Well yes, and no. I was planning on replacing a damaged pazzo clutch lever I've been running for about 3 years with one of these. They look very similar and for $25 I don't think I can go wrong.
Chinese Pazzo Imitation Clutch and Brake Levers Installed
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Well yes, and no. I was planning on replacing a damaged pazzo clutch lever I've been running for about 3 years with one of these. They look very similar and for $25 I don't think I can go wrong.
The Us Government and other developed nations call the Chinese out all the time. They are stealing or what's commonly called reverse engineering a lot of stuff.
I really do enjoy your posts Tuf
China is a complex, multifaceted issue. You can't escape Chinese products even if you tried and to do so would be arduous at best. Instead of fighting the tsunami,go with the flow and try to score your own little impersonal victories of saving money. Buying American these days, depending, simply means overpaying for a product due to a horrible business scheme of artificially jacking prices up to offset the low number of sales coupled with higher labor costs. If you couple low sales with high labor costs you get $100 a piece levers.
Unless I am oversimplifying things, there is something that we can do, but it doesn't involve not buying Chinese products, it is getting our gov't to set outrageous tariff's on foreign goods. I would think that they could even specify which countries to do this to, say China and Korea, where labor rights are abysmal. This would allow for fair trade between Canada and European countries, while protecting domestic business, and creating pressure on China and Korea to come out of their third world country abysmal labor practices and compete on a level market.
I'm sure this would be a painful process however and many people would complain. If we adopted such a plan, I would be curious to know how many products' prices would skyrocket.
In short, what I am trying to say is, if you want to make a stand against China, do it with your vote. In the meantime, buy Chinese products and enjoy your own personal savings because you are only doing what every other American AND corporation is currently doing under current gov't regulations.
If you are an American business and reading this - I am simply stating - be competitive (competitive DOES NOT mean cheapest, it means competitive), or die. That simple.
In all honesty, this kind of reminds me of the old debate between supporting local business versus buying online.
I hope some of this makes sense, I am tired and partially watching Family Guy.
Well another big issue that American businesses face are high taxes. China, Korea, etc. subsidize business while America taxes the heck out of them and regulates the heck out of them. It is , what it is
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Very well said. If these levers don't work.......I'll buy the better quality Pazzos.
If they do work, Pazzo needs to step up their game to justify the cost.
Personally, if all the Pazzo patent protects is the exact shape of the lever, I think the2wheel could alter that a bit and still provide a much more salable product. However, there is no patent on lightening holes in things nor is there a patent on squeeze levers which have been in use on mechanical items for a couple centuries, at least. Other motorcycle levers have the dog leg shape so nothing original there. Pazzos are as conventional and utilitarian as can be...which is what makes them look racy, IMO.
Pazzo levers are not unique in form or function. Would they even be qualified for a US patent? If all Pazzo is selling is their name engraved on the lever somewhere, they can keep it.
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You should have been able to message them through Ebay messaging (which is how they ask to be contacted) to change order. Also, PayPal recommended email direct to the2wheel. Their edress is on the shipping order they send you by email.
They move pretty quick. Prolly too late to change order now but you still got a great deal even if you had to pay another $15
By reading their ad copy, I have the sense that we are not dealing with anyone who speaks English as a native tongue. Bosco, the sales rep seemed to understand my emails perfectly but his responses were worded very formally as though English was primarily used for business. I'm sure they are aware of the language situation. No complaints about communication difficulties that I have heard.
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I sent multiple message through Ebay, but his emails just repeated that $15 was the difference between the price of one or two levers ( the actual difference is around $8).
Other than a couple of nicks on one of the levers, they look nice.
Customer service when problems occur...brutal.
There are other vendor selling the same levers on Ebay for slightly more money. If and when I buy replacements, i will be trying one of them.
Other than a couple of nicks on one of the levers, they look nice.
Customer service when problems occur...brutal.
There are other vendor selling the same levers on Ebay for slightly more money. If and when I buy replacements, i will be trying one of them.
Mythos
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Silver with blue looks nice. You can order D3 knockoffs from these same guys, you understand? About $12. Bar ends too (a little funky looking, IMO). I don't believe they have plain chrome but I'm pretty sure they have colored chrome in the same hues as the levers. I got the whole treatment levers,grips& bar ends coming.
OneTrueRider
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If you get the "less expensive lever", please do a side by side comparison with the Pazzo and include pics. Hopefully that will put this issue to bed.
They have those same grips on ebay for like 15 bucks
Those bar ends are HUGE. Do they help vibration any?
Why can't we just go down to our local dealer and buythese chinese products across the counter?
They are extremely cheap, they are pretty and to the naked eye look exactly like those beautiful Pazzos.
Does ANYBODY know why not a single solitary sole in the USA keeps them on the shelf for sale?
Not even Wally World will stock them! WHY?
They are extremely cheap, they are pretty and to the naked eye look exactly like those beautiful Pazzos.
Does ANYBODY know why not a single solitary sole in the USA keeps them on the shelf for sale?
Not even Wally World will stock them! WHY?
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Why can't we just go down to our local dealer and buythese chinese products across the counter?
They are extremely cheap, they are pretty and to the naked eye look exactly like those beautiful Pazzos.
Does ANYBODY know why not a single solitary sole in the USA keeps them on the shelf for sale?
Not even Wally World will stock them! WHY?
Because the ChiComs sell them so cheap that there's no room for profit?
Mythos
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If somebody bought a few for GSXr1000s and had them sitting on the shelf, they would sell and the price could be marked up so there would be plenty profit. Only reason this isn't being done is that no shop owners know if these work and nobody wants to take a chance on customers bringing back levers that came from China and expecting a refund. No warranty on these things and I doubt it would pay to ship back to factory.
Rainbow7
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Because when they snap and get you killed, it's hard for your family to sue an anonymous Chinese eBay seller?
Ok i think thats enough man. Please just leave this thread be. The levers are exactly the same. Until you can prove otherwise I am asking you to hold your peace but these levers are stronger then the stockers and that is a fact
Rainbow7
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Russ, I've been trying to find the thread on AHC, but I have seen a comparison where a guy takes the Chinese levers and the Pazzo levers, cuts them in half and shows indisputably that they are not the same quality of metal. He proved that the cheapies are cast and CNC finished, not milled from billet like the Pazzos.
The reason I am critical of the Chinese levers is because I don't want you to get killed, man! It's not a criticism of you.
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