Buell's not dead......but.....

[sixpack577]

The one big rotor vs 2 small ones is a hard argument, as most streetbikes have fancy electronics and abs...but the Buell does not, and the one big rotor has more surface area as well as it heats up slower and cools faster.
The fuel and oil in the frame is nothing new, as his old bikes that got Superbike podiums were made the same way.
I liked the last version of the Buell 1190 too, but now that Buell is on their own, and have updated the 1190 to the new Hammerhead(Buell bought the patent from Rotrax for the engines).
This is Big Power, 185hp/101trq and weighs 419lbs full of gas...and can lose about 10lbs with a slip-on muffler.
Advertised as 'Analog', the fanciest/ only electronics are the ignition, fuel-injection, and dash.
I love Suzukis and Japanese motorcycles, but Buell rose up and proved over the years that he could compete.
Now the new Buells have been without any issues since their relaunch in 2022...something even Suzuki cannot say.
Buell has been constantly expanding their list of trained and approved service centers nationwide.
I do my own work, so no one else would work on any new bike of mine, outside of something expensive covered under warranty...which again, there does not seem to be any of.
Parts can be ordered and shipped to your door...just like the new bike itself can be, which eliminates the need to go to a dealer that sells the bikes on the floor, to which their are only a handful nationwide so far.
I've always loved the old Suzuki TL1kR's, and will probably still get one eventually.
I wanted a new Gen3 Busa, but it's unresolved issues soured me on that a few years ago and so far.
I have my Goldwing for cruising and 2up, as well as the 2 Gsxr1k's, one with dirtbike bars, so a pretty decent variety, only lacking a good V-twin sportbike(no I'm not a Ducati fan, and yes I like Aprilias), and I've always hoped for an American superbike that could compete with a Gsxr1k...so I have found my next bike.
I would order one...but I'm going to win this one.
It comes with $2k (that'll cover tax, tag, and title), but they have since added a trip to Buell with it...I Really want to tour the place and see how this is all done.

[Bumblebee]

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The one big rotor vs 2 small ones is a hard argument, as most streetbikes have fancy electronics and abs...but the Buell does not, and the one big rotor has more surface area as well as it heats up slower and cools faster.
The fuel and oil in the frame is nothing new, as his old bikes that got Superbike podiums were made the same way.
I liked the last version of the Buell 1190 too, but now that Buell is on their own, and have updated the 1190 to the new Hammerhead(Buell bought the patent from Rotrax for the engines).
This is Big Power, 185hp/101trq and weighs 419lbs full of gas...and can lose about 10lbs with a slip-on muffler.
Advertised as 'Analog', the fanciest/ only electronics are the ignition, fuel-injection, and dash.
I love Suzukis and Japanese motorcycles, but Buell rose up and proved over the years that he could compete.
Now the new Buells have been without any issues since their relaunch in 2022...something even Suzuki cannot say.
Buell has been constantly expanding their list of trained and approved service centers nationwide.
I do my own work, so no one else would work on any new bike of mine, outside of something expensive covered under warranty...which again, there does not seem to be any of.
Parts can be ordered and shipped to your door...just like the new bike itself can be, which eliminates the need to go to a dealer that sells the bikes on the floor, to which their are only a handful nationwide so far.
I've always loved the old Suzuki TL1kR's, and will probably still get one eventually.
I wanted a new Gen3 Busa, but it's unresolved issues soured me on that a few years ago and so far.
I have my Goldwing for cruising and 2up, as well as the 2 Gsxr1k's, one with dirtbike bars, so a pretty decent variety, only lacking a good V-twin sportbike(no I'm not a Ducati fan, and yes I like Aprilias), and I've always hoped for an American superbike that could compete with a Gsxr1k...so I have found my next bike.
I would order one...but I'm going to win this one.
It comes with $2k (that'll cover tax, tag, and title), but they have since added a trip to Buell with it...I Really want to tour the place and see how this is all done.

View attachment 1702684Sadly I will probably never see one in the wild, we have few sport bikes around here and even less dealerships

That hammerhead reminds me of the 1st Gen S1K

[Mythos]

I kind of look at MotoGP and WSBK for brakes....they are the innovators.......if rim rotors were the way forward, they would all have them in my opinion......

There's a reason why they don't.

Fuel in the frame is a good idea but I wonder about the effects if a bike were to sit too long like some do......we have many, many posts regarding bikes sitting and having fuel issues as a result.........and I've noticed my frame gets warm when riding on hot days, that will affect the fuel temperature.......our gas tank keeps the fuel somewhat cool....

