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Hidden Sex Scenes Spark Furor Over Video Game By Alex Pham Times Staff Writer
Thu Jul 21, 7:55 AM ET



The oversight board that puts parental ratings on video games took the unusual step Wednesday of slapping its strongest warning on a bestselling title as the game maker admitted putting explicit, interactive sex scenes on the disc.

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Retailers began pulling copies of "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" from their shelves after the Entertainment Software Ratings Board revoked the game's "Mature" rating and raised it to "Adults Only." Publisher Take-Two Interactive Software Inc. said it planned to rework "San Andreas" — the top-selling video game of 2004 — and reissue it later this year.

The ratings board is similar to the Motion Picture Assn. of America's rating board. A "Mature" rating is analogous to an R movie rating, and "Adults Only" is equivalent to NC-17. Most retailers refuse to sell "Adults Only" games.

Executives at New York-based Take-Two had denied for weeks that company programmers were responsible for the graphic sex scenes, which can be unlocked with software that was widely available on the Internet. But Wednesday they acknowledged that the game's designers had created the scenes, dubbed "Hot Coffee."

"The editing of any game is a highly technical process," said Take-Two spokesman Rodney Walker. "We liken it to a painter who paints one painting and paints over it on the same canvas."

Walker's explanation did little to mollify critics, who point to the "Grand Theft Auto" series to highlight the issue of violence and sexuality in video games. The games celebrate nihilistic killing, and Take-Two has reveled in its image as the bad boy of a $25-billion global game industry that's trying to gain respectability to match its profits.

"It looks like Take-Two Interactive purposefully conned the video game industry rating board and parents across the country," said Washington state Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson. " 'San Andreas,' as a top-selling game in the country, now is in the hands of thousands of children who can practice interactive pornography. There should be legal consequences … so [the company doesn't] laugh all the way to the bank."

"San Andreas," which retails for about $50, has sold more than 12 million copies worldwide since its launch in October. "Mature" rated games are intended for players older than 17. Many retailers keep such games under lock and key and have policies requiring clerks to check the identification of buyers.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc., which accounts for as much as 20% of video game sales in the United States, began removing "San Andreas" from its shelves Wednesday, as did Best Buy Co.

"Our policy is not to carry any adult titles on our shelves," said Wal-Mart spokeswoman Karen Burk, who said buyers "can certainly bring the product back" for a refund.

Take-Two said it would make a patch available for downloading so that customers could block the sex scenes.

Word of the scenes began spreading over the Internet last month after Dutch programmer Patrick Wildenbourg began distributing software that he said unlocked them.

Many video games have secrets to which players gain access as they progress. They might, for instance, win extra powers or reach hidden levels.

"Hot Coffee," by contrast, is an interactive sex game, featuring oral sex and intercourse.

Wildenbourg, who removed his software from the Internet on Wednesday, declined to comment.

As late as last week, Take-Two had insisted that the sex scenes were "the work of a determined group of hackers who have gone to significant trouble to alter scenes in the official version of the game." Hackers, the company said, created the scenes by "disassembling and then combining, recompiling and altering the game's code."

The scenes prompted an outcry from game critics, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who last week called for a federal investigation into "Hot Coffee."

The Entertainment Software Ratings Board began a review to determine whether the scenes were part of the game's original code and warranted a re-rating of "San Andreas," versions of which play on Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news).'s PlayStation 2, Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox and personal computers.

"After a thorough investigation, we have concluded that sexually explicit material exists in a fully rendered, unmodified form on the final discs of all three platform versions of the game," said Patricia Vance, president of the ratings board. "Clearly the [original] rating was incorrect, and it needed to be corrected."

Take-Two's Walker said Wednesday that the sex scenes were never meant to be seen by the public and that they were revealed only when an outside programmer, called a "modder," wrote software to unlock them.

"The mod community scratched the painting, revealing the earlier work," he said.

Analysts estimated that modifying and remarketing "San Andreas" would cost Take-Two about $40 million in lost sales. Shares of Take-Two fell 11% in after-hours trading.

"It was a very poor exercise of judgment and a very costly one," said Michael Pachter, a video game industry analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities in Los Angeles. "It's an embarrassment for management because obviously a maverick developer in their studios decided to put this stuff in there. I can only fault the management team for not putting systems in place to vet their games."

Take-Two is no stranger to controversy. Previous installments of "Grand Theft Auto" have been adored by hard-core gamers but excoriated by parent groups and lawmakers for their depictions of violence and sex.

In one, players could have sex with a prostitute and then beat her to death and take back their money. That game was rated "Mature" because players did not see the sex. Instead, they saw a parked car rock back and forth.

