Looks like the FCC lost

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Personally I think this is a win for the American people. The last thing we need is the govt trying to regulate the Internet... Business practices will prevail, if you have a good service people will stay, if you block the things people want they will leave and get a different provider....

WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal court threw the future of Internet regulations and U.S. broadband expansion plans into doubt Tuesday with a far-reaching decision that went against the Federal Communications Commission.


The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled that the FCC lacks the authority to require broadband providers to give equal treatment to all Internet traffic flowing over their networks. That was a big victory for Comcast Corp., the nation's largest cable company, which had challenged the FCC's authority to impose such "Net neutrality" obligations on broadband providers.

The ruling marks a serious setback for the FCC, which is trying to adopt official Net neutrality regulations. FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski, a Democrat, argues that such rules are needed to prevent phone and cable companies from using their control over Internet access to favor some online content and services over others.

The decision also has serious implications for the massive national broadband plan released by the FCC last month. The FCC needs clear authority to regulate broadband in order to push ahead with some its key recommendations, including a proposal to expand broadband by tapping the federal fund that subsidizes telephone service in poor and rural communities.

In a statement, the FCC said it remains "firmly committed to promoting an open Internet and to policies that will bring the enormous benefits of broadband to all Americans" and "will rest these policies ... on a solid legal foundation."

Comcast had no immediate comment.

The court case centered on Comcast's challenge of a 2008 FCC order banning the company from blocking its broadband subscribers from using an online file-sharing technology known as BitTorrent. The commission, at the time headed by Republican Kevin Martin, based its order on a set of Net neutrality principles it adopted in 2005 to prevent broadband providers from becoming online gatekeepers. Those principles have guided the FCC's enforcement of communications laws on a case-by-case basis.

But Comcast argued that the FCC order was illegal because the agency was seeking to enforce mere policy principles, which don't have the force of regulations or law. That is one reason that Genachowski is now trying to formalize those rules.

The cable company had also argued that the FCC lacks authority to mandate Net neutrality because it had deregulated broadband under the Bush administration, a decision upheld by the Supreme Court in 2005.

The FCC now defines broadband as a lightly regulated information service. That means it is not subject to the obligations traditional telecommunications services have to share their networks with competitors and treat all traffic equally. But the agency argues that existing law gives it authority to set rules for information services, including Net neutrality rules.

Tuesday's court decision rejected that reasoning, concluding that Congress has not given the FCC "untrammeled freedom" to regulate services without explicit legal authority.

With so much at stake, the FCC now has several options. It could ask Congress to give it explicit authority to regulate broadband. Or it could appeal Tuesday's decision to the Supreme Court.

But both of those steps could take too long because the agency "has too many important things they have to do right away," said Ben Scott, policy director for the public interest group Free Press. Free Press was among the groups that alerted the FCC to Comcast's behavior after The Associated Press ran tests and reported that the cable company was interfering with attempts by some subscribers to share files online.

The more likely scenario, Scott believes, is that the agency will simply reclassify broadband as a more heavily regulated telecommunications service. And that, ironically, could be the worst-case outcome from the perspective of the phone and cable companies, he noted.

"Comcast swung an ax at the FCC to protest the BitTorrent order," Scott said. "And they sliced right through the FCC's arm and plunged the ax into their own back."

The battle over the FCC's legal jurisdiction comes amid a larger policy dispute over the merits of Net neutrality. Backed by Internet companies such as Google Inc. and the online calling service Skype, the FCC says rules are needed to prevent phone and cable companies from prioritizing some traffic or degrading or blocking cheaper Internet calling services or online video sites that compete with their core businesses. Indeed, BitTorrent can be used to transfer large files such as online video, which could threaten Comcast's cable TV business.

But broadband providers such as Comcast, AT&T Inc. and Verizon Communications Inc. argue that after spending billions of dollars on their networks, they should be able to manage their systems to offer premium services and prevent high-bandwidth applications such as BitTorrent from hogging capacity and slowing the network for everyone else.

For its part, the FCC offered no details on its next step other than to stress that it remains committed to the principle of Net neutrality.

"Today's court decision invalidated the prior commission's approach to preserving an open Internet," the agency's statement said. "But the court in no way disagreed with the importance of preserving a free and open Internet; nor did it close the door to other methods for achieving this important end."
 
I have mixed feelings about this. Yes, I agree that the gov't should stay out of it - however, there are parts of the country where one doesn't really have a choice of provider.

I'm looking at being too far from the CO to get DSL. FiOS will probably never materialize and the only remote option I have is cable (after I find out what it will cost to get it run down the road). So, if the cable company starts restricting what I want/need to do - I don't have any other choice; I can't "switch" to DSL...

