Government mandated birth control

[dadofthree]

the law mandates you wear a helmet in most states doesnt it???? I would like to see the government mandate that every 14 yr. old female be on some sort of long term birth control. teen pregnancy absolutely ruins their lives and the cycle continues again 16-18 years later when their kids get pregnant.

the average age of kids having kids in the city I work in is 18 years old. yes, 18 years old! I get sick of giving my hard earned tax dollars to kids who arent even out of high school yet and popping out babies they cant afford to take care of..... and then get on food stamps (WIC), welfare and section 8 for the next 18 years.

this isnt about religion, its about finances and 99% of 18 yr. olds cant afford to raise a baby. I would like to see a law passed that a female would have to be on birth control till she was 25 unless she gets married before that. if there was birth control for men I would want the same for them. reying on condoms just doesnt work obviously.

but then again I think if you chose to smoke you should have to pay 10x what anyone else pays in insurance cause smokers cost insurance companies billions every year and its completely preventable. I dont smoke but have to pay into insurance for those that smoke so when they get lung cancer, COPD or heart disease they can be treated at a cost of billions each year.

not to mention the average smoker will spend $100k in cigarettes alone over their lifetime. that to me is just comical that it would cost $100k for a shot a lung cancer or heart disease....

curtail teen pregnancy and smoking and save our country billions every year.

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[raydog]

Once again, the Republicans are using a non issue to make a "government is too imposing" issue out of it. I've listened to the Georgetown student's speech 4 times now and there is NOTHING stated about "having sex". Birth control pills are an integral part of women's health that work for MANY medical reasons (hormone stabilization, endometriosis, etc.). Just keep this rigid, inflexible ideology war going....and the position that "compromise is a sign of weakness" mentality.... and clear thinking women and men in this Country will sweep the "government is evil" mentality out of office in November.
I know there are many org members that agree with me, I get the PM's. That is gratifying.
Rush Limbaugh IS the Republican party, that's why decent moderates like Olympia Snowe are calling it quits.

Some people talk about birth control pills like "just another govt. handout so lazy, shiftless people, and "sluts" can have more sex. What a pathetic, short sighted and inadequate view of women's health overall. Raydog

[Busa1166]

I am all pro choice and all. But if this will raise the cost of healthcare plans of business whether it's a church or anything else is irrelevant they shouldn't be forced to add it to their health plans. It isn't a health issue, hell it doesn't even prevent std's Now if it doesn't affect cost then it should be covered, you would think insurance companies would cover it without additional cost since a pregnancy would cost them more. not sure how that works.

[Stilslo]

I was 22 and fresh out of the Navy when my girlfriend called and told me she was pregnant. I was going to finish up college and didn't even have a job. She tells me we can get goverment assistance, WIC and what not. I told her no way, this is my responsibility and the government was not going to raise my child. Quit school and took the first job I could find. I got a job at a sprinkler company installing fire sprinkler systems. It sucked, but I could work as many hours as I wanted. I was there for 1 1/2 years working 70 hours a week, until I got a better job, to support my child and so my girlfriend could stay home with her.

Young people don't do this anymore. They expect handouts and think they are owed something. I pay taxes out of my . Claim single and no dependants and still pay at the end of the year, but I don't mind programs like planned parenthood. I wish the goverment gave out free condoms, birth controll, and abortions. I don't want to pay for a mom on welfare and her kid for 18 years so he can break into my garage and steal my busa.

[skydivr]

Remember. This topic is about requiring churches and businesses to include and pay for contraceptives in their heathcare plans if they object.

- People can already get free contraceptives. They can go into planned parenthood and get any they want.
- They can walk down to a drugstore with a dr's script AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE any time they want.
- They can even choose, AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE, to terminate a pregnancy in most any state
- IF you want contraceptives in your healthcare plan, then WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT HAS THEM IN THEIR PLAN. You have no right to a job.
- DON'T WORK FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

This is not a thread about right to life, or womens rights, or medical issues. This is about a government imposing a rule on a private entity (the test being the Catholic Church) who does not believe in it on moral grounds. Stick to the OT.

Once again, the Democrats want someone ELSE to pay for their own responsibilities....

[jbriggs]

I'm all for insurance being forced to cover birth control. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than what we pay in taxes for unwanted children that become wards of the state, or unwanted uncared for children that become career criminals and end up in the penal system...

[raydog]

I was 22 and fresh out of the Navy when my girlfriend called and told me she was pregnant. I was going to finish up college and didn't even have a job. She tells me we can get goverment assistance, WIC and what not. I told her no way, this is my responsibility and the government was not going to raise my child. Quit school and took the first job I could find. I got a job at a sprinkler company installing fire sprinkler systems. It sucked, but I could work as many hours as I wanted. I was there for 1 1/2 years working 70 hours a week, until I got a better job, to support my child and so my girlfriend could stay home with her.

