christian/antichristian fighthing on here before the capt put a mercifully end to that.

so lets get started.
america is in worse shape than you have any ideal its in.
so is the rest of the world. As compared to what? money wise the world is shot.
im going to use simpile terms on all this.
the world is hollering for one world currency.
now where is this written it would happen ? Where?
with one world currency comes what ?
one world goverment.
where is this written ? Where?one world goverment comes what ? one world leader
where is this written ? Where?
since the bible has been written, not one word not one tittle not one dot has or can be disproven. never has never will.Jonah 1:17 says, "...Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights" Johna was in the belly of a whale. Whales are not fish. Therefore this is wrong. My point is that there are many contradictions and factual errors, so falling on your sword about it is silly. The message is what is important, the examples to follow are important. Whether or not it is all true is irrevelant.
the world as we knew it a few years back is gone, it will be no more, sorry for the disapointment, your looking at a whole new faster paced world now.
the money situation will improve, but not the good most think.
people that dont believe in GOD or say they dont, actually do, just to afraid to admit it. why ? afraid they will have to give up something to be closer to our father. expect worse things to start coming, read daniel then you can understand revelations. its not a pretty sight to where we are headed, i have been led by the holy spirit this morning to write this, if it helps one person then my job is completed.
for those that do not understand the bible here it is
in the end. the grand us of a is not mentioned. meaning
we are no longer a power , are we not headed that route now ? Or the USA did not exist at the time of the bible beign writtenwhat is the best way to make a strong enemy weak ? spread his defenses.
take a look, how spread out the us of a is around the world. oh you want to say but we have nuclear weapons to defend ourselves. ok i agree, but who controls that ? who controls you and i ? our lord in heaven. not one thing will happen without his ok of it. thats right God has to approve anything the evil one does. back to the world we know it. Then what is the point of worrying about it?what is the greatest invention to take man and GOD apart ?



electricity. I would say the printing press.
our elected goverment in the white house right now does not have a clue on what to do to fix our problems, and they will keep running around with no clue. nor does the world have a clue to fix the money problems.
a long read is it not. im sorry about that. then theres more than money problems, lets look at the growing rate of crime Crime rates are falling in some areas and still lower than in past years/ lets look at the new sounds and sights in space Ok lets look at them they are facinating, but how do they relate to what you are talking about?/ lets look at you and i. the old world is gone, get ready the new world is forming before your eyes. yea its been said for 2000 years, but and its a huge but, the signs were not in place as they are now Please elaborate, no more signs need to be in place all have been fullfilled just as our holy bible has stated it would be Please elaborate. please think long and hard before trying to destroy what i have said, you will answer to our lord one day for your actions so will i. I am not trying to destroy anything you have said I am simply asking for clarification and a deeper explaination based upon my knowledge that things on this planet have been much worse in the past.GOD is great and he leaves no detail nothing not one thing left unnoticed, if you feel your a nothing, your not, somewhere in your life GOD will or has used you for his grand plan, everone, i mean everone. with all this said i am not saying do not enjoy riding your busa or modding them, keep on doing that, if it makes you happy and you do it in its on proper time, God is happy for you.
im not a nut just someone that reads and understand where and why we are on our present path, and yes i can tell you the future, but so can you if you just read revelations.
let me give you one last thought to ponder

take a long look at your hand or leg or foot, think of what is inside it and keeping it alive. think about it. theres a grand design that built that, theres more to life than the part of your body you see, one day its back to the earth it came from, leaving only the soul that GOD so lovingly loaned us.
listen i will not waste your time or mine to defend what i have writtien it is the truth and the bottom line is you know it. but i still love each and everone of you all the same.

I have read this a couple times and really wanted to consider a reply.

I have the utmost respect for your belief in what is written in the Bible and the wonderful message that is found within. As a Christian I share many of the same beliefs.

However I think you are missing the message of the bible if you are trying to template world events today with what is written in Revelations. Truth is things are really not that bad and have been much worse in history.

So what if the economy were to collapse? It might even lead to people turning to one another for support, neighbor helping neighbor, it might even bring people closer together. To me this would be a great outcome.


I think it is sad that so many good Christians feel that they need to make posts like this to warn of how BAD things are. They really are not.

1/4 to 1/2 of the total population of Europe died as a result of the Bubonic Plague.

6 million innocent Jews were murdered in 4-5 years during World War II. 50 to 70 million total died.

There were 51,000 causalities in 3 days during the battle of Gettysburg.

Millions were killed during the first world war.

I could go on and on but I hope you get my point that we are not seeing any violence to this magnitude. The world is violent but relatively peaceful in comparison to other points in history.

So what is really so bad about things today?

I don't fear socialism or taxation or what ever the government throws at us I really don't care, I live my life simply, I don't have much so there is not much to take. I don't care if your money is taken or my money is taken to help someone less fortunate. It is not for me to judge whether or not they are worthy of receiving assistance, I leave that up to God.

I'd like to know what you are seeing as the "signs" you mention in your post and what you see as really being so bad. I have added questions above.

Again I fully respect your belief in the Bible, I just respectfully disagree with your hypothesis that the book of revelations can be templated on world events.

If you have time please take a look at the questions I have raised above if you care to.

