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[LoBusa]

just like my idea that people should speed up in school zones lol. hey if yer kids dumb enough to run out in the street w/o lookin, maybe he shouldnt be in class w/ my kids or brothers.....

You think a kid getting hit by a car is funny?? LOL?? WTF? What that comment had to do with the topic I'm not sure, or why you would even say something like that, unless of course you were HIGH when you said it... Then that explains it and supports the comments of others who disagree with legalizing drugs...

 

[tbonebusa]

oh Kazz......I hope you were trying to be funny.....Idiot 18and older is one thing, saying stuff like that about innocent kids is another.....lost all manner of respect with me on that one

 

[†WÃ￾§†ëD]

Wow...a bit heated in here...laws in general are, of course, necessary...

I can see both sides to the drug controversy, yet I am one of those that often wonders how much better America truly is since the drug war heated up in the mid-80's.  So much money is spent, so many people dedicate their lives to fighting the war, so many die with a business so riddled in crime from all angles.  Doesn't it almost seem like the drug problem hasn't gotten better, but far worse?  

the product of the war on drugs may not be effective, but in general the concept is good, most wars are no more than good against bad, some are long drawn out and lost, some are swift and victorious. unfortunately the drug war can only be won through education, like ww said "through the family". sadly though drug and alcohol abuse has infested this country to the degree that the educational strategy will need the use of laws and leadership to win out. leaders in this country must do what needs to be done, even if that involves the illegalazation of production and sales of alcohol in this country at the loss of corporate sells, and the people of this country must realize that we are all in this together and agree that it is better for society as a whole to rid this country of the toxins that pollute it and sacrifice some minor pleasures so innocent children dont have to be beaten and neglected by abusive parents and grow up and be the ted bundys and jeffery dahmers of the world.

here is a book that everyone should read, non fiction written by the estute FBI agent and psychilogical profiler John P. Douglas, the book is titled "enemy mind" in it he reveals interveiws he had with most all 20th century serial killers and inmates. some of the numbers are startling. the book reveals that 98% of all inmates came from either, alcoholic, drug abusive, physically abusive broken families. dahmer himself was an alcoholic so is his father and all the other killers as well. with that data one could only come to the conclusion that at least 60% of the crime commited in this country is related to alcohol alone. I would be willing to give up my freedom to purchase alcohol on those numbers alone...so legalizing drugs in this country would be a backwards step, but I can see how someone trying to sell music that lacks origionality may need a gimmick such as anarchy to sell it, but even that concept lacks origionality, I do beleive it has already been done?

 

[WWJD]

I find it funny no one else in society feels alcohol is a drug...
or smoking...
or addiction to work...
or porn....
or video games...

ANYTHING that ends up requiring a 'support group' should be CONSCIOUSLY avoided.  How much more obvious can it be? Let OTHER PEOPLE make the mistakes and learn from them. You don't have to make the mistakes yourself. Life is a choice.  Choose life.



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[pokerface]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone... I would like to address eveyones questions individually... I will start with....

WWJD... You are correct sir, the upside down star/pentagram is very satanic. It is the goat of baphomet. We have it on our insert and interactive portion because we are trying to expose it, not endorse it. Our capitol Washington DC was laid out by a satanic mason by the name of Charles lefant. Have you ever driven on the streets in DC. They are so screwed up you can get lost just trying to get 2-3 streets over from where you are.

When you look at the map you see that sarting with the white house as the bottom point of the upside down star and go north you will see that there are 3 circles where 6 roads come into (666) the last point of the upside down star terminates towards the right that ends up at a square.  On our interactive portion of the disc, you will see this quite clearly. Also the roads that go along the mall area make up the compass and the square of the masons.  From the beginning our country was set up by some very evil people. Not all or most of the forefathers just a few that knew what they were doing.  If you had our insert you would see our disclaimer that we do not support satanism but want to teach others to identify it.

Now Twisted... Your logic is VERY FLawed... If drugs are legal then there would be NO MONEY in it.Terrorists would NOT be able to make any money. Plus the American farmer would finallty have a cash crop, and wouldnt be going bankrupt growing HEMP. I personally asked the POS ex-drug czar general Barry Mc Caffery, after he blathered on about drugs funding terrorism, I said why dont we try the legalization model in front of 2000+ people at DeSales College last month. McCaffrey being a partner in crime to the ruling class, he said, that we would never do that. The only people that get busted are those outside the governments drug dealing network. They get to go to jail to make sure the price of drugs are high, to maximize their profits. The profits fund a variety of Black-bag projects.