Young people don't do this anymore. They expect handouts and think they are owed something. I pay taxes out of my . Claim single and no dependants and still pay at the end of the year, but I don't mind programs like planned parenthood. I wish the goverment gave out free condoms, birth controll, and abortions. I don't want to pay for a mom on welfare and her kid for 18 years so he can break into my garage and steal my busa.

Your post is sensable and honorable. With that said I must disagree with you on one point you made...."young people don't do this anymore" is one of those absolute type statements that usurp any other points you make in the overall statement. I am a high school teacher and wittness daily young people making high level thinking type decisions, both in academics and on the home front. As typical, the information available to the public about young people is predominately grounded in the sensational....school shootings, gang culture, vandalism, etc. That's all we read about and view on TV. The FACT is, that for every bad kid, there are dozens of them doing their homework, chores around their house and learning in classrooms. It seems that, the older we get, the more alienated we become from the current youth culture. I remember a long time ago when I was a kid, I was censored for almost all that interested me, including my choices in music.
It's a much better world out there than we think, I see it everyday in our youth, including my own daughter that was a National Merit Scholar and is now studying to be a brain surgeon. I take little credit for her, except unconditional love and non judgemental support. All is not lost, no matter what Fox News says daily. Raydog

[raydog]

Remember. This topic is about requiring churches and businesses to include and pay for contraceptives in their heathcare plans if they object.

- People can already get free contraceptives. They can go into planned parenthood and get any they want.
- They can walk down to a drugstore with a dr's script AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE any time they want.
- They can even choose, AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE, to terminate a pregnancy in most any state
- IF you want contraceptives in your healthcare plan, then WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT HAS THEM IN THEIR PLAN. You have no right to a job.
- DON'T WORK FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

This is not a thread about right to life, or womens rights, or medical issues. This is about a government imposing a rule on a private entity (the test being the Catholic Church) who does not believe in it on moral grounds. Stick to the OT.

Once again, the Democrats want someone ELSE to pay for their own responsibilities....

As a matter of fact it is about womens rights AND the absurd tax dodging religions enjoy in the non profit realm. If the Catholic Church wants to play in the business world, then their non catholic employees should not be penalized. This subject is far reaching and even includes the "must have a sonogram prior to your abortion" bills that are flying around. These are all connected issues and it is shortsighted to pretend there is no interconnectedness.

[GNBRETT]

Remember. This topic is about requiring churches and businesses to include and pay for contraceptives in their heathcare plans if they object.

- People can already get free contraceptives. They can go into planned parenthood and get any they want.
- They can walk down to a drugstore with a dr's script AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE any time they want.
- They can even choose, AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE, to terminate a pregnancy in most any state
- IF you want contraceptives in your healthcare plan, then WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT HAS THEM IN THEIR PLAN. You have no right to a job.
- DON'T WORK FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

This is not a thread about right to life, or womens rights, or medical issues. This is about a government imposing a rule on a private entity (the test being the Catholic Church) who does not believe in it on moral grounds. Stick to the OT.

Once again, the Democrats want someone ELSE to pay for their own responsibilities....

yea that sounds great but the reality is its much more econimically sensible to mandate it in healthcare then to just say anyone can go to the drug store and get birth control. the fact is thats not what people do and you cant return a baby after its delivered.

procreation is a basic desire but the fact remains that most having babies these days cant afford them and the gov and insurance companies end up stuck with the bill.

the goverment imposes rules all the time that benifits society as a whole. if we were telling people that they were on their own if they got pregnant then im sure most would use a hell of a lot more caution but thats not the reality.

the reality is when u get pregnant the government and insurance companies pay for it. I dont see the test being the catholic party. just because they disagree with it doesnt mean its wrong to do. moral ground or not its not the catholic church paying for unwanted pregnacies, its the government that does.

most states require you to have auto insurance when u operate ur car so when accidents happen ur covered. no one intends to have an accident but they happen every day. just as unwanted pregnacies do.

[Stilslo]

Your post is sensable and honorable. With that said I must disagree with you on one point you made...."young people don't do this anymore" is one of those absolute type statements that usurp any other points you make in the overall statement. I am a high school teacher and wittness daily young people making high level thinking type decisions, both in academics and on the home front. As typical, the information available to the public about young people is predominately grounded in the sensational....school shootings, gang culture, vandalism, etc. That's all we read about and view on TV. The FACT is, that for every bad kid, there are dozens of them doing their homework, chores around their house and learning in classrooms. It seems that, the older we get, the more alienated we become from the current youth culture. I remember a long time ago when I was a kid, I was censored for almost all that interested me, including my choices in music.
It's a much better world out there than we think, I see it everyday in our youth, including my own daughter that was a National Merit Scholar and is now studying to be a brain surgeon. I take little credit for her, except unconditional love and non judgemental support. All is not lost, no matter what Fox News says daily. Raydog

Point taken. I should not lump all young people in one group. My daughter is 14 now and has grown into a wonderful responsible young lady and I am very proud of her. However if you think the value of hard work and personel responsibility is not diminishing in America, I think you are blinded.

