New Jersey State Police at their best
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StwBusa
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Its not really an attack its an observation of your actions in this thread.
Oh so you have been to several advanced driver courses and you didnt learn a thing? I call bull ****. Either you didnt care enough to try or listed or you didnt go to those courses. That would be like me saying the MSF courses I have taken didnt teach me anything
Hey Russ... No problem.. whatever makes you feel better about this...
jetsetter
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Do I have this right?
Everyone agrees that the guy in the left lane should have moved over.
Everyone agrees the cop was completely doing his job by addressing the issue of the guy that wouldn't move over.
Everyone agrees that following too close is against the law.
Everyone agrees that the cop was very close.
Everyone agrees that the cop was following in such a way that is unlawful.
What people are arguing about is whether it's ok for the cop to break the law.
Did I miss something?
Everyone agrees that the guy in the left lane should have moved over.
Everyone agrees the cop was completely doing his job by addressing the issue of the guy that wouldn't move over.
Everyone agrees that following too close is against the law.
Everyone agrees that the cop was very close.
Everyone agrees that the cop was following in such a way that is unlawful.
What people are arguing about is whether it's ok for the cop to break the law.
Did I miss something?
StwBusa
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jetsetter
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Because it's ok for a vehicle to follow that close?
Because that law doesn't apply to cops?
Because cops don't have to abide by any law?
I'm a very logical minded person, and I can't wrap my head around how it is ok for this cop to break a law.
StwBusa
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Its not... But lots of people on here don't see that...
They blindly think what the cop did was ok... and that's the part I really struggle with....
StwBusa
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Ok...Just so I am clear on this... You think that the proximity of the cops cruiser to the rear bumper of that car was not a problem??? Right???
jetsetter
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The thing I find most interesting about American history is just how rebellious the men who founded this country were. They are the ones who wrote the constitution that all of our laws must adhere to, and I think each and every one of them would be in an uproar at the very notion that a police officer should be granted liberties that ordinary citizens don't enjoy. My point being, that I think cheering for a cop who's breaking the law is about as patriotic as putting a giant picture of Adolph Hitler on your living room wall. That is also the reason that the cops don't have any real authority to enforce the law, it's the courts that do that with juries consisting of groups of our peers. This is not a military state, this is a country of the people, by the people and for the people. None of us are above the law, because we are the law! The cop's job is to run around and find people breaking the rules, then tattle (report) to the court to get something done about it.
They are professional tattle tales, with mustaches.
Do I respect a cop, because he's a cop? No I don't, that's not enough.
Are there cops that I have massive amounts of respect for? Yes there are.
And Philosophically, I can not justify any other way of thinking about it, without considering myself a sheep lost in a huge herd. I couldn't respect myself as a sheep.
They are professional tattle tales, with mustaches.
Do I respect a cop, because he's a cop? No I don't, that's not enough.
Are there cops that I have massive amounts of respect for? Yes there are.
And Philosophically, I can not justify any other way of thinking about it, without considering myself a sheep lost in a huge herd. I couldn't respect myself as a sheep.
StwBusa
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Wow.... I am shocked ..... Then I guess as is the way in democracies we can agree to differ and walk away.You have every right to your views as I do to mine....... I just hope you are never a victim of such behaviour in the future...
jetsetter
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Get that cop some glasses so he doesn't have to ride people's bumper like that to read a tag. I do know people that would have made that cop do some explaining to his boss after he ate paint. And you can doubt that all you want, but there is NO doubt in my mind. Not everybody is a reasonable person, no matter the consequences, and if he wants to play Russian Roulette with that, then it's his problem when it finally does hit the fan. I don't have enough fingers on both hands to count the number of people I know that would have no problem forcing the issue, and they have nothing to lose taking the risk. I guess that's because I live in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of redneck friends. I see a lot of crashed cop cars roll by on tow trucks, I wonder if it's because of guys that don't have the internet, so they didn't get the memo that they were going to lose the law suit.
Seriously? Are you not reading anything at all?
ITS THE SAME SITUATION. Except those smart people got over. And the cop did not tailgate them as long nor needed to light those people up because they got over LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE BY LAW.
You are just not understanding anything apparrantly. :duh: The people shouldnt have been in the fast lane with the right lanes open beside them. You need to take a drivers improvement course.
You are a lost cause. I hope you get a traffic citation and are forced to take a driving course where you can be taught the rules of the road and actually understand them. This is my last post on this thread because I feel you will never understand and continue to drive ignorantly on the road and probably be like the people in the video getting tailgated trying to "prove a point" on the road. I hope a road rage driver does not pull a gun on you or some equivalent bad situation just because you are so closed minded. I pray for people like you
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StwBusa
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Seriously? Are you not reading anything at all?