You sound like someone who cant control their own usage of a substance, and NEED governments help. Most drug users dont. 5% of any group becomes abusers of what ever they use or are doing. I dont need government to choose for me what I put into my body, Nor do I need them to put any one else in jail over it either. Hey someday they might outlaw chocolate, and granny might get her door busted down, because she is hording a pound of it. It is that insane. Sports, Beer, White sugar white flour, Nintendo etc are all drugs. If you are addicted to something get help. For hardcore drugs, Ibogaine is a cure. We personally have sent 2 people to Amsterdam to get off of heroin. One was the drummers step-son. We know it works, and can help, you would expect that it would be all over the US in treatment centers, helping people that really need it, but the feds have been dragging their feet for years. CIA knew about its medicinal value in the 1950s during their MK-Ultra trials. Howard lotsoft discovered it on his own in the mid 60s, after dosing himself, he woke up sober after years of heroin addiction. Our government talks treatment but it doesnt walk it.

Being in the music business I have seen a lot of drug usage, most people handle their drug(s) some dont, lets help the few thru treatment, not incarceration.

Lastly twisted... its been proven over and over that when a substance is legal, the potency drops. Crack cocaine would never have been developed. When drugs are illegal, people are looking for the biggest bang for the buck. Same thing happened during prohibition, once alcohol was re-legaized, the potency dropped. period...  

You personal responses and the intensity of them tells me that 1. you have never tried them and dont know poop, or you have tried them and cant help yourself so you need to stay away from them. As long as you dont violate anyones rights, I dont care what you do for yourself.

ps  By giving the feds control over what you put into your body, also allows the government to tell you which treatments or cures or medicine you may use to heal yourself. There are a lot of good alternative cancer treatments. But if you go outside the orthodoxy of cut(surgery) slash(chemo) and burn(Radiation) they will throw the doctor in jail. Hell its my life and I will choose what I use wether I live or die, Thats My choice and My decicsion, because it is My life..

Kazzin... thanks for the kudos. i like Berklee, have had several friends over the years attend your school. As for david icke, he has a lot of good info, but he needs to get away from the aliens... THERE ARE NO ALIENS... there are demonic angels masquerading as aliens, or 13000year old warrior lothra or what ever the they want to deceive us with. So once he gets his poop down then I will take him more seriously. There are a group of some 300+ satanic families called "the Order" most of their paid for help (presidents, judges, politicians etc... like the council on foreign relations) are what is called the illuminati of today. They are not the highest ranking members of the demonic cult of greed.

On our 3rd disc"Sex, Lies and Politiks" we have a song called Illuminati, that disc goes into some of what that group is all about. The rosicrucians are at the top of the pecking order. It doesnt matter if we believe in them or not. They do and are a reality.

Poker Face came about to make kick ass rock with a message. We focus on the things that are keeping us free. The War on some Drugs has been used successfully over 2-3 generations. Its time this current generation takes off this yoke and really be a free peoples.

just my 2 cents
peace
poker face

 

[LCW]

I find it funny no one else in society feels alcohol is a drug...
or smoking...
or addiction to work...
or porn....
or video games...

ANYTHING that ends up requiring a 'support group' should be CONSCIOUSLY avoided. How much more obvious can it be? Let OTHER PEOPLE make the mistakes and learn from them. You don't have to make the mistakes yourself. Life is a choice. Choose life.

Lots of people think alcohol is a drug. It is. So is aspirin. Self-administered, effective, and safe when used as directed. Read the warning labels, make your own decisions.

As for work, porn, video games, and other things implied by the elipses, those are all part of life (as much as you choose anyway). As for 'support groups', how about church? Seems like a support group to me. I mean, you have liars, cheaters, drunks, addicts, rapists, child molesters, and other members of society, all meeting in one place to be told that all is forgiven and everything's gonna be alright as long as you believe certain things. But I digress. [Side note: this is in no way intended to offend any churchgoing folk. If you care to know how I came to this conclusion, PM me. Otherwise, please assume that I respect the religious beliefs of anyone who believes in the greater good of the world.]

Fact is, life has it's moments. How you deal with the bad ones determines how happy you end up, even when there is no happy outcome in some instances. To cop two phrases in one sentence, life goes on, and this too shall pass. Watch less TV and ride more, I say. Hopefully everything else falls into place.

