Push inside the lean, pull outside the lean is the same difference. You seem to be saying that a racer at full lean in the Apex is never neutral on the bars. And that the front tire doesn't kick out on its own. Do I understand what you're saying? *let's just use the picture of Marquez
No worries, that's what these forums are for. But I'm not sure the Japanese Gymkhana guys are as determined to never use the clutch as you. After 15 minutes of playing in the parking lot my left hand is tired, I will admit. And at the very bottom of its engagement, and in first gear, the throttle is abrupt in anything short of millimeter adjustments. It's not a simple skill to learn.
It is used elsewhere but not for sure quick tight turns, check that:
That's what I'm saying....
Counter-steering is necessary to achieve full-lock quickly from start, since heavy bikes do successfully resist if one does only apply the muscle. Now, the hayabusa, as all sport bikes, has low handlebars, therefore if one approaches the shoulders to the handlebars (to keep elbows at a right angle to avoid interference with the self-rotation of it), one is bound to lose the lengthy lever of the upper-body extending upwards.
Depending on the type of riding one will do, track riding techniques cross over...braking thresh holds, cornering at speed all benefit from what racing has taught. However riding aggressively on the streets has it's own perils as we all know.
Exactly the adrenaline I want to escape from
I agree.........I avoid these places like the plague.....I don't even like to take my pick up truck in these places....Exactly the adrenaline I want to escape from
What is your current bike?
2017 Hayabusa
If you can afford a gen 3 as an addition to your stable, maybe it worth to wait until the 30th anniversary, then it will be a good investment when EV poop hits the fan on the bike market as well... Otherwise I don't see right away why a gen 2 owner should run to buy a gen 3. Yeah, maybe the look, with a nice color. (BTW - Quickshifter is nice. I see one thing over gen 2 and it is the T-800 brain to protect you. That is hands down a big plus.) It is just my thinking.
We're in full agreement about counter steering. I'm not so sure it's not the only way to ride the Hayabusa. Got a friend with the big BMW 1200 adventure bike, and I am really hesitant to let him ride my gen 3. I had a guy who was a good rider take my original Katana (long, low, clip-ons) and ride it right into a mud puddle where he dumped it. I do think a lot of riders understand neither the theory or practice of countersteering. My buddy with the ZX12R's comment after riding my gen 1 was "my God how do you turn that thing?" Which confused me as I don't find the motorcycle hard to turn at all. Because I naturally countersteer.
You're right. I don't understand it, but you're right. I think learning to balance a motorcycle through a locked turn without using the clutch is a feat of balance not unlike a wheelie. It just takes a lot of practice and commitment. Thank you for all your comments, I definitely feel like I'm learning.
This is what I'm telling you, I do exactly that routinely. And I feel much more confident and feel much more grip from the front doing so.
It's less about the difference between track and street than about the difference between fast in the curves and tight turns in a parking lot. We have two conversations going here.
I think we should keep an eye on Hayabusa sales. The electric world is coming for us all soon, and the second the Gen 3 is discontinued it's going to be a collector's item. This guy's YouTube channel had another great short where he described the value of getting aftermarket body work, putting it on a new bike, and saving the original plastic in mint condition. That would REALLY bump up the resale value. I like that advice, wish I'd thought of it earlier.
Must be better than its predecessors, you won't regret it.