I do not consider satellite and/or "air-cards" to be "competition" to cable/DSL/FiOS. Both of them have very low upload speeds and they limit how much one can download, either by throttling or hefty "overage" charges.

For YEARS, the telephone companies have been collecting the "Universal Service Fund" fee - this is some FCC pet project to [supposedly] get telephone service to rural residents. Well, in 2010, I would rather have this $$ spent on getting affordable, high-speed (DSL, FiOS, Cable, etc) to rural residents. I don't need a telephone line. I have a mobile phone. And I can also use Skype or any of the other services that offer "VoIP" service.
 
I may be out on a limb here, but the internet is not free, we all pay for and ISP whoever that may be. Isnt this a luxery item? If I need to cut bills and save money, cancel satellite tv and internet, cell phones, etc. I dont expect the government to provide me with internet service if I cant afford it. They are involved in too much already.
 
I have mixed feelings about this. Yes, I agree that the gov't should stay out of it - however, there are parts of the country where one doesn't really have a choice of provider.

I'm looking at being too far from the CO to get DSL. FiOS will probably never materialize and the only remote option I have is cable (after I find out what it will cost to get it run down the road). So, if the cable company starts restricting what I want/need to do - I don't have any other choice; I can't "switch" to DSL...

I do not consider satellite and/or "air-cards" to be "competition" to cable/DSL/FiOS. Both of them have very low upload speeds and they limit how much one can download, either by throttling or hefty "overage" charges.

For YEARS, the telephone companies have been collecting the "Universal Service Fund" fee - this is some FCC pet project to [supposedly] get telephone service to rural residents. Well, in 2010, I would rather have this $$ spent on getting affordable, high-speed (DSL, FiOS, Cable, etc) to rural residents. I don't need a telephone line. I have a mobile phone. And I can also use Skype or any of the other services that offer "VoIP" service.

this may be a better option than cable. i highly doubt its anywhere near as fast though

i was looking into it a few years back when i was goin to build in a rural area

WildBlue: High Speed Internet via Satellite - official website

was just looking through that site and this nonsense wasnt there before

http://www.wildblue.com/legal/WildBlue_Fair_Access_Policy_28-Feb-2008.pdf

so it may not be viable at all....
 
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I may be out on a limb here, but the internet is not free, we all pay for and ISP whoever that may be. Isnt this a luxery item? If I need to cut bills and save money, cancel satellite tv and internet, cell phones, etc. I dont expect the government to provide me with internet service if I cant afford it. They are involved in too much already.


I hope we dont break this limb....I am with you. If I loose my job...cable and internet will be the first to go.
 
I may be out on a limb here, but the internet is not free, we all pay for and ISP whoever that may be. Isnt this a luxery item? If I need to cut bills and save money, cancel satellite tv and internet, cell phones, etc. I dont expect the government to provide me with internet service if I cant afford it. They are involved in too much already.

I understand it's not free. I'm not asking for free Internet, just affordable, high-speed Internet access. The USF fee that phone companies have been collecting for YEARS...decades - was to subsidize the build-out of phone networks so they can get phone service to those in rural areas. It wasn't to provide free service, just help offset the costs associated with getting the telephone network out to "remote" folks.

Well, in 2010, I don't think that we need "phone" service - I think we need high-speed Internet service. I think there should be a shift in what the USF is used for...shift it to help subsidize the cost of getting high-speed Internet to rural folks. Otherwise, it may never come to those who want/need it.
 
How is this different from electric companies or gas companies or water companies expanding service territory to serve addtional customers? Not arguring, just trying to understand.
 
I hope we dont break this limb....I am with you. If I loose my job...cable and internet will be the first to go.

Don't get me wrong - I understand what you're saying. And when I went through my divorce, cable and Internet were the first to go.

However, there are those that would like to have high-speed Internet, but can't get it. Or, in the case of my company, certain job positions REQUIRE that the employee have high-speed Internet at home. I can tell you that where I'm looking to move, DSL is not an option (too far) and Cable is not run to the neighborhood. A Verizon card is all I can use right now, and the signal is not that great (and Verizon is the only carrier with a decent signal in the area).

