Government mandated birth control

[raydog]

One thing I have learned from threads such as this is:

The people who are paid by the tax payer has one view while the tax payer who pays has an entirely different view in almost every case.

I don't think so....I was a Marine, a Coast Guard skipper, Harbor Patrolman, Deputy Sheriff, and a High School teacher in three states, and a TAXPAYER all the while. The soundbite "the government doesn't create jobs" is totally BS, I have always been a government employee which includes going to war, saving lives and educating youth.....and there's a lot more folks like me.

[RussellJ]

I think Dino has every right to take his helmet off his head and put it on his weiner!

This would solve all his issues with no cost to the tax payer!

[raydog]

He's an entertainer...

Saying he is an entertainer does not excuse his responsibility on the public airways to be moral and decent to innocent citizens. Look what they did to IMUS for his comments. Rush Limbaugh does not portray himself merely as "an entertainer", he is an influential power in the conservative movement. Everytime a consevative in the public spotlight says something negative about Rush, they come crawling back with a public apology. Rush is a powerful man with many daily followers that take him VERY seriously, that is a fact, I have a couple in my own family.

[captain]

Saying he is an entertainer does not excuse his responsibility on the public airways to be moral and decent to innocent citizens. Look what they did to IMUS for his comments. Rush Limbaugh does not portray himself merely as "an entertainer", he is an influential power in the conservative movement. Everytime a consevative in the public spotlight says something negative about Rush, they come crawling back with a public apology. Rush is a powerful man with many daily followers that take him VERY seriously, that is a fact, I have a couple in my own family.

Rush speaks for me probably as much as Nancy Pelosi speaks for you... They are both so far from what most people really feel that its a shame... I dunno you might just like Pelosi... But in all this make no mistake... there is no one in government that speaks for me completely. I think some democratic ideas are good and some republican ideas are good.. I am not a party line Republican, heck Doyle you and I probably you and I are pretty close on most things... Even my wife and I don't agree all the time... It's okay to not be eye to eye on everything but we have to at least respect each other enough to talk through it...

cap

[raydog]

Rush speaks for me probably as much as Nancy Pelosi speaks for you... They are both so far from what most people really feel that its a shame... I dunno you might just like Pelosi... But in all this make no mistake... there is no one in government that speaks for me completely. I think some democratic ideas are good and some republican ideas are good.. I am not a party line Republican, heck Doyle you and I probably you and I are pretty close on most things... Even my wife and I don't agree all the time... It's okay to not be eye to eye on everything but we have to at least respect each other enough to talk through it..

cap

Oh I think you are absolutly right on Doug, but it's just certain issues bring me pretty far to the left.....the environment, special needs people, education, and public service (firefighters, cops, nurses, teachers, etc. and their right to bargain). Oh one other that just came to mind....seperation of Church and State (I believe the more seperated they are, the more Freedom of Religion actually exists and thrives. Countries with no seperation are like Iran where you are only allowed to believe one way). Anyway, this has become the thread jack of the decade, sorry!

[captain]

Anyway, this has become the thread jack of the decade, sorry!

Letting these discussions go often times clears the air and lets us see that we might not be as far off as we thought... You are my friend, you are all Americans... we just need to remember that above all things...

[raydog]

Letting these discussions go often times clears the air and lets us see that we might not be as far off as we thought... You are my friend, you are all Americans... we just need to remember that above all things...

Yes and, as usual, thanks for your stabilizing influence!

[Rainbow7]

The government is not saying that religious institutions have to comply with this if they ONLY serve members of their faith.

Uh-huh. So, how is that fair in the case of this "Fluke" woman, who deliberately chose to go to a Catholic school, on a "Public Interest" scholarship (i.e. she isn't paying a dime for her education), and did so with the full intent of forcing that school to cover her for non-essential medication?

Rush was right: any woman who expects to have her sexual adventures paid for is a prostitute.

Do you truly believe that tax-payer funded contraception is a "right"? - Because that's what these idiots are trying to claim.