Oh, and as for the anti-government music - well produced, but boring and predictable. Be happy you have the freedom to express those sentiments, then get in line to bitch about how unfair it is that you can't always get away with breaking the law. Everybody in some way feels put-upon by the law. Put up, or shut up. Otherwise, don't complain when you get busted for breaking it (or them, you know some of us can't stop at one).

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[LCW]

When you look at the map you see that sarting with the white house as the bottom point of the upside down star and go north you will see that there are 3 circles where 6 roads come into (666) the last point of the upside down star terminates towards the right that ends up at a square.

Yeah, that's the sure sign of a foundation of tyranny to keep you from smoking pot, shooting heroin, doing speed, trippin on acid, and whatever else it is you're gunning for. Honestly, you can come up with something better than that. The whole 666 thing was played out in the 80's, and actually lent well to your cause. In fact, such a tyranny would RATHER have you high, strung out, and weak minded, so I'm thinking a different strategy is in order here. Maybe leave the pentagram-for-education story out for the next disc.



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[pokerface]

uhh LCW, the War on some drugs is just one of many issues the band  deals with. Gun Rights, censorship, Right to be secure in your home with out the feds/leos using any lame excuse to break down your door. Thanks to the misnamed patriot act, they can do basically anything they wanna., We fight for those that dont have a voice, or are the underdog.

But the War on some drugs is a biggie. We dont advocate drug abuse but responsible drug use. Hey people getting fat off the sugar high are in more danger of dying early then any other group. Hey man put that donut down and save your life.

Lets bring things into perspective. There are many things that we as human beings do that can kill you at any moment, My friends that are into extreme sports can die at anytime. I have friends that love to climb with out any gear. I am happy when they make it home alive. They are adrenaline junkies, different drug but still the same thing. If they abuse themselves they die too. But I am the last person to tell them to knock it off. They dont violate my rights and they dont damage my property. That is what real freedom is. I was not born on the animal farm, and this isnt 1984.  But when you post shizen like this "Yeah, that's the sure sign of a foundation of tyranny to keep you from smoking pot, shooting heroin, doing speed, trippin on acid, and whatever else it is you're gunning for." then you really arent trying to have a discussion. You are also trying to decide for me and others what we do with our lives.

Most people that I have run across that do drugs are happy with just smoking or eating pot. I have NEVER seen any of them start fights like I see sugarbritches with their beer balls in their brains. The pot head is happy eating munchies, talking, having sex, sleeping or just chilling out. You would be amazed who smokes pot. They dont call the kind bud lawyer/judge bud for nothing.\

Freedom means freedom, unfortunately for many in the usa, they have stopped thinking for themselves and are happy living in the matrix world created by our masters.  Dont take the blue pill and stay happy being servile to the NWO,
peace
pf

 

[WWJD]

WHy do you choose to use drugs in the first place? What are you numming? Be honest. What was missing that drugs fulfill or what pain is dulled and reoccupied? Don't say "I tried it, and it FELT great" We all grow out of that stage.... after college I believe

 

[pokerface]

WWJD... i guess U R directing this at me so i will take a swing at it...

"WHy do you choose to use drugs in the first place? What are you numming? Be honest. What was missing that drugs fulfill or what pain is dulled and reoccupied? Don't say "I tried it, and it FELT great" We all grow out of that stage.... after college I believe
"

Uh I dont like alcohol, never did, never will. I like pot. always have always will. I dont smoke much, but when I do, i shouldnt be worrying about the man breaking my door down, just for taking a toke. Thats insane. Keeping this plant away from mankinds use is insane. If we would just let the farmers grow it on 6% of our arable land, we could say FU to the oil cartels. But hey same cartel that controls the energy resources controls the drug markets. Do you think pharmaceutical companies want any drug that you or I could grow for ourselves out there for our use??? seriously... Do you know how many BIllions of dollars they stand to lose once their monopoly on drugs ends... Thats what we are really talking about. Who gets to make the money. Dont kid yourself it is anything else. Money money money...

When you grow it, you arent spending your cash into their means of distribution, and on the global plantation, the serfs dont get to do things for themselves. As a free person I refuse to bow down to this oppression be it drugs, gun rights, speech rights etc...

You have rights when you exercise them. Illegal laws or UnConstitutional laws doesnt mean that the present day prostiticians are on any high moral grounds. they are not. Drug money has corrupted our political system to the core. Another reason we wont see any real attempts at legalization. Certain people are making large cash hand over fist.

Freedom, and idea whose time has come. Not just lip service.