I'm currently talking with the Cable company to see what it would take to get a line run down to the house - but it may be at my expense. The USF will give $$ to the phone companies to run a phone line, but nothing for Internet. I don't care about a phone line...don't need one (unless it's for DSL. LOL)
 
I may be out on a limb here, but the internet is not free, we all pay for and ISP whoever that may be. Isnt this a luxery item? If I need to cut bills and save money, cancel satellite tv and internet, cell phones, etc. I dont expect the government to provide me with internet service if I cant afford it. They are involved in too much already.
go buy a 500' roll of rg6 for 72$ run your own wire down the road...:laugh: or pay me to do it for u
 
this may be a better option than cable. i highly doubt its anywhere near as fast though

i was looking into it a few years back when i was goin to build in a rural area

WildBlue: High Speed Internet via Satellite - official website

was just looking through that site and this nonsense wasnt there before

http://www.wildblue.com/legal/WildBlue_Fair_Access_Policy_28-Feb-2008.pdf

so it may not be viable at all....


I did look at them, but 1) they will throttle the bandwidth. In my job, I need to download HUGE files from Microsoft and other companies. There are days that I could exceed my limit in one day. 2) The upload speed is too slow. I would be using VoIP and VPN for work - Satellite is good for downloading, no so much for uploading. Further, Wild Blue said that they don't have the capacity in my area - so they are out anyway - even if for a temporary option.
 
How is this different from electric companies or gas companies or water companies expanding service territory to serve addtional customers? Not arguring, just trying to understand.

No gas out there, and it's well-water. LOL But the electric company has a decent infrastructure...all underground.

I understand what you're saying - I guess my answer to that is that the utility co just builds those build-out costs into their rates and it's passed on to everyone. I just wish the cable company would do the same. I've always felt that it should be just like electric, gas, water, phone....cable should also be run with those utilities to new construction. ...my opinion...
 
go buy a 500' roll of rg6 for 72$ run your own wire down the road...:laugh: or pay me to do it for u


LOL - I've thought about it, Todd. Though, I'd probably need 4 times that much. LOL I *think* there's a pedestal up the road; I can't get the cable co to confirm this. I'd check it out myself but the guy whose yard it's in shoots first and asks questions later. LOL

I'm hoping that there's a tap already there and there's enough signal that I could get an trencher and bury the feeder to the house... I just need confirmation of the location first.
 
You dont understand.
If the Govt controls the internet and pays for it for folks who cant afford it then those folks will be able to go online and print their welfare checks with the printer they just bought with stimulus checks !

They just want to make it easier to give your $ away is all...


:rofl:
 
I did look at them, but 1) they will throttle the bandwidth. In my job, I need to download HUGE files from Microsoft and other companies. There are days that I could exceed my limit in one day. 2) The upload speed is too slow. I would be using VoIP and VPN for work - Satellite is good for downloading, no so much for uploading. Further, Wild Blue said that they don't have the capacity in my area - so they are out anyway - even if for a temporary option.

yea no good for business type apps.

i love my cable internetz and its pretty fast upload and download. but i pay about 60 a month for it, IIRC. its through sudden link. i could get dsl but its through att and i hate them.:laugh:

hope you get it worked out.
 
@Saiid - LOL


I'll pay for the Internet - I'll even pay some of the install. This would all be less of a hassle if the USF would help subsidize some of the install...like it does for the phone line.
 
yea no good for business type apps.

i love my cable internetz and its pretty fast upload and download. but i pay about 60 a month for it, IIRC. its through sudden link. i could get dsl but its through att and i hate them.:laugh:

hope you get it worked out.


Agreed - I loved my cable when I had it. I paid for the top-tier of speed...and it came in handy when I was downloading stuff for work. I can live with slower download speeds - like 2Mbps (would suck, being used to faster)...it's the upload that's important to me. I need something close to 1 Mbps...oh - and low-latency is also a must... Satellite and air-cards have too much latency.
 
Agreed - I loved my cable when I had it. I paid for the top-tier of speed...and it came in handy when I was downloading stuff for work. I can live with slower download speeds - like 2Mbps (would suck, being used to faster)...it's the upload that's important to me. I need something close to 1 Mbps...oh - and low-latency is also a must... Satellite and air-cards have too much latency.

air cards are the biggest work going. wayyyy over priced for domestic use. it kills me to see people use them esp in the world of smartphones.
 
They weren't that bad when it was $60 for UNLIMITED data. But now they've all gone to $60 for 5 GB /month....that's just NOT enough for me. For the casual Internet user, perhaps. But in the age of streaming Netflix movies, Hulu and other streaming video technologies...5 GB is nothing.
 
They weren't that bad when it was $60 for UNLIMITED data. But now they've all gone to $60 for 5 GB /month....that's just NOT enough for me. For the casual Internet user, perhaps. But in the age of streaming Netflix movies, Hulu and other streaming video technologies...5 GB is nothing.

lol, my buddy found that out the hard way. 700 phone bill :lol:
 
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