[Icy1]

As a matter of fact it is about womens rights AND the absurd tax dodging religions enjoy in the non profit realm. If the Catholic Church wants to play in the business world, then their non catholic employees should not be penalized. This subject is far reaching and even includes the "must have a sonogram prior to your abortion" bills that are flying around. These are all connected issues and it is shortsighted to pretend there is no interconnectedness.

Not about "women's rights" (my copy of the constitution doesn't discuss it at all) or "freedom or religion" or any of the other points the talking heads on the Sunday morning political news shows, or Rush or any commentator to date has discussed.

Think of it this way - what authority does the US Federal government have to order this in any case? And if they can order this - then WHERE exactly is the limit? Can the FEDERAL government (not a state - remember driving/riding is a privilege granted by the state) require you to wear a helmet? To NOT modify your stock bike?

The entire issue with what some call Obamacare is the idea that the Federal government CAN MANDATE ANY BEHAVIOR - buying insurance - what is covered under that insurance - riding with a helmet - whatever. Again - nothing in my constitution which grants them this authority. Would it be a "public good" - yeah, maybe - but the down side is that once granted authority bureaucrats don't willingly stop - they just keep writing regulations.

The argument that "only" the Federal government can effectively do this (Obamacare) is no argument at all - sounds striking similar to what the man leading a small political party in 1930's Germany used to say about how only the state can correct certain wrongs. Look what a strong Federal government got us there.

I'll trade a "sub-optimum" solution for waking up one day and wondering what happened to freedom. Read Martin Neimoller

[GNBRETT]

what authority does the US Federal government have to order this in any case?

so if the federal government stated that they were no longer going flip the bill for welfare, food stamps and section 8 for single mothers having kids they cant afford would you have a problem with that?

[raydog]

Dear Mr. Icy1, If you study the Constitution in "your copy" then you should be clear about the original intentions applying only to white land owning MEN. You must disect the Federalist papers, the subsequent dialog of the founding fathers, the women's sufferage movement, and the awful realities that precipitated the Civil Rights Acts and Amendments and the history and reasons that produced the amendments we call the "equality amendments". My gawd, women couldn't even vote until the NINETEENTH was passed in 1920!
If "your copy" doesn't include the associated arguments, original limited meanings and subsequent changes, you have a very unfair and limited document in your hands.

[frisbee]

I think people should have to get a permit to have kids. After passing a parental class and show finacial responsibilty

[Tufbusa]

I think Dino has every right to take his helmet off his head and put it on his weiner!

This would solve all his issues with no cost to the tax payer!

[Tufbusa]

One thing I have learned from threads such as this is:

The people who are paid by the tax payer has one view while the tax payer who pays has an entirely different view in almost every case.

[BusaBret]

I think Dino has every right to take his helmet off his head and put it on his weiner!

This would solve all his issues with no cost to the tax payer!

From my dunce stool :cookoo:

[captain]

Once again, the Republicans are using a non issue to make a "government is too imposing" issue out of it. I've listened to the Georgetown student's speech 4 times now and there is NOTHING stated about "having sex". Birth control pills are an integral part of women's health that work for MANY medical reasons (hormone stabilization, endometriosis, etc.). Just keep this rigid, inflexible ideology war going....and the position that "compromise is a sign of weakness" mentality.... and clear thinking women and men in this Country will sweep the "government is evil" mentality out of office in November.
I know there are many org members that agree with me, I get the PM's. That is gratifying.
Rush Limbaugh IS the Republican party, that's why decent moderates like Olympia Snowe are calling it quits.

Some people talk about birth control pills like "just another govt. handout so lazy, shiftless people, and "sluts" can have more sex. What a pathetic, short sighted and inadequate view of women's health overall. Raydog

Doyle... Now who is being so Absolute? I'm a Republican does that mean that Rush speaks for me ABSOLUTELY not...

[raydog]

Doyle... Now who is being so Absolute? I'm a Republican does that mean that Rush speaks for me ABSOLUTELY not...

Glad to hear that....I wouldn't think so. Actually, I really hope Rush doesn't speak for A LOT of Republicans. I worry though because I see no Repubs speaking out against him on anything, especially regarding that totally innocent and well intentioned Georgetown student.

[captain]

He's an entertainer...