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kinda funny the 40million never thought to cross the border to get the health care they needed.

would have to find 40 million canadians to marry first....???

and ironicly, its not uncommon for it to occur in canada... there was a documentary about a cancer patient who married a canadian friend because her insurance carrier dropped her as soon as she was diagnosed...

i wanna say 60 minutes or dateline... cant recall, was quite awhile ago, 5+ years at least...

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quoted before you added that stuff.

one guy i talk to hates the canada system because they wouldnt cover certain types of care for his wife. cant remember specifics, been about 3 years ago but it was a big deal.

youre more likely to die under socialized healthcare from things such as cancer vs our current system. its posted all over the net. men more likely to die from prostate cancer and women more likely to die from breast cancer.

not saying what we have now is the best thing since sliced bread but its better than what we are gonna have.

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just another way to illustrate that those that are creating this crap legislation are positively not listening to the majority of Americans. There are deals in this legislation that no one will know about, I mean 1350+ pages ??? I assure you there are somethings in there people will not know about but will come to light later and make everyone say :wtf:

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quoted before you added that stuff.

one guy i talk to hates the canada system because they wouldnt cover certain types of care for his wife. cant remember specifics, been about 3 years ago but it was a big deal.

youre more likely to die under socialized healthcare from things such as cancer vs our current system. its posted all over the net. men more likely to die from prostate cancer and women more likely to die from breast cancer.

not saying what we have now is the best thing since sliced bread but its better than what we are gonna have.

certainly there may be SOME truth to what you say....however, a lot of those numbers have serious fluff to them.. and you should be just as aware of that..

insurance and pharmacorp have serious amounts of money invested in shoving those types of statistics around...

and truth is, you friend in canada, in an american system, likely would have either
A) been charged so much for care they couldnt afford it
B) hit their limit maximum for coverage
C) been denyed as well for that care


however, your friend in canada, DOES get coverage for things like quality of life needs such as live in nurses etc.

things which most american private insurers flat refuse, and charge you out of pocket for...



no system is perfect... certainly not ours, and certainly not theirs...

which is better... that is obviously what much of the debate we are having is about...

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I don't have insurance right now, I don't believe in anyone getting anything they didn't work for... including me :moon:

And have you seen a crackhead in your doctors office lately?
Your kids will soon.

The crackheads go to the emergency room. You pay for them now in local taxes that go to your healthcare district hospitals.

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So 260 Million say "NO" and 40 Million say "YES". How is that the majority? Somebody failed math class in a big way.

You fail to add who reps that 40 million.
That's why the 260 don't matter !

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The crackheads go to the emergency room. You pay for them now in local taxes that go to your healthcare district hospitals.

crackheads go to the ER now because they can and ERs treat anyone, at least public hospitals do. The point being made was that with this new everyone gets health insurance poop, the crackhead will be sitting in your local family practice waiting room now. And crackheads are probably the least offensive of what could find their way into that waiting room with your kids in good ole suburbia :banghead::banghead:

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crackheads go to the ER now because they can and ERs treat anyone, at least public hospitals do. The point being made was that with this new everyone gets health insurance poop, the crackhead will be sitting in your local family practice waiting room now. And crackheads are probably the least offensive of what could find their way into that waiting room with your kids in good ole suburbia :banghead::banghead:

is it not better to get the crackhead off of crack by being admitted to a hospital or treatment center (most insurance actually covers rehab etc) and turn them into a productive member of society rather than let them continue doing crack and robbing shooting raping and killing people...


i would rather pay a few grand in rehab(not honestly sure how much rehab costs) to get them turned around, even a percentage of them turned around, rather than let 100% of them keep being the dregs of society....


my personal opinion..

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I really can't complain as my brother without INS was hit and run over on his bicycle .
Both knees crushed and the driver got away.
He was lifeflighted to Emergency and admitted to Palm Beach County Victims services.
They have 'we have' paid for his care since march of last yr !
He has undergone surgeries and rehab and incurred extreme amounts in totals but not had to pay one dollar or been denied for anything.

