Government mandated birth control

[VaBusa]

The ability of women to be in charge of their ability to reproduce has contributed to the advancement of women in the workforce. So I would disagree VABusa and say that society does need women to have access to birth control.

I'm so glad you're so pro-woman

Your logic is so flawed...I'll go one step further and say that men should have the gov't pay for their vasectomies too...too funny

[Dino]

I'm so glad you're so pro-woman

Your logic is so flawed...I'll go one step further and say that men should have the gov't pay for their vasectomies too...too funny

"The pill" provided many women a more affordable way to avoid pregnancy. Before the pill was introduced many women did not look for long term jobs. Previously, the typical women would jump out of the job market when she got impregnated and would reenter it back when her child was of school attending age.[6] Abortion was too expensive and there were too many health risks involved. We can see a trend in the increasing age of women at first marriage in the decades between 1930-1970 after contraception was provided to non-married females.[7] As part of the woman's quiet sexual revolution, pills gave women control over their future.[8] In a way, the ability to pursue higher education without the thought of pregnancy, gave women more equality in educational attainment. Since women could have a choice to use birth control to finish their education, a higher percentage graduated from school and college ultimately gaining professional careers.[9]

^ "The Quiet Revolution in Woman's Labor Force Participation", Leah Boustan, ECON 183 LEC 1: Development of Economic Institutions in U.S.,2009 at [5]
^ "The Quiet Revolution in Woman's Labor Force Participation", Leah Boustan, ECON 183 LEC 1: Development of Economic Institutions in U.S.,2011 at [6]
^ "Rocking the Cradle: Downsizing the New England Family", Gloria L. Main, Journal of Interdisciplinary History 37.1, 2006, pp. 35-58
^ "The Quiet Revolution in Woman's Labor Force Participation", Leah Boustan, ECON 183 LEC 1: Development of Economic Institutions in U.S.,2011 at [7]

Sexual revolution in 1960s America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Dino]

http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/goldin/files/pillpaper.pdf


I realize it is only Harvard so their logic could also be flawed...???

[VaBusa]

Hey Steph, when someone wants to hop on the band wagon to help a more noble cause, such as "cancer treatment for all that need it" or "life-saving meds for free for those that can't afford it", let's talk. Fluke is pushing for a drug for all women that is, for the most part, a completely ELECTIVE drug. There are other options for birth control, including abstinence. I'm fine with all chipping in for those truly in need of life-saving drugs, but I sure as hell don't care to pay for the women of the world that want $3000/year BC. I know for a fact Flukes numbers are overly exaggerated because I've purchased BC for much of my life, both under insurance plans and not. I've paid copays and full price, and the generics are not going to set any woman back $3000/year. What women like her really want is the choice to try this and that, see what they find most convenient (I don't feel like remembering a pill a day doc....whaaaaa), and guys like you want the American public to foot the bill. You can color it all you want with flowers and talk of the sexual revolution, but until someone steps up and says "Hey, I see cancer patients dying because they can't afford health care", I'll care.

BIRTH CONTROL is an elective drug with other options in lieu of it...it's kind of like saying the gov't should foot the bill for weight-loss surgeries over all of the other options out there. This American isn't buying in to it...ELECTIVE. Look that up...

[lil charlie]

What??? How did this turn into a woman falling out of the work place if she doesn't have access to BC.

I guess i need to go back and re read that stuff.

[Dino]

Hey Steph, when someone wants to hop on the band wagon to help a more noble cause, such as "cancer treatment for all that need it" or "life-saving meds for free for those that can't afford it", let's talk. Fluke is pushing for a drug for all women that is, for the most part, a completely ELECTIVE drug. There are other options for birth control, including abstinence. I'm fine with all chipping in for those truly in need of life-saving drugs, but I sure as hell don't care to pay for the women of the world that want $3000/year BC. I know for a fact Flukes numbers are overly exaggerated because I've purchased BC for much of my life, both under insurance plans and not. I've paid copays and full price, and the generics are not going to set any woman back $3000/year. What women like her really want is the choice to try this and that, see what they find most convenient (I don't feel like remembering a pill a day doc....whaaaaa), and guys like you want the American public to foot the bill. You can color it all you want with flowers and talk of the sexual revolution, but until someone steps up and says "Hey, I see cancer patients dying because they can't afford health care", I'll care.

BIRTH CONTROL is an elective drug with other options in lieu of it...it's kind of like saying the gov't should foot the bill for weight-loss surgeries over all of the other options out there. This American isn't buying in to it...ELECTIVE. Look that up...

You are right, Michelle, I mean who really cares whether or not Birth Control has contributed to more women getting educated and entering the workforce.

[Dino]

What??? How did this turn into a woman falling out of the work place if she doesn't have access to BC.

I guess i need to go back and re read that stuff.

VABusa took it down this trail when she commented that women don't really NEED birth control. That may be true on an individual level but the benefits to women as demographic indicate that they do need it to continue to progress toward equality.