As for brakes, the brakes on my Gen1 ZX-14 were as much as I could use and still had more which was outside the useable range. You lock the front wheel and that's it, more braking power is useless. Even my Gen2 Hayabusa could lock the front wheel with completely stock brakes. You just had to pull the lever almost to the grip. Now you take lighter bikes with shorter wheelbases and cartwheeling in a stoppy seems a real possibility. The brakes have gotten better since my Gen1 ZX-14. I don't know how useful more power in braking is. Better feel and better heat dissipation is the only way to improve brakes because they all have the power to lock the front wheel, even the busa. Carbon fiber rotors are newish but as for the pressure and friction required, I think the stopping power f brakes has been perfected for some time. For heat dissipation, you gotta ride extremely aggressively to notice any improvement over stock. I've never experienced brake fade but maybe with enough practice on the track, it would be a factor for me. ...so the wheel rotor might be way overkill but it is a cool variation from the standard setup.

Cool fuel is good like cool air. But again, I removed all the heat shields from the air box and engine on my old 14 and I didn't notice any change in performance. I think most riders would notice a lot more change in performance from having the weight of the fuel carried low rather than high. It might be a tradeoff that costs a couple peak hp. For a sport/street bike, I'll just about always take less weight instead of more power. Nothing wrong with more power but it's rare that I use full throttle on these bikes. Even so, it's good to know the bike is set up to produce its max hp whether you use it or not. The same goes for weight. There's not many of us who will be able to go faster because the bike is a few lbs lighter. All this modding business is for fun in my book. A stock bike is pretty damn fast.

[Mythos]

The one big rotor vs 2 small ones is a hard argument, as most streetbikes have fancy electronics and abs...but the Buell does not, and the one big rotor has more surface area as well as it heats up slower and cools faster.
The fuel and oil in the frame is nothing new, as his old bikes that got Superbike podiums were made the same way.
I liked the last version of the Buell 1190 too, but now that Buell is on their own, and have updated the 1190 to the new Hammerhead(Buell bought the patent from Rotrax for the engines).
This is Big Power, 185hp/101trq and weighs 419lbs full of gas...and can lose about 10lbs with a slip-on muffler.
Advertised as 'Analog', the fanciest/ only electronics are the ignition, fuel-injection, and dash.
I love Suzukis and Japanese motorcycles, but Buell rose up and proved over the years that he could compete.
Now the new Buells have been without any issues since their relaunch in 2022...something even Suzuki cannot say.
Buell has been constantly expanding their list of trained and approved service centers nationwide.
I do my own work, so no one else would work on any new bike of mine, outside of something expensive covered under warranty...which again, there does not seem to be any of.
Parts can be ordered and shipped to your door...just like the new bike itself can be, which eliminates the need to go to a dealer that sells the bikes on the floor, to which their are only a handful nationwide so far.
I've always loved the old Suzuki TL1kR's, and will probably still get one eventually.
I wanted a new Gen3 Busa, but it's unresolved issues soured me on that a few years ago and so far.
I have my Goldwing for cruising and 2up, as well as the 2 Gsxr1k's, one with dirtbike bars, so a pretty decent variety, only lacking a good V-twin sportbike(no I'm not a Ducati fan, and yes I like Aprilias), and I've always hoped for an American superbike that could compete with a Gsxr1k...so I have found my next bike.
I would order one...but I'm going to win this one.
It comes with $2k (that'll cover tax, tag, and title), but they have since added a trip to Buell with it...I Really want to tour the place and see how this is all done.

View attachment 1702684

OMG look at that exhaust, that's f-ing sick as hell! I would like to own one of those bikes! I didn't realize they were back in business but I'm glad they are.

[Bumblebee]

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I don't know the answer to that but the brake rotors were just one innovation I found fascinating about Buells. It sure looks like the "rim rotor" would offer a huge mechanical advantage over disks while being much less likely to overheat and warp. They probably are a bit heavier than a disk and generate a lot more gyroscopic force.

Fuel in frame is another great one. I don't know how much advantage these all add up to or else the Japanese would be doing them. It would be cool to own a sport bike with such unique performance features though. I'd love to see a company be as innovative as Buell was in designing motorcycles. Of course, keeping them affordable is a part of the equation too.

All true of course.

Technically nobody needs a motorcycle like a Hayabusa and we definitely don’t need a faster one.

The good thing is there are choices and we have the privilege to be able to make them.

