***Billet Cam Chain Guide***

Hey Jinkster would simply counterboring the block partially to allow a shorter(not as short as oem) bolt to be used help any? Another if there is room and enough structure to support it what about opening up the existing tapped holes for a helicoil? I have worked in aerospace and they are used extensively to greatly increase the allowable torque on bolts and decrease the wear on the threads. Just a thought but I do not have firsthand experience with this part of our engines.
 
(BusaBret @ Jul. 08 2007,08:00) Hey Jinkster would simply counterboring the block partially to allow a shorter(not as short as oem) bolt to be used help any? Another if there is room and enough structure to support it what about opening up the existing tapped holes for a helicoil? I have worked in aerospace and they are used extensively to greatly increase the allowable torque on bolts and decrease the wear on the threads. Just a thought but I do not have firsthand experience with this part of our engines.
they are all good thoughts...and right in line with my thinking...heli-coils would definantly help...and yes...c-bore w/ shorter bolts is key...but like i said...once you c-bore and use shorter bolts?...you elviate the need for all that extra material even being there...which means the part could be trimmed and lightened considerably yet could easily be designed to be 2-3 x's stronger than the oem unit...without going over 1/4" thick at the base or over-stressing/leveraging the mounting points.

L8R, Bill.
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(JINKSTER @ Jul. 08 2007,10:46) H
no.....that shid is black delrin...hard as a rock...it's made to guide metal moving parts without wearing the metal..and it sacrifices (wears) itself instead of the cam chain links but...just barely..and lasts a reeeeeal long time...so no...the black delrin is very hard...if it were any softer?...it would wear away in a heartbeat...and on that note?...it appears that the new and improved version is using white nylon...possibly with a percentage of  teflon additive....that will wear very quickly as compared to black delrin...which is why i suspect he will be doing "wear checks" throughout the testing of his already patented part.

L8R, Bill.
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So once again Jinkster you have little idea what you are talking about. There is no way in hell that I would use Nylon. It does not have superior wear properties that are needed for such a part. If you were a true machinst as you say you would know that Delrin also comes in white. You comment on things that you have no idea on what is going on. I don't have a Turbo and this has happened on N/A (naturally Aspirated if you didn't know) also. Here is a link to White Delrin http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_lathe/Materials/materials.htm scroll down to the bottom. Now is there anymore misinformation that you would like to give?
 
This is just a question (more or less) so don't aim the flamethrowers at me just yet. I believe Suzuki designed this part simply as a guide for the cam chain, not as any kind of tensioner. As I understand it (and I can't say that I truly do) this things job is to assure that the inertia generated by the top run of the chain does not generate any unwanted fluctuations in cam timing or undue stress on any of the valvetrain components. It appears as though the part was originally designed to flex to some extent as no piece of sheet metal would have the strength to truly remain stationary in this situation given the mounting points and materials already discussed here. For the part to fail there could be other issues at play here. Could the valve train had some contributing factors that caused this. Stretched chain, bad tensioner etc? I know APE sells a Roller chain conversion kit for the Busa that is purportedly much stronger than the stock Hivo chain. Sounds like the stock chain may be a suspect component. Schnitz website even goes so far as to recommend replacing it every 15K! Here is some good reading on the subject.

http://www.hayabusazone.com/rcconversion.html

I'll run along now.
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(bigoltool @ Jul. 08 2007,11:32) This is just a question (more or less) so don't aim the flamethrowers at me just yet. I believe Suzuki designed this part simply as a guide for the cam chain, not as any kind of tensioner. As I understand it (and I can't say that I truly do) this things job is to assure that the inertia generated by the top run of the chain does not generate any unwanted fluctuations in cam timing or undue stress on any of the valvetrain components. It appears as though the part was originally designed to flex to some extent as no piece of sheet metal would have the strength to truly remain stationary in this situation given the mounting points and materials already discussed here. For the part to fail there could be other issues at play here. Could  the valve train had some contributing factors that caused this. Stretched chain, bad tensioner etc? I know APE sells a Roller chain conversion kit for the Busa that is purportedly much stronger than the stock Hivo chain. Sounds like the stock chain may be a suspect component. Schnitz website even goes so far as to recommend replacing it every 15K! Here is some good reading on the subject.

