None at all. Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs have been with us since the mid-60's (the "war on poverty") - care to guess how effective the $trillions spent have been in reducing the poverty rate?
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None at all. Lydon Johnson's "Great Society" programs have been with us since the mid-60's (the "war on poverty") - care to guess how effective the $trillions spent have been in reducing the poverty rate?
Dear raydog
Absolutely correct - I have read many of the documents you discuss - but remember, "MY" copy of the constution has 27 amendments - and there's no limit to the number of those amendments.
That does not change the argument - do you want a central Federal government with the unlimited authority to "fix" every social ill? Be careful of what you ask for - you might get it. “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.†(sometimes incorrectly attributed to Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin - Jefferson actually said "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yeild [TJ actually spelling], and government to gain ground")
Sorry raydog - agree with Tufbusa - I spent my time at the government trough (enlisted Navy, Naval Officer - LCDR USNR now) - while the military may be a job to you and I it is a drag on society the same way an insurance policy is a drag on your budget - the military is just insurance we can continue our way of life. The fact you pay taxes while drawing a salary from DoD does not change the fact you are not producing anything for the economy and the expense of your service was a drag on the economy. A necessary drag? Yes - I have insurance as does person wishing to manage their risk and I believe there is nothing more expensive than a second-class military (like cheap insurance - low rates are great until you need to file a claim). But still a drag on the economy.
For the record: I, a Republican, do not agree with everything Rush says, and especially the way he says it sometimes (the "shock value"). Rush could have used language other than "****" to have made his point about her sexual proclivity.
I submit the "totally innocent and well intentioned Georgetown Student" who has YET to work a day in her life, have a real job, kids, etc., does not have the life-history or perspective to know squat about this issue.
I too Doyle (and thanks for your service both you and Icy) had ate from the government trough as a public sector employee via miltiary service. But it was still funded from Taxpayers and I new it. As an S-3 (Operations), XO and Commander who had budget spending authority, you have no idea how many times I argued against doing stuff that would have personally benefited my pocketbook, but I didn't feel it was the best expenditure of taxpayer dollars - and there were a lot of people who didn't look at it that way. Yet, I felt the taxpayer was entitled to some bang for their buck, and I did my best to ensure they got it. However, at the same time, I was also working a private sector job, that it totally funded on the PRIVATE side, not the PUBLIC side.
I accidently deleted so of your quote, sorry.
I am not sure what your point is by Georgetown serves students of all faiths.
As an employer you can't discriminate based upon religion. So if a church is operating as a business they have to follow business rules.
I understand about your point about buying the helmet. Let me ask if there were so many head injuries that it resulted in insurance premiums being outrageous due to that cost of care AND giving out free (insurance company provided) helmets reduced injuries so significantly that it reduced everyone's premiums wouldn't it make sense to provide the helmet?
It only makes sense if you are willing to let the government give you everything you want, and are willing to sacrifice your freedom of choice to provide it. Newton stated "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction"; however, since the government is inherently inefficient, it would be "for every government action, there is half the efficient opposite reaction".
Then, of course we will also have those who GET the contraceptives for free, and then don't use them and sell them on the side (like a lot of WIC fraud going on) and get pregnant ANYWAY...
The church is taking that position based upon religious beliefs therefore they are discriminating against those who don't hold those beliefs. This is OK if they only serve members of their faith.
I don't understand what your comment has to do with mine. Either it makes sense or it dosen't from a cost saving point of view.
The feeling is mutual Doyle. I enjoy your threads/posts and read them more than once on occasion to be sure I didn't miss something. I agree with you on some issues and have yet another view on other issues. While I belong to no party I find myself having issues with both parties. I'd say I lean more towards Libertarian (Smaller Government and less government intrusion) than either of the two parties.
What seems to be quite obvious with threads such as this, is we are a divided country. The only absolute thing I have learned from this thread and others like it is, everyone has an opinion based mostly on where they get their information from and opinions CANNOT be argued. Political, Religious or Shinko tires
, any one of the above,,,,,,,,,,,,,,people dig in and defend their opinion to the dying breath. 
Fair enough then.... next time you have an emergency and need care you be so picky about which hospital you go to.... These hospitals server a community service too... But indeed if you think that is the right option, pushing the needs of the entire community out to another hospital 30 minutes away then so be it... If I were the Catholic leadership I would cut ties with all govt subsidy as this is what really got them into hot water.. when this happens they can do whatever they want.....
And to make one other point before I retire from posting on this thread, Dino may be the most opinionated soul on the forum when it comes to politics. Everything has to be an argument and Dino will beat a dead horse to a pulp 
before giving one thread of credibility to anyone who may disagree with his opinion! 
lease:
Nothing is ever settled in political threads. For some, winning at all costs becomes EVERYTHING!
before giving one thread of credibility to anyone who may disagree with his opinion! lease:Nothing is ever settled in political threads. For some, winning at all costs becomes EVERYTHING!
You can look at it from an employment issue and you can look at it from a religious perspective...either way both sides have their merits...
sadly, the political argument, as it often does, serves no purpose but to further drive division and cloud deeper issues within our socio economic spectrum and guys...neither one of those will be solved here...
Cheers, and Im back
sadly, the political argument, as it often does, serves no purpose but to further drive division and cloud deeper issues within our socio economic spectrum and guys...neither one of those will be solved here...
Cheers, and Im back
So by providing forced birth control children that are wards of the state will disappear ???
Oh and we must have tax payer free abortions, because of pregnancies caused by rape
lil charlie
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And to make one other point before I retire from posting on this thread, Dino may be the most opinionated soul on the forum when it comes to politics. Everything has to be an argument and Dino will beat a dead horse to a pulp
Nothing is ever settled in political threads. For some, winning at all costs becomes EVERYTHING!
Hey Tuf.....sounds to me like the pot calling the kettle black.
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