Hopefully the Buell brand survives and thrives

[Red05]

As for brakes, the brakes on my Gen1 ZX-14 were as much as I could use and still had more which was outside the useable range. You lock the front wheel and that's it, more braking power is useless. Even my Gen2 Hayabusa could lock the front wheel with completely stock brakes. You just had to pull the lever almost to the grip. Now you take lighter bikes with shorter wheelbases and cartwheeling in a stoppy seems a real possibility. The brakes have gotten better since my Gen1 ZX-14. I don't know how useful more power in braking is. Better feel and better heat dissipation is the only way to improve brakes because they all have the power to lock the front wheel, even the busa. Carbon fiber rotors are newish but as for the pressure and friction required, I think the stopping power f brakes has been perfected for some time. For heat dissipation, you gotta ride extremely aggressively to notice any improvement over stock. I've never experienced brake fade but maybe with enough practice on the track, it would be a factor for me. ...so the wheel rotor might be way overkill but it is a cool variation from the standard setup.

Cool fuel is good like cool air. But again, I removed all the heat shields from the air box and engine on my old 14 and I didn't notice any change in performance. I think most riders would notice a lot more change in performance from having the weight of the fuel carried low rather than high. It might be a tradeoff that costs a couple peak hp. For a sport/street bike, I'll just about always take less weight instead of more power. Nothing wrong with more power but it's rare that I use full throttle on these bikes. Even so, it's good to know the bike is set up to produce its max hp whether you use it or not. The same goes for weight. There's not many of us who will be able to go faster because the bike is a few lbs lighter. All this modding business is for fun in my book. A stock bike is pretty damn fast.

I feel exactly the same about the Tuono. I put forged wheels on it and it just made it that much better than I am. It certainly doesn't need more power or brakes.

[bigboy]

I have an 1190rx. It handles better than any bike ive ever ridden. The ergonomics are great and its probably one of the best looking and most unique bikes ever made along with the Ktm rc8. The brakes feel amazing right out the box.

That being said its SLOW AF on top. In the canyons or a tight technical track is where that torque and handling would DOMINATE! But get into triple digits and your getting killed by every other liter bike.

If you do the speed limits on the road its fine. If your an irresponsible hooligan like myself then you will be getting dusted on the freeway. I LOVE buell I LOVE the bike but I dont think its worth the price tag. Its a Race bike that doesn't have enough power.

Their other bikes supercruiser, 1190sx , Supertouring, I'd say are a lil pricey but worth it

[sixpack577]

I have an 1190rx. It handles better than any bike ive ever ridden. The ergonomics are great and its probably one of the best looking and most unique bikes ever made along with the Ktm rc8. The brakes feel amazing right out the box.

That being said its SLOW AF on top. In the canyons or a tight technical track is where that torque and handling would DOMINATE! But get into triple digits and your getting killed by every other liter bike.

If you do the speed limits on the road its fine. If your an irresponsible hooligan like myself then you will be getting dusted on the freeway. I LOVE buell I LOVE the bike but I dont think its worth the price tag. Its a Race bike that doesn't have enough power.

Their other bikes supercruiser, 1190sx , Supertouring, I'd say are a lil pricey but worth it

I wonder how the sx compares to the HammerHead, tune wise?
I see that their ecus can be flashed and cats removed on them all.

Got any pics?
I'm also an old hoon, and after a good v-twin powered bike.
I didn't expect it to beat a piped and tuned modern liter bike, but be more than enough to walk away when the road gets twisty.
Big torque engines usually make for fun wheelie machines too.
I already have a fast liter bike to ride anyway.

[bigboy]

I wonder how the sx compares to the HammerHead, tune wise?
I see that their ecus can be flashed and cats removed on them all.

Got any pics?
I'm also an old hoon, and after a good v-twin powered bike.
I didn't expect it to beat a piped and tuned modern liter bike, but be more than enough to walk away when the road gets twisty.
Big torque engines usually make for fun wheelie machines too.
I already have a fast liter bike to ride anyway.

I believe they are tuned the same. I would LOVE to hit a Canyon Rd on this bike. Unfortunately I dont live anywhere near them. And it SOUNDS AMAZING with a Dean adams or APH exhaust

[CBXRider]

Where do you live? Fill in your profile, someone may live nearby and knows some good roads.

[CBXRider]

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All true of course.

Technically nobody needs a motorcycle like a Hayabusa and we definitely don’t need a faster one.

The good thing is there are choices and we have the privilege to be able to make them.

Hopefully the Buell brand survives and thrives

..."Technically nobody needs a motorcycle like a Hayabusa and we definitely don’t need a faster one."

What's that? What's that you say?