Welcome VJ...
"compete with the warrior", why? the vtx has more power and it outruns the warrior in every test that's out. now, the v-rod on the other hand is more powerful and faster than the vtx. if weight is the issue, why get a cruiser in the first place? it's kinda like some cruiser riders that want more power.sORRy bro, that vtx just carries too much weight, the look & suspension is pretty dated too…but have no fear, I heard that Honda is gonna come out with a new “new school performance cruiser†to compete w/ the Warrior & Vrod, the spy pics are somewhere one the net. Look for it in ’05 or ’06, peaceNice bike, I do like the rocket III Roadstar warrior?maybe for my wife lol they are pretty weak compared to a REAL cruiser. VTX 1800 baby all hat needs to be said!!
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Well the VTX isnt going to get anywhere near the Rocket III performance wise. Its just not going to happen. There is an extra 500cc worth of displacement there. 2300 or a little over I think. The VTX wont even be able to stay close enough to see the brakelight on that bad boy."compete with the warrior", why? the vtx has more power and it outruns the warrior in every test that's out. now, the v-rod on the other hand is more powerful and faster than the vtx. if weight is the issue, why get a cruiser in the first place? it's kinda like some cruiser riders that want more power.sORRy bro, that vtx just carries too much weight, the look & suspension is pretty dated too…but have no fear, I heard that Honda is gonna come out with a new “new school performance cruiser†to compete w/ the Warrior & Vrod, the spy pics are somewhere one the net. Look for it in ’05 or ’06, peaceNice bike, I do like the rocket III Roadstar warrior?maybe for my wife lol they are pretty weak compared to a REAL cruiser. VTX 1800 baby all hat needs to be said!!
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Appreciate the clarification, VJ! I would still disagree about folks telling others that owning a 'Busa as a first bike is a mistake. Again, I have read most of these posts and though there is some of that if you continue reading the post it will show these same questions being asked and answered. It is absolutely an individual choice to buy a motorcycle. There are individuals that buy 'Busas but don't belong to this board, so we certainly aren't out on any crusade. I probably had fewer miles experience than VA had spread over a longer period of time before buying a 'Busa. I just knew I wanted one and was going to get one. Bought it and then joined this board.
Now why would WE do THAT?!I'll be here if for nothing else to give you guys somebody to give a hard time to if I dont get a BUSA. LOL
Hey VJ, U are so on the money. SOME of these metric riders crack me up ‘cuz all they do is rip Harleys all day & then they spend the same amount of time & money trying to make their bikes look & sound “just like a Harleyâ€â€¦sorry, but talk about posers. Look at the Rune, the Rocket, Vrod, Warrior, the older but ahead of it’s time Vmax, even the Mean Streak, all of these bikes are cruisers but have there own distinctive modern looks without wanting to look like a old school HARLEY soft tail. I can’t wait to pay off my Busa & in a couple of years (& keep it of course) & then get a new “performance cruiser†from whomever in this new highly competitive market...the future is gonna get pretty exciting!
Sorry to mess the thread, the rocket numbers are impressive. If U can deal w/ all that weight then that's good for U. Someone broke on my bike & I lost it.
I see someone else agrees with me about the warrior being weak as hell. PLease get off the warriors high horse, Hondas are the only company with great cruisers. When it comes to motorcycles, Honda (cruisers) and Suzuki (sportsbikes) are the ONLY two companies worth discussing, all the rest are a waste of time and money"compete with the