Bottom line If U dont want to do drugs, then dont. Other people do, and U or I dont have a right to tell them any different as long as they keep it to themselves. And most do.
pf:O

ps: to all, I didnt post the first post, I am only replying to those who have posted to the original post and were talking about us, our views or our music. Hey, we know our music or views arent for everyone, but for those that love real freedom, we are making an impact...

 

[LCW]

But when you post shizen like this "Yeah, that's the sure sign of a foundation of tyranny to keep you from smoking pot, shooting heroin, doing speed, trippin on acid, and whatever else it is you're gunning for." then you really arent trying to have a discussion. You are also trying to decide for me and others what we do with our lives.

Well, when you post crap suggesting that the streets surrounding the capitol in DC were craftily planned out by evil masons to form a "666" pattern, you're not exactly supporting your points.

And no, I don't have the audacity to decide what anyone else must do with their lives, other than not idly bitch. You know how the system works. Work it.

Look, I respect your desire to express your dissatisfactions by doing something creative like making music. But don't expect me to high-five you on a motorcycling message board for pointing out that the DC architects were somehow satanic conspirators.

 

[LCW]

uhh LCW, the War on some drugs is just one of many issues the band deals with.

By the way pf, I don't disagree that the war on drugs is a little off course. But probably not for the same reasons you do. But if I wanted to discuss politics rationally, I'd go to a political board.

 

[pokerface]

lcw... look at the last sentence of my last post to understand why i even stopped by...
we have a site tracker that lets us know where people are coming from, and talking about us. When people post our link on another site, it lets us know where they are coming from. otherwise, i would have never heard of this site. And for the most part I do stay on political sites...

I also do live with a house full of bikers, but their bike of choice is ducati....

Now here is a subject that you riders are concerned with that is a freedom issue... riding with or with out helmets. Our state in PA finally passed a law to allow bikers to ride with out their helmets on.. With freedom, it always comes with responsibility. If you want to ride with out the helmet then that is your right, but having an accident and dealing with the costs of hospitalization should be the responsibility of the rider should he have additional head trauma. I am all for bikers riding with out their lids. Same goes for car drivers that want to drive with out their seat belts on... Today we have these police state road blocks to check on you to see if you are indeed locked into your seatbelt. I find this totally ludicrous. You can now ride with out a helmet, but God forbid you dont have a seatbelt on... Its a control issue and its increasing daily. Also goes for those folks with pick up trucks that have passengers that want to ride in the back. We have become so regulated that you cant even do that in the USSA, It pisses me off. Many of these laws came about because of insurance companies. nothing more..

lastly, in regards to washington DC and pentagrams, that was a specific response to wwjd. he was under the impression that we were pro satanists and I had to inform him otherwise. It doesnt matter that you dont believe that DC was laid out by satanists. the proof is in the design. I am willing to put my money were my mouth is and offer to you and you only a copy of our last disc "Made In America", were there is enough information to convince any skeptic. post an email address like yahoo, hotmail etc where i can contact you back to get an address from you to send it free of charge. From there you can do with it as you choose, but you are incorrect on this issue.
sorry.
peace
pk

 

[†WÃ￾§†ëD]

hmm let me get this straight. the U.S. capitol was created by satanic masons? if drugs were legal there would be no money in it, but the american farmer would have a cash crop?

I especially like this one... "Lastly twisted... its been proven over and over that when a substance is legal, the potency drops. Crack cocaine would never have been developed. When drugs are illegal, people are looking for the biggest bang for the buck. Same thing happened during prohibition, once alcohol was re-legaized, the potency dropped. period..." forgive me but I cant remember when drugs were legal? where did you get these numbers?

pretty much everything you say is contradictive, full of hypocricy or really out there, like someone else said, you are proof we need drug laws and a big brother in this country, and that sucks for those of us that are reasonably sane and dont need the extra control, so until the drugs are out of this country, things will continue to deteriorate at the present rate, children will suffer, crime will rise along with taxes and our doors will be locked at night.

what really sucks is people immigrated from the amsterdams of the world and came to america to form a better place to live, its too bad they failed...

after reading your posts I am left feeling a little sorry for you so here is a tip for your music career, if you sound like another band, keep trying, but if you have to, make it sound better...

 

[WWJD]

Selling pentagrams to the public makes you pro satan advocate whether you choose to believe it or not. but... marketing is marketing and 'He' has his big share out there subliminally already - in many other messed up lives that call themselves bands. At least your gang has musical talent.

Obviously, this is not the place for such a heated polical debate. I think you found another pocket of people who keep voting against you in the polls. That said, and the fact I'm completely against everything you want to do governmentally, I totally respect you as a fellow human bean, and your FREEDOM to voice opinions and gladly listen to them with an open mind, and am STILL glad to live in a country where we CAN do this.