http://www.hayabusazone.com/rcconversion.html

I'll run along now.  
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The Top cam chain guide is under little stress. The Cam caps hold down the cams as they turn. Harmonics from the cam lobes cause major vibration on the top of the motor. At 10,000 rpm the cams spin 40,000 rpm. The top guide is not designed to flex. The 2 lower cam chain guides are flexible,Suzuki reengineering the 2 lower guides in 2001 to flex and did a Cam Chain tensioner recall to add the flexible parts to the 99-00 Busas. If the top guide were to flex it would be possible for the chain to jump a couple of teeth on the sprockets which would cause the pistons and valves to hit. It is possible to remove the top guide completely from the Cam chain system but the ratchet on the tensioner needs to be machined to do so. Engine builders that do this use a manual tensioner so that the inertia on the chain does not ride upward when the camchain hit the apex of the cam chain sprockets.
 
(Gixx1300R @ Jul. 08 2007,11:48)
(bigoltool @ Jul. 08 2007,11
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) This is just a question (more or less) so don't aim the flamethrowers at me just yet. I believe Suzuki designed this part simply as a guide for the cam chain, not as any kind of tensioner. As I understand it (and I can't say that I truly do) this things job is to assure that the inertia generated by the top run of the chain does not generate any unwanted fluctuations in cam timing or undue stress on any of the valvetrain components. It appears as though the part was originally designed to flex to some extent as no piece of sheet metal would have the strength to truly remain stationary in this situation given the mounting points and materials already discussed here. For the part to fail there could be other issues at play here. Could  the valve train had some contributing factors that caused this. Stretched chain, bad tensioner etc? I know APE sells a Roller chain conversion kit for the Busa that is purportedly much stronger than the stock Hivo chain. Sounds like the stock chain may be a suspect component. Schnitz website even goes so far as to recommend replacing it every 15K! Here is some good reading on the subject.

http://www.hayabusazone.com/rcconversion.html

I'll run along now.  
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The Top cam chain guide is under little stress. The Cam caps hold down the cams as they turn. Harmonics from the cam lobes cause major vibration on the top of the motor. At 10,000 rpm the cams spin 40,000 rpm. The top guide is not designed to flex. The 2 lower cam chain guides are flexible,Suzuki reengineering the 2 lower guides in 2001 to flex and did a Cam Chain tensioner recall to add the flexible parts to the 99-00 Busas. If the top guide were to flex it would be possible for the chain to jump a couple of teeth on the sprockets which would cause the pistons and valves to hit. It is possible to remove the top guide completely from the Cam chain system but the ratchet on the tensioner needs to be machined to do so. Engine builders that do this use a manual tensioner so that the inertia on the chain does not ride upward when the camchain hit the apex of the cam chain sprockets.
I do have a manual tensioner on mine BTW...Im Excited for Testing Nick
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(Gixx1300R @ Jul. 08 2007,13:48) At 10,000 rpm the cams spin 40,000 rpm.
Hmmm. Are you sure about this? @ 10,000 the cams should be spinning at 5,000. Or maybe I'm doing the math wrong.
 
(Professor @ Jul. 08 2007,13:19)
(Gixx1300R @ Jul. 08 2007,13:48) At 10,000 rpm the cams spin 40,000 rpm.
Hmmm. Are you sure about this?  @ 10,000 the cams should be spinning at 5,000. Or maybe I'm doing the math wrong.
+1 cams on four stroke motors turn @ 1/2 crank shaft speed
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(BA BUSA @ Jul. 08 2007,13:59)
(Professor @ Jul. 08 2007,13:19)
(Gixx1300R @ Jul. 08 2007,13:48) At 10,000 rpm the cams spin 40,000 rpm.
Hmmm. Are you sure about this?  @ 10,000 the cams should be spinning at 5,000. Or maybe I'm doing the math wrong.
+1 cams on four stroke motors turn @ 1/2 crank shaft speed  
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damn my bad, you are correct,I was thinking about something else
 
A highly accountable source for valve train harmonics would be transmitting from the   Dual Interference Fit Valve Springs used . Seen evidence of it on another part before .

Make that two up top , aftermarket sprocket holders not pressed on the same distance and the cam chain is running out of true alignment and harmonics can break the chain guide .

Anway ----- I need a couple billet impellers machined for a water pump modification -

Gixx1300R contact me if you want to knock out a couple .
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