FYI, contraception has nothing to do with "reproductive health", despite what Miss Fluke seems to believe. (Having babies because you're a ***** doesn't damage your health.)

Saying he is an entertainer does not excuse his responsibility on the public airways to be moral and decent to innocent citizens.

BAHAHAHAHA! That woman is neither moral, decent nor innocent; calling her what she is is not wrong in any way, shape or form. I'm actually annoyed that Rush felt like he needed to apologise to her. I certainly wouldn't have. She is promoting an aggressively leftist agenda, so please don't try and pretend that she is a victim in this.

[raydog]

Uh-huh. So, how is that fair in the case of this "Fluke" woman, who deliberately chose to go to a Catholic school, on a "Public Interest" scholarship (i.e. she isn't paying a dime for her education), and did so with the full intent of forcing that school to cover her for non-essential medication?

Rush was right: any woman who expects to have her sexual adventures paid for is a prostitute.

Do you truly believe that tax-payer funded contraception is a "right"? - Because that's what these idiots are trying to cl

FYI, contraception has nothing to do with "reproductive health", despite what Miss Fluke seems to believe. (Having babies because you're a ***** doesn't damage your health.)





BAHAHAHAHA! That woman is neither moral, decent nor innocent; calling her what she is is not wrong in any way, shape or form. I'm actually annoyed that Rush felt like he needed to apologise to her. I certainly wouldn't have. She is promoting an aggressively leftist agenda, so please don't try and pretend that she is a victim in this.

I have read volumes about these issues and this woman and her character. I have an opinion that is grounded in information, not insults and aggression. Your discourse is rude and uninformed. You talk down to those you disagree with. I am blessed with having wonderful people in my life, many of whom I disagree with on various issues, however, when we disagree, we still respect one another. I sense no respect from you, I choose to not interact with you for fear that it would only be damaging. Raydog

[Big Bo]

If you want to have sex, pay out of YOUR pocket for protection. I have had enough of this **** that the taxpayer has to pay for everything that the public wants. Can`t afford condoms or pills, DON`T have sex. Got to do it. There are other ways to prevent getting pregnant. Both parties have a responsibility in this matter.

Tell you what, how about the Gov`t requiring ALL on Welfare get on birth control? Why not?

[Tufbusa]

I think the reason Rush gets under the skin of so many on the left is much of the time the left cannot defend themselves against his comments. I listen to Rush on occasion. Sometimes he is on the money and sometimes he makes much out of nothing.

But Doyle, don't you think that saying Rush speaks for the Republican party is like saying Bill Mar speaks for the Democrats? Rush makes his living by stirring the pot. Once you understand that, it mellows out his show and it's actually fun to listen too! No different than Rachel Madow or Keith Oberman. Attitude Doyle, all about attitude!

[VIPER]

I for one feel mandatory free birth control from health insurance companies is wrong. I just cant grasp why the government thinks it has the right to tell companies what they must do in running their company. You all know i hate government controling any more of our lives then they need to. I am not against birth control. I think it is a valuable medicine. Most insurance companies cover it with a deductible anyway. I guess i wonder whats next? They going to force insurance companies to offer free vasectomies? They offer the same protection as birth control. Maybe they will be clean up crew and force insurance companies to pay for abortions. The theory is the same. The government telling a company what they have to do. I think it is wrong and that is the issue the op was asking for opinions on.
As for the issue of the seperation of church and state....That is a rediculous joke. The seperation of church and state has gotten so far out of hand. Tell me how the churches are not companies avoiding taxes. Thats all it is. Dont get me wrong i am sure there are some exceptions out there but lets look at the facts. Religion is money. It is one of the longest lasting professions out there. I think it has been around longer then prostitution. Churches and religious organization bring in more money and dont pay taxes on it then any other entity out there.

[Rainbow7]

I have read volumes about these issues and this woman and her character. I have an opinion that is grounded in information, not insults and aggression. Your discourse is rude and uninformed.

Translation: "I can't refute anything you have said so I'm going to pretend that you have stated no facts at all and I'm also going to try and silence you by appealing to emotional arguments, like a woman would do..."