Now if more Christians would stand up for THIER beliefs...

 

[LCW]

lastly, in regards to washington DC and pentagrams, that was a specific response to wwjd. he was under the impression that we were pro satanists and I had to inform him otherwise. It doesnt matter that you dont believe that DC was laid out by satanists. the proof is in the design. I am willing to put my money were my mouth is and offer to you and you only a copy of our last disc "Made In America", were there is enough information to convince any skeptic. post an email address like yahoo, hotmail etc where i can contact you back to get an address from you to send it free of charge. From there you can do with it as you choose, but you are incorrect on this issue.

By all means, contact me via the PM or Mail buttons below.

 

[tbonebusa]

"if drugs were legal there would be no money in it"

Alcohol is legal, and I don't think Bud/Miller/Coors and the myriad of other spirit companies are non-profits. Just as I start to respect the manner in which you express your views(which I do not share, btw), you fling out some real doozies to blow any respectability away. Maybe satanists designed the freeways in the bay area, too.....they really suck.

 

[Mikey D]

<span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>Wow!</span>  

Don't know where to start...

It is a fairly well known fact that Washington DC was laid out to prevent invaders from easily finding the capitol. That is why it is easy to get lost there.

Narcotics (alcohol) reducing potency when becoming legal? Bologna! Everclear anyone?

The main point in most of these posts is, does doing drugs (or even wearing a bucket!) hurt people who don't do them.  Obviously the answer is yes for many reasons.

People who do hard core drugs (HCD - crystal, crank, meth etc...) are not typically productive citizens.  Yes, many of them hold down jobs, but with prologed usage, these jobs are lost.  This is a fact.

To say that if these substances were legal, it would cut down on crime is plain ignorant.  Drug users that steal to suppport their habbit are not going to stop stealing just because they can get their fix from Wallgreens rather that the local drug dealer.

People who do HCD (and do not wear lids) incurr more and higher hospital costs.  Now the drug users and the helmetless riders that do not have health insurance are being cared for out of taxpayers pockets.  Fact.

There is no good answer to the drug question.  Making them legal is no good because most HCD users do in fact need babysitting.  These people can hardly take care of themselves much less the children they produce. Don't believe me, go take a look at any of the rehab centers. Take a look at the foster homes, go to Sunshine Acres here in AZ and ask the kids why they are there.

Keeping them illegal is no good because it is filling our jails (for which we pay) with non violent offenders that have done nothing more than made some really bad choices about recreational habits.  It also abridges your God given American right to screw up you life any way you want to.

I do agree that pot should probably be legal, just like alcohol is legal. The problem with pot is it stays in your system much longer than alcohol.  I do not use the substance myself but have had exerience around it.  I agree that I would rather be around someone who is stoned than someone who is drunk.  The ratio of people getting punched by a stoner to people getting punched by a drunk is probably pretty high (conjecture and an inadvertant pun).

As far as sugar and flour being a drug... ? I'm not sure that was ment seriously but, if you get off sniffing flowers, more power to you!

 

[†WÃ￾§†ëD]

theone, in the same sentence he says there would be no money in drugs if they were legal, and it would be a cash cow for farmers?

mikey, I dont ever remember when narcotics were legal, how could he have come to that conclusion, I do remember the cocaine in the 70s and 80s becoming less potent because it was cut up, but it was illegal.

I cant make any sense of anything this guy says, it sounds like he is just another self centered american that wants our government to conform to his way of life no matter what the cost, what I dont get is how someone so stupid expects to survive if they let millions of offenders out of prison, there are people in prison for drug related crimes that would just as well kill him rather than have to look at him? thats why they are there.

what we have in the constitution is a building block, something to build on. but it wont work unless we are all willing to sacrifice a little, we are governing an entire society not just an individual, and there are many to consider, I dont like wearing a seatbelt all the time or a helmet for that matter, but the fact is there are some people that cant drive as well as others or just have worse luck and get into accidents where using a seatbelt or wearing a helemt could save their lives. if I thought the seatbelt law could save just one persons life, I'm all for it. for all I know that one person could be me?

 

[WWJD]

We tend to overcomplicate everything with analysis and justification anymore.
Bottom line: drugs are bad and wrong [yes, even alcohol is not helping anybody]
They won't succeed at leagalizing it, but they are still free to pursue it illeagally like the rest of us.

Now for something happier, let's talk about partial birth abortion.