Dayum, what news have you been watching? The press (have) been all over it for years! and for your info, 9-11 happened on Bush's watch, regardless of there not being any more atttacks of that magnitude since.
Projekt, do you seriously think for one minute that there's someone in Gitmo for having a passport issue ???
If I am a middle east combatant in a terrorist war against the "Infidels"... I dont think I am entitled to the same rights as a guy that gets up and goes to work every morning, pays taxes and votes... According to your idea, all the detainees shall be set free... scott free... (they were not mirandized when taken prisoner at the war.. I take it you are ok with that then?
That is not the point, rather merely an example of something you or I could face someday.
I am trying to decide if the US has the right to go to foreign lands and take citizens of these lands and hold them, without a trial or even charging them, indefinately. What kind of example is that for American to set for the rest of the world?
I am not saying that these are not bad guys and that they should not be punished but shouldn't the US set the standard for the way other human beings are treated by, at least affording them due process?
I can not follow that line of logic in these times... everyone wants a "hands off" attitude yet they scream when innocent people die.. "Oh we knew they had bought one way tickets with cash but were afraid it would be politically incorrect to stop them as it might offend them"
Sorry but there is a point where people need to take logic into account and say hey, that guy appears to look like trouble waiting to happen, maybe we should do something... as for the guy in question? surely he knew his appearance could cause trouble? (the bulge under the down jacket in the summer?)
I find a guy in a bomb making house, I think anything goes to extract what he might know... (quite literally what you have in Gitmo)
so now it is a crusade... tell you what, let the USA withdraw all the help/aid and support for every other country in the world (as our crusade is going) and let them fend for themselves.. They will do what ever they need to survive and so shall we...Screw it then Bogus. So you think executing them for the sake of your Crusade must be the only way to carry on.
I can not follow that line of logic in these times... everyone wants a "hands off" attitude yet they scream when innocent people die.. "Oh we knew they had bought one way tickets with cash but were afraid it would be politically incorrect to stop them as it might offend them"
Sorry but there is a point where people need to take logic into account and say hey, that guy appears to look like trouble waiting to happen, maybe we should do something... as for the guy in question? surely he knew his appearance could cause trouble? (the bulge under the down jacket in the summer?)
I find a guy in a bomb making house, I think anything goes to extract what he might know... (quite literally what you have in Gitmo)
In an idealized world no, but we are not in an idealized world and we are not in a fight with people that use conventional tactics.. they hide behind women and children as they fully understand that a war is won or lost in public opinion.. as soon as popular support wanes, the battle and war are won.. Oh those bastard Americans killed an innocent mother and child... (but lets leave out the part where 4 RPGs came out of the same window 4 minutes prior...)
we are going to get clobbered because the people in the Malls do not have the stomach to let the guys in the desert do the job that needs done.. and we will loose because of this...
if that is how you choose to interpret , then I suppose so but if you decide to read what I am saying then you tell me...So are you saying that we should set aside the principals that make our country great? If we do that, have we not given in to terrorism?
The consitution is pretty clear to me and many other Americans. Why is it that you don't understand it. Wearing blinders?
if that is how you choose to interpret , then I suppose so but if you decide to read what I am saying then you tell me...
everyone needs their warm fuzzy, but I can assure you that some scumbag is out there trying to kill you for no good reason and I trust our govt (somewhat) to do what they need to in order to stop them..