FREE HEALTHCARE ALREADY EXISTS !

Is what he has done right ?
I don't know but when it's your family member without INS laying in the street dying all things political go out the window and you just wanna know where the Frick is the helo !

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I really can't complain as my brother without INS was hit and run over on his bicycle .
Both knees crushed and the driver got away.
He was lifeflighted to Emergency and admitted to Palm Beach County Victims services.
They have 'we have' paid for his care since march of last yr !
He has undergone surgeries and rehab and incurred extreme amounts in totals but not had to pay one dollar or been denied for anything.

FREE HEALTHCARE ALREADY EXISTS !

Is what he has done right ?
I don't know but when it's your family member without INS laying in the street dying all things political go out the window and you just wanna know where the Frick is the helo !



all things aside, best of luck to your brother, and a speedy recovery!

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is it not better to get the crackhead off of crack by being admitted to a hospital or treatment center (most insurance actually covers rehab etc) and turn them into a productive member of society rather than let them continue doing crack and robbing shooting raping and killing people...


i would rather pay a few grand in rehab(not honestly sure how much rehab costs) to get them turned around, even a percentage of them turned around, rather than let 100% of them keep being the dregs of society....


my personal opinion..

I agree, offer to help and get those that want it the help they need, do it in the proper facility. I don't want to see them sit in the waiting room of my daughter's family practice doctor office just because some politician that could really give two tenths of one 1% of one bit of crap about them says "oh well now you can go anywhere, see anyone and oh by the way, everyone will pay for it."

And my opinion, no I don't care enough about random druggie X to take food off my table or $$ from my kids college funds to provide them health insurance. Think less of me if you want but I don't bust my hump day in and day out to pay for someone else's benefits.

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He's pretty much done and as good as he's gonna get.
Happened last March so it's been a yr.

With the best INS I'm not sure if he would have received better care.
It seems just like tow trucks doctors get their turns .
I don't think if it was him or Obama a diff dr would have come or the care would have been any diff ?

My entire life I complained about paying for others ability to get hurt and just walk in or be flown in and get fixed for free.
The nerve of them !
Then it happened to my bro .
No INS we obv can't pay a surgeon to do what needed to be done so thank God it is the way it is.

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And my opinion, no I don't care enough about random druggie X to take food off my table or $$ from my kids college funds to provide them health insurance. Think less of me if you want but I don't bust my hump day in and day out to pay for someone else's benefits.

fair enough, i can respect that opinion certainly...

But, would you have rather spent that $$$$ trying to get them into rehab, after your son or daughter was assaulted by that druggie trying to get their next fix?

personally, i wouldnt want the thought in the back of my mind that if i had just been willing to pay a little more up front, i might not have lost a child on the back end...


however, this is OBVIOUSLY a lot of supposition and out of context examples..

chances are your son or daughter would never have run into that situation...

but someones might...just food for thought...:beerchug:

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is it not better to get the crackhead off of crack by being admitted to a hospital or treatment center

In a perfect world, I would agree with you 100%, but the type of medical care that will be made available won't "cure" someone who abuses drugs.

Free healthcare is one less reason for them to get off crack.
There are already free treatment centers for that.

Free doctors visits will do nothing more than double the amount of crackheads that are also prescription drug abusers also.

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We are worried about crackheads in same offices but you forget that Dr will still have to be willing to accept a new patient .
I don't know how it is where y'all live but even here with the highest number of doctors per 1000 people anywhere in the world (Palm Beach County) I still have to call like five or six before I can get into one.
They ask your history and such and then you know make a 'informed decison' on whether or not they are taking new patients.
It will be hard for that Crackhead to get in I think .

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fair enough, i can respect that opinion certainly...

But, would you have rather spent that $$$$ trying to get them into rehab, after your son or daughter was assaulted by that druggie trying to get their next fix?

this will be someones healthcare plan after/trying to assault my child

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