ITS THE SAME SITUATION. Except those smart people got over. And the cop did not tailgate them as long nor needed to light those people up because they got over LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE BY LAW.
You are just not understanding anything apparrantly. :duh: The people shouldnt have been in the fast lane with the right lanes open beside them. You need to take a drivers improvement course.
You are a lost cause. I hope you get a traffic citation and are forced to take a driving course where you can be taught the rules of the road and actually understand them. This is my last post on this thread because I feel you will never understand and continue to drive ignorantly on the road and probably be like the people in the video getting tailgated trying to "prove a point" on the road. I hope a road rage driver does not pull a gun on you or some equivalent bad situation just because you are so closed minded. I pray for people like you
Geez.... Did you even watch the video??? The guy with the camera was passing a slower moving car on the right...The cop was so close all you can see is his windshield!!!! where was he supposed to go.. and in this video there can be no spurious claims of "maybe he had his lights on and you couldn't see".....and by the way... Thanks for your good wishes
Appreciated...
jetsetter
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From the Kansas Highway Patrol, not hearsay.
Following too closely
Kansas law requires drivers to follow other vehicles at a reasonable and prudent distance, taking into consideration the speed of the vehicles and condition of the roadway.
Four of every 10 crashes involve rear-end collisions, usually because someone is following too closely (tailgating). Leave enough room between your vehicle and the one ahead so you can stop safely if the other vehicle stops suddenly.
Brake early and gently when preparing to stop or turn. It gives drivers behind you plenty of warning that you are slowing down. Be aware of space on either side of you, too, in case you have to change lanes quickly or pull over to avoid a hazard. If possible, leave yourself some escape room to your left and right.
For a safe traveling distance, use the two-second rule.
Choose an object near or above the road ahead, such as a sign, tree, or overpass. As the vehicle ahead passes it, slowly count aloud, "one thousand one, one thousand two." If you reach the same object before you finish counting, you are following too closely. Slow down and let the other vehicle get farther ahead. In bad weather, increase the count to three or four seconds for extra space.
If the driver behind you is tailgating, move to another lane if possible, or if necessary, slow down and pull off the road to let the driver go by you. Be sure to signal when you drive off the road and when you return to it. Do not press your brakes to warn the offending driver, this could make a difficult situation become more dangerous.
Q: I have heard that I can drive 5 or 10 mph over the posted speed limit without being ticketed. Is this true?
A: It is a violation of Kansas law to speed as little as 1 mph over the posted speed limit. The law states speed violations of 10 or less miles per hour over the speed limit in 55 to 70 mph zones will not count as moving violations for purposes of driving records.
Q: Can I get a speeding ticket if I drive with the flow of traffic?
A: Speed limits are set for the safety of all motorists and others along the roadway. There is no "flow of traffic" exception in Kansas law, and you risk being cited for speeding if you choose to exceed the posted limit.
Q: How fast can I go when I am passing another vehicle?
A: The speed limit is exactly that: a limit. You cannot legally exceed the posted speed limit to pass another vehicle.
All of that considered, we drivers are fish in a barrel.
Also from the Highway patrol.
Speed Safety Facts
Speeding reduces the driver's ability to steer safely around curves and avoid objects on the road.
Speeding increases the distance necessary to stop a vehicle. In fact, just a small increase in speed greatly increases the amount of room you need to stop. For example, at 70 mph a vehicle in proper working order takes 351 feet to stop, while at 55 mph a vehicle can stop in 217 feet.
Speeding increases the distance your vehicle will travel before you can comprehend there is an emergency and react to it. Each mile per hour you travel equates to 1.467 feet traveled per second. Therefore, a vehicle going 55 mph will travel 80.685 feet each second.
Sound Complicated?
Here is a simple way to figure how many feet per second your car is going. By simply adding half of the miles per hour you are going to your speed you will get your approximate speed in feet per second (within two percent). Next time you are driving, think of your speed in feet per second (at 60 mph you are covering approximately 90 feet per second). Now, consider how fast you can react.
Then, consider your car's kinetic energy. Kinetic energy, the moving force possessed by your vehicle, can be simply explained as the amount of force, or kick, your vehicle would have if it hit another object. For example, a small car (weighing about 1 ton) moving at a speed of 40 mph strikes with the same force as 18, ten-ton steam rollers traveling at 3 mph!
Now imagine you are driving a standard car at 60 mph (approximately 90 feet per second). Your kinetic energy now is more than that of 100 ten-ton steamrollers moving at 3 mph! Now you understand why SPEED KILLS!
Following too closely
Kansas law requires drivers to follow other vehicles at a reasonable and prudent distance, taking into consideration the speed of the vehicles and condition of the roadway.
Four of every 10 crashes involve rear-end collisions, usually because someone is following too closely (tailgating). Leave enough room between your vehicle and the one ahead so you can stop safely if the other vehicle stops suddenly.