[VaBusa]

You know what I find almost pathetic, and this isn't directed at you necessarily, Steph, but more at the first links you posted about the sexual revolution? It's the simple fact that on one hand, women are being touted as close to equals in the work force, and that pregnancy is one thing that hinders their personal growth. Studies like those that have been presented almost paint women as incapable of being in control of their own destiny, of their own bodies. It's like we're all allowed to walk a certain path, but oh no, she just up and got pregnant. How can the gov't fix that? Oh I know, provide birth control for them all, and say it's so they can go on to live fulfilling lives As a woman, I find that line of thinking completely sad and incredibly wrong, as well as insulting. I guess I could post up studies about how men leaving their kids lead to kids having unfulfilled lives, and how the gov't should be paying for us all to have special classes on how to stay in a marriage, you know, for the sake of the kids...hell, we could sit and cite crap like this all night long, but the bottom line is as adults, we all have a responsibility to ourselves to make informed decisions. I don't need the gov't standing by me, helping me not make a bad mistake...if anything, women should be pissed about the gov't even thinking this is a good idea.

And, what I like about being able to say these things is that I say them without prejudice for the left or the right. Like I said earlier in this thread, from the very get-go, this is a bad idea. I don't need to mire my views down with politics or religion; Fluke is wrong for asking of this and if our current administration pushes for it and wins, they're wrong too.

[lil charlie]

Okay... i dont get it. Is it just me?

[VaBusa]

You are right, Michelle, I mean who really cares whether or not Birth Control has contributed to more women getting educated and entering the workforce.

That is probably the most condescending statement you've ever made.

[VaBusa]

VABusa took it down this trail when she commented that women don't really NEED birth control. That may be true on an individual level but the benefits to women as demographic indicate that they do need it to continue to progress toward equality.

OMG, unreal...

[VaBusa]

What??? How did this turn into a woman falling out of the work place if she doesn't have access to BC.

I guess i need to go back and re read that stuff.

Oh Charlie, you missed it. I just realized women need the gov't to help them achieve greatness

[raydog]

Well, here's my sumation....Rush is an obese, pompous blowhard, BC pills clearly fill MANY more medical needs besides avoiding pregnancy, the "personhood" ammendment is bizarre, JFK's speech does NOT make me vommit, we don't need a moonbase, my wife does not have two Cadillacs and......Osama Bin Laden is dead. Sir Ray of Dogville

[Dino]

You know what I find almost pathetic, and this isn't directed at you necessarily, Steph, but more at the first links you posted about the sexual revolution? It's the simple fact that on one hand, women are being touted as close to equals in the work force, and that pregnancy is one thing that hinders their personal growth. Studies like those that have been presented almost paint women as incapable of being in control of their own destiny, of their own bodies. It's like we're all allowed to walk a certain path, but oh no, she just up and got pregnant. How can the gov't fix that? Oh I know, provide birth control for them all, and say it's so they can go on to live fulfilling lives As a woman, I find that line of thinking completely sad and incredibly wrong, as well as insulting. I guess I could post up studies about how men leaving their kids lead to kids having unfulfilled lives, and how the gov't should be paying for us all to have special classes on how to stay in a marriage, you know, for the sake of the kids...hell, we could sit and cite crap like this all night long, but the bottom line is as adults, we all have a responsibility to ourselves to make informed decisions. I don't need the gov't standing by me, helping me not make a bad mistake...if anything, women should be pissed about the gov't even thinking this is a good idea.

And, what I like about being able to say these things is that I say them without prejudice for the left or the right. Like I said earlier in this thread, from the very get-go, this is a bad idea. I don't need to mire my views down with politics or religion; Fluke is wrong for asking of this and if our current administration pushes for it and wins, they're wrong too.

Be insulted if you like but history is what it is and women collectively benefited through having access to birth control. So if you believe our society is better off having educated women in the workforce it only makes sense to make birth control safe, available and covered by health insurance.

[VaBusa]

Hey, I know I won't change your mind. Don't care really, but I'll stand by all I've said as someone that's actually dealt with all of this, the ups and downs, the good and bad. I sleep at night knowing I didn't take a gov't handout to help me be responsible...

[Mr Brown]

You are right, Michelle, I mean who really cares whether or not Birth Control has contributed to more women getting educated and entering the workforce.

One could argue that almost anything has CONTRIBUTED to more women becoming educated and entering the workforce, but 99.99% of the factors (including access to birth control) are so small as to be virtually insignificant. It's not a logical argument. I know you feel as if you are the resident voice of liberalism on this board, but doesn't mean you should present fallacy as fact. You sound ridiculous arguing about women's rights with an intelligent woman, reminds me of the pro-life jackhats that kill abortion doctors to prove how much they care about life......

[Mr Brown]

Hey, I know I won't change your mind. Don't care really, but I'll stand by all I've said as someone that's actually dealt with all of this, the ups and downs, the good and bad. I sleep at night knowing I didn't take a gov't handout to help me be responsible...

How any man can think he has a more relevant set of life experiences than you on this topic with you is beyond my capacity to comprehend. On behalf of all men, I apologize.

[Dino]

That is probably the most condescending statement you've ever made.

Sorry that was sarcasm. I don't actually feel this way, of course…

[VaBusa]

How any man can think he has a more relevant set of life experiences than you on this topic with you is beyond my capacity to comprehend. On behalf of all men, I apologize.

Absolutely no need to apologize J! Everyone is entitled to their opinion I'm tougher than most; I can take it

[Dino]

Hey, I know I won't change your mind. Don't care really, but I'll stand by all I've said as someone that's actually dealt with all of this, the ups and downs, the good and bad. I sleep at night knowing I didn't take a gov't handout to help me be responsible...

Who is talking about a government handout??? This is about insurance companies covering BC in health insurance policies that people pay for.