Cheers
 
silver you dont need me to explain anything you allready seem to have all the answers. mine are straight and true, if you need clarifcation talk to your preacher i do not have the time now to debate someone over what i see is happening and coming. let me ask you something, if your a true christian has GOD lead you to do something ? if so did you ? i did what i was lead to do not by man but by GOD, if you question it ask him also,hes your master he will tell you , he will give you the answer you seek. if i really wanted to debate you i would, i see no purpose in it other than more and more anti-God post, you know this in your heart also. so im going to let dead dogs lie,i will not post up to anything else in this thread, i spoke my peace. the facts are there yes the book of daniel and revelations are templated on todays world . sometimes when you learn revelations you understand things clearer. you see it for what it is. very good of you to ask questions, right now im out of time to answer. want more read ezekiel his prophecys are for today also. sorry i beat around the bush and did not give you a direct answer. maybe later on when GOD is ready for you to understand. mark 13:28-29-30

mark13:23 but take ye heed:behold, i have foretold you all things.
one answer to one question for you, america why are we here ? to protect israel, when our protection stops which is very soon so is americas fate sealed.
 
silver you dont need me to explain anything you allready seem to have all the answers. mine are straight and true, if you need clarifcation talk to your preacher i do not have the time now to debate someone over what i see is happening and coming. let me ask you something, if your a true christian has GOD lead you to do something ? if so did you ? i did what i was lead to do not by man but by GOD, if you question it ask him also,hes your master he will tell you , he will give you the answer you seek. if i really wanted to debate you i would, i see no purpose in it other than more and more anti-God post, you know this in your heart also. so im going to let dead dogs lie,i will not post up to anything else in this thread, i spoke my peace. the facts are there yes the book of daniel and revelations are templated on todays world .sometimes when you learn revelations you understand things clearer. you see it for what it is. very good of you to ask questions, right now im out of time to answer. want more read ezekiel his prophecys are for today also. sorry i beat around the bush and did not give you a direct answer. maybe later on when GOD is ready for you to understand. mark 13:28-29-30

mark13:23 but take ye heed:behold, i have foretold you all things.
one answer to one question for you, america why are we here ? to protect israel, when our protection stops which is very soon so is americas fate sealed.

I am sorry that you feel my asking you to clarify your statements is something you don't have time for. I also do not profess to have all the answers, not at all. I do think it is irresponsible, as a Christian, to make a post like you did full of ambiguities and then retreat from further discussion. Nothing about this should be construed as anti-god nor should the debate be about whether or not any of this will happen. We can agree that the bible spells it out pretty clearly. I am in disagreement with you on this being the begining of the end. If you truely believe: "the facts are there yes the book of daniel and revelations are templated on todays world ." then all I ask is that you discuss the facts and where they are templated within the Book of Revelations.
 
if you need a book, and a priest or pastor to tell you what is right and wrong...cool. some of us do not.

i have no problem with people wanting to save others, perhaps religion saved you. i have friends that feel that way. i have friends that traded thier adddiction for drugs, for an addiction to the lord. cool...have at it.

however, the idea that bad things did not happen until the country took religion out of public schools is both closed minded and wrong.

it seems to me there were lots of bad things that occurred while god was still in the classroom...

slavery?
womans sufferage?
the great depression?

if you want to believe, fine.....but this country was based on a separation of church and state. so please feel freee to keep your religion out school government.
 
I am sorry that you feel my asking you to clarify your statements is something you don't have time for. I also do not profess to have all the answers, not at all. I do think it is irresponsible, as a Christian, to make a post like you did full of ambiguities and then retreat from further discussion. Nothing about this should be construed as anti-god nor should the debate be about whether or not any of this will happen. We can agree that the bible spells it out pretty clearly. I am in disagreement with you on this being the begining of the end. If you truely believe: "the facts are there yes the book of daniel and revelations are templated on todays world ." then all I ask is that you discuss the facts and where they are templated within the Book of Revelations.

As Joseph said, nothing more needs to be discussed, and Joseph isnt retreating. he said what he had to say.

Discussing issues with you is useless because you will argue your point close mindedly.

If you are a Christian, as Joseph said go to your pastor and ask for clarifitcation. Stop trying to drag Joseph into an argument. There is no reason for it.
 
As Joseph said, nothing more needs to be discussed, and Joseph isnt retreating. he said what he had to say.

Discussing issues with you is useless because you will argue your point close mindedly.

If you are a Christian, as Joseph said go to your pastor and ask for clarifitcation. Stop trying to drag Joseph into an argument. There is no reason for it.

He is the one that posted it, not me. I am just asking for clarification because like I said it is irresponsible for Christians to make posts like this that offer nothing but gloom and doom then profess it as "truth" then run away as soon as they are questioned about it. I am not saying he is a bad guy nor am I disrespecting his religious conviction. I thourghly disagree with his analysis but I am willing to hear him out to learn more about his line of thought.

What is close minded about asking someone to explain their position? What is close minded about having an honest and respectful discussion?

It is close minded to post the stuff Joseph did,and you agreed with, then refuse to discuss it.
 
I do think it is irresponsible, as a Christian, to make a post like you did full of ambiguities and then retreat from further discussion. .

I have to agree with you on this, If he didn't want to discuss it then he should not have written it.
He should have gone to his pastor and discussed it with him, or his family.
This is not a religious forum and some people will take offense to what has been written and to not except people to respond is ridiculous.
 
its a discussion, simple as that. Pusher & Thrasherfox have put in enough time here that they, as most of us, should be allowed to discontinue his or her portion of a convo as they see fit. Who are u, or anyone else, to say that another person is not permitted to "leave" a convo.......Live & let live brothers.....take a breath & leave it alone
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