Some lawmakers criticized the ratings board for failing to detect the sex scenes in its initial evaluation of "San Andreas" last year. Although the system is voluntary, most game publishers seek a rating from the organization, which evaluated more than 1,000 titles last year.

"It should not have taken this long," said Rep. Joe Baca (news, bio, voting record) (D-Rialto). "This is evidence that the voluntary ratings system does not work."

Video game industry executives tried to assure parents that the "San Andreas" incident was an anomaly.

The ratings board "has been in business for 11 years, and there has never yet been an incident of this kind," said Doug Lowenstein, head of the Entertainment Software Assn., the industry's trade group. "You're looking at well over 10,000 games rated. If you look at that track record, you can say parents have every reason to be confident in the ratings system."

Some consumers weren't completely reassured.

"As a parent I've lost some confidence in the [ratings board's] ability to police the industry," said Dennis McCauley, editor of GamePolitics.com. "But [the board] did take a big step today, and I have to give them credit for that."
 
Heh...wouldja lookit that.

I'm assuming the software is only compatible for the PC version. I don't think there's anything for the PS2 version.


How interesting, though....I used to work in a Video Game store. Had a bunch of kids that would come in and try and buy GTA San Andreas. Always told 'em they needed their parent with em.

Sad thing about it, though, was that parents WOULD come in an get it for them.
 
Dayum, do a google search on GTA Sex Scene, its no lie. Thats freakin crazy. I cant say im surprised though.
 
What ever happened to space invaders, megamania, pong, indiana jones, pitfall, combat, pinball, donkey kong, donkey junior, spiderman,?...
 
Heh...wouldja lookit that.

I'm assuming the software is only compatible for the PC version. I don't think there's anything for the PS2 version.


How interesting, though....I used to work in a Video Game store. Had a bunch of kids that would come in and try and buy GTA San Andreas. Always told 'em they needed their parent with em.

Sad thing about it, though, was that parents WOULD come in an get it for them.
You can get to it in either version. The PS2 one you need some sort of cheat code software (like GameShark, but it's a different one... not sure the name of it), and some codes available on the internet. In fact the PS2 version having it is how they confirmed it was in there in the first place.

The sex game was apparently one of a few minigames they played with and left code in there for (there's also apparently a TonyHawk-like skateboarding minigame amongst others), when they decided not to do them. (which you can notice pretty easily by the completely crap art, and the fact that the main character still has clothes on during it all.

Basically the mionigame is kinda like a Dance Dance Revolution "rhythm game" where movements and button presses have to happen at certain times for it to be a successful win.

I'm of two minds on this one -- there's no reason for the game code to be in there if it wasn't used... I can almost see leaving it in there for stability purposes (a LOT of games have things that are left in but not used, simply because if it was ripped out, the game would break), but it wouldn't necessarily need the graphic resources to work. After it was found and a huge stink was made about it (the actual mod was available some months ago... long before it became "news"), Rockstar/TakeTwo could have (and should have) gone to lengths to fix things, but instead kept up "plausible denial" through press releases and crap like that.

Also, their submission to the ESRB (the ratings board), had no mention of this content in it, whether intnetionally, or the people who made the submission (most likely producers fairly far removed from the development process) didn't know about it. Regardless, someone should have reviewed and made the necessary changes so that the ESRB knew what was there.

On the other hand, this content isn't available for the mainstream, majority buyer of the game, and in fact requires a fairly convoluted process (for most gamers, especially on a mainstream title like this) to make it work, whether by mod on the PC, or code on the consoles. The mod scene is pretty dynamic, and completely uncontrollable from a developers point of view... can they be held completely responsible for something that requires third party code and/or knowledge to pull off?

Also, the rating on the box specifically says "Strong Sexual content" among other warnings about the subject matter of the game. It's not like anyone taking a glance at the box can really be surprised by the moment it actually shows up in the game itself... they were duly warned.

Furthermore, the game is rated M-17+. Meaning no one under 17 is intended to or should play the game. I find it nauseatingly sad that the people responsible for letting little Johnny play and purchase the game... you know, the parents... aren't held at any point responsible for purchasing or allowing the purchase of a game that very obviously from its rating and reviews contains material not suitable for young children.

Thirdly is the critics themselves... I find it hypocritical to the extreme that people are all up in arms about a poorly simulated bout of sex in a game that had to have the player jump through all sorts of hoops to get to, when no one seemed to bat much of an eye at the fact that you can go through and kill several hundred people, guilty and innocent, criminals and cops, but as soon as a poorly-textured polygonal boob flashes across the screen, everyone has a bloody conniption.