If, as you claim, you had "read volumes about this woman and her character", you would know that she is a liberal activist who deliberately chose that university just so she could try to force them to accept her beliefs, without her having to accept theirs. (It's funny how you liberals are hypocrites like that.)

Any woman who goes around pretending that she has a tax-payer funded "right" to contraception is an immoral fool.

I notice that you haven't answered any of my questions. Typical liberal.

[Bosshound]

Again we are missing the point. Kids are being raised with the Wrong Values and Morals !!! If having sex with a Bunch of Men defines your Character then YOU and your Parents Failed

Robert

[KFORCE1]

I think the reason Rush gets under the skin of so many on the left is much of the time the left cannot defend themselves against his comments. I listen to Rush on occasion. Sometimes he is on the money and sometimes he makes much out of nothing.

But Doyle, don't you think that saying Rush speaks for the Republican party is like saying Bill Mar speaks for the Democrats? Rush makes his living by stirring the pot. Once you understand that, it mellows out his show and it's actually fun to listen too! No different than Rachel Madow or Keith Oberman. Attitude Doyle, all about attitude!

Rush does not speak for specifically for the republican party but for conservatism at its core. Yes, he is an entertainer but he is not IMO just that. He thinks its a big fat joke when people brush him off as just an entertainer. He always uses humor to make a point or reveal the truth about an issue. He does as he stated in his formal apology illustrate the absurd with absurdity. He did however go a bit too far on this one and good on him for apologizing. And heck no he is not to be lowered to the same level as Bill Maher or Madame Pelosi. I agree the left cannot defend themselves against his comments.

This Blogger nailed it:

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/04/20/ordinary-people-view-rush-as-a-dangerous-svengali/

[KFORCE1]

If, as you claim, you had "read volumes about this woman and her character", you would know that she is a liberal activist who deliberately chose that university just so she could try to force them to accept her beliefs, without her having to accept theirs. (It's funny how you liberals are hypocrites like that.)

Any woman who goes around pretending that she has a tax-payer funded "right" to contraception is an immoral fool.

Yup! Hear hear.

[BusaWhipped]

I need insulin to live. Why isn't the Government telling the insurance companies they need to provide it without a copayment? The copays keep the cost of insurance down. So by mandating no copayment on birth control, it's increasing the cost of everyone's insurance. the insurance companies aren't going to just absorb the cost of this.

[Dino]

Dino I sure liked this place more when you didn't post...

What's up with this, Cap? I simply posted an informed opinion and you, the head guy, start in with personal attacks? If you disagree with my opinion I am very interested but why a personal attack, it is hurtful.

[raydog]

I think the reason Rush gets under the skin of so many on the left is much of the time the left cannot defend themselves against his comments. I listen to Rush on occasion. Sometimes he is on the money and sometimes he makes much out of nothing.

But Doyle, don't you think that saying Rush speaks for the Republican party is like saying Bill Mar speaks for the Democrats? Rush makes his living by stirring the pot. Once you understand that, it mellows out his show and it's actually fun to listen too! No different than Rachel Madow or Keith Oberman. Attitude Doyle, all about attitude!

Yes, I do Steven! Bill Maher does speak out for the left. Hey, some of the things said in this strand are virtually direct quotes from specific sources on the right, as in the mentality, "getting free pills for more sex". The men here that have posted simply don't understand the varied functions of birth control pills for women's health. I wish the loudest would have to be that lady and experience that level of victimization to make a political point on the airwaves. Anyways, no problem for me here, I just get my info from different sources and will stay in the "lovin life" mode. You, BTW, are one of the folks that, although we disagree on political issues, I enjoy you immensely! Doyle

[VaBusa]

What's up with this, Cap? I simply posted an informed opinion and you, the head guy, start in with personal attacks? If you disagree with my opinion I am very interested but why a personal attack, it is hurtful.

I have to agree here...if we all just post and AGREE, the place would be pretty boring. There's absolutely nothing wrong with respectful dissention.