Brake early and gently when preparing to stop or turn. It gives drivers behind you plenty of warning that you are slowing down. Be aware of space on either side of you, too, in case you have to change lanes quickly or pull over to avoid a hazard. If possible, leave yourself some escape room to your left and right.
For a safe traveling distance, use the two-second rule.
Choose an object near or above the road ahead, such as a sign, tree, or overpass. As the vehicle ahead passes it, slowly count aloud, "one thousand one, one thousand two." If you reach the same object before you finish counting, you are following too closely. Slow down and let the other vehicle get farther ahead. In bad weather, increase the count to three or four seconds for extra space.
If the driver behind you is tailgating, move to another lane if possible, or if necessary, slow down and pull off the road to let the driver go by you. Be sure to signal when you drive off the road and when you return to it. Do not press your brakes to warn the offending driver, this could make a difficult situation become more dangerous.
Q: I have heard that I can drive 5 or 10 mph over the posted speed limit without being ticketed. Is this true?
A: It is a violation of Kansas law to speed as little as 1 mph over the posted speed limit. The law states speed violations of 10 or less miles per hour over the speed limit in 55 to 70 mph zones will not count as moving violations for purposes of driving records.
Q: Can I get a speeding ticket if I drive with the flow of traffic?
A: Speed limits are set for the safety of all motorists and others along the roadway. There is no "flow of traffic" exception in Kansas law, and you risk being cited for speeding if you choose to exceed the posted limit.
Q: How fast can I go when I am passing another vehicle?
A: The speed limit is exactly that: a limit. You cannot legally exceed the posted speed limit to pass another vehicle.
All of that considered, we drivers are fish in a barrel.
Also from the Highway patrol.
Speed Safety Facts
Speeding reduces the driver's ability to steer safely around curves and avoid objects on the road.
Speeding increases the distance necessary to stop a vehicle. In fact, just a small increase in speed greatly increases the amount of room you need to stop. For example, at 70 mph a vehicle in proper working order takes 351 feet to stop, while at 55 mph a vehicle can stop in 217 feet.
Speeding increases the distance your vehicle will travel before you can comprehend there is an emergency and react to it. Each mile per hour you travel equates to 1.467 feet traveled per second. Therefore, a vehicle going 55 mph will travel 80.685 feet each second.
Sound Complicated?
Here is a simple way to figure how many feet per second your car is going. By simply adding half of the miles per hour you are going to your speed you will get your approximate speed in feet per second (within two percent). Next time you are driving, think of your speed in feet per second (at 60 mph you are covering approximately 90 feet per second). Now, consider how fast you can react.
Then, consider your car's kinetic energy. Kinetic energy, the moving force possessed by your vehicle, can be simply explained as the amount of force, or kick, your vehicle would have if it hit another object. For example, a small car (weighing about 1 ton) moving at a speed of 40 mph strikes with the same force as 18, ten-ton steam rollers traveling at 3 mph!
Now imagine you are driving a standard car at 60 mph (approximately 90 feet per second). Your kinetic energy now is more than that of 100 ten-ton steamrollers moving at 3 mph! Now you understand why SPEED KILLS!
Schexy1
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It is not about supporting a cop or supporting doing something illegal, it is about supporting someone doing what was nescessary.
I was in a restaurant one time where a guy was verbally abusing his girlfriend. several people were shushing but he ignored them. He got louder and more abusive and eventually it got physical. He threw a glass of water in her face. One guy got up and dragged him outside and pushed him on the ground while threatning him (assult and battery). The abusive boyfriend left and everyone in the restaurant cheered when the guy (hero and perpetrator) came back in.
I ask you this, were the restaurant patrons wrong for supporting or feeling good about a guy who did something illegal while doing something good?
I was in a restaurant one time where a guy was verbally abusing his girlfriend. several people were shushing but he ignored them. He got louder and more abusive and eventually it got physical. He threw a glass of water in her face. One guy got up and dragged him outside and pushed him on the ground while threatning him (assult and battery). The abusive boyfriend left and everyone in the restaurant cheered when the guy (hero and perpetrator) came back in.
I ask you this, were the restaurant patrons wrong for supporting or feeling good about a guy who did something illegal while doing something good?
jetsetter
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That's not even close to the same thing. The cop is a hero for moving the guy over, fine pin a medal on his chest, pass around a petition to have him given a pay raise, give him a ticker tape parade, but I'm sure in all his infinite wisdom, he could have done it without being so ridiculously close to the guy. The simple fact of the matter is the cop was being a bully, trying to intimidate the guy, and when that wasn't getting it done he flipped the lights on. I see people (that aren't cops) doing the same type of thing to other people on the highway all the time. That is the universal "move over cause I'm coming through" signal, I know people do it, but it's dumb.
jetsetter
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