Rockstar/TakeTwo severely screwed up on this one, but the ESRB also seems to have dropped the ball, and the people buying games like this for their children (and then ##### about the content when it becomes fashionable), are to blame as well.
 
Oh yeah, and good job to the people making this a front-page issue. You've managed to give this game publicity it couldn't buy, and I guarantee copies that are floating around still on shelves or in online retailers are getting bought up in record numbers. Which will add to the already 8.9 million copies sold in the games' life so far.
 
What ever happened to space invaders, megamania, pong, indiana jones, pitfall, combat, pinball, donkey kong, donkey junior, spiderman,?...
same thing that happened to missle command...  where you been?
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OMG! How could I EVER forget about Missile Command! Did you have Godfathers Pizza places where you grew up? I clearly remember going to Godfathers Pizza, pigging out, and playing Missile Command until my parents were either out of change, or desperate to go home, and lied about being out of change.
 
What ever happened to space invaders, megamania, pong, indiana jones, pitfall, combat, pinball, donkey kong, donkey junior, spiderman,?...
same thing that happened to missle command...  where you been?
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OMG! How could I EVER forget about Missile Command! Did you have Godfathers Pizza places where you grew up? I clearly remember going to Godfathers Pizza, pigging out, and playing Missile Command until my parents were either out of change, or desperate to go home, and lied about being out of change.
joust was the one that hooked me.




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not surprised about the easter egg causing mayhem. the reaction is all a part of computer evolution. just like game violence was a huge issue years ago.
 
I for one am a fan of the GTA games but it is totally stupid for Take-Two to leave something like that on the game for someone to find. They have been ripped apart for years because of the violence and drugs in the games. Now they do this? They are digging their own grave. Polititions looking to get elected for another term are going to have a field day with this.
 
Kids arent dumb, they know if they do stupid sh*t they can ALWAYS blame it on video games, movies, etc and get away with it.[/QUOTE]

Then maybe they should get called on it, or more parents should actually, you know, do some parenting. It's sad that as a society we've got people who are parents that do it, and instead rely on the TV, Computers, and the Video Game consoles to be surrogate parents and/or babysitters, simply because they're too lazy to figure it out.[/quote]
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LOGAN
They're like beasts. Wild.

JESSICA
Maybe they're angry because they're
grown in meccano-breeders.

LOGAN
Instead of what? Nine months inside a
woman: We're all raised the same but most of
us don't become cubs in Cathedral.

JESSICA
Some people say children need human
mothering.

LOGAN
Insane. Nurseries are better than any
mother could be.

JESSICA
I'm only telling you what I've heard...
Haven't you ever wondered what your
seed-mother was Like...?

LOGAN
Uh-uh.

JESSICA
I have.



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I'll just keep Sam hooked on Lego Star Wars for PS2, thank you...

Good grief...
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What ever happened to space invaders, megamania, pong, indiana jones, pitfall, combat, pinball, donkey kong, donkey junior, spiderman,?...
same thing that happened to missle command...  where you been?
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OMG! How could I EVER forget about Missile Command! Did you have Godfathers Pizza places where you grew up? I clearly remember going to Godfathers Pizza, pigging out, and playing Missile Command until my parents were either out of change, or desperate to go home, and lied about being out of change.
joust was the one that hooked me.
It was Galaga for me......
 
Paul got this...then a week later I went to my sisters...and my 10 year old nephew was playing it!!!
I was screaming at my sister about what a STUPID decision it was for her to buy him this game. She asked me why, so I sent Zach out of the room and played it for about 10 minutes. The game was in pieces after that. She thanked me and then called his dad to make sure that a duplicate wasnt purchased.
That game is a VERY adult game. And should not have been marketed the way it was. Kids arent dumb, they know if they do stupid sh*t they can ALWAYS blame it on video games, movies, etc and get away with it.
 
I think the title of the this thread kind of speaks for itself.  If you don't know what kind of games your kids are playing, then shouldn't some of that responsibility fall on the parents?

By the way, used copies of GTA San Andreas are selling for nearly double their retail price on ebay.



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What ever happened to space invaders, megamania, pong, indiana jones, pitfall, combat, pinball, donkey kong, donkey junior, spiderman,?...
same thing that happened to missle command...  where you been?
laugh.gif
OMG! How could I EVER forget about Missile Command! Did you have Godfathers Pizza places where you grew up? I clearly remember going to Godfathers Pizza, pigging out, and playing Missile Command until my parents were either out of change, or desperate to go home, and lied about being out of change.
joust was the one that hooked me.
It was Galaga for me......
Galaga still over here... gamecube has some of the good ole games and they are still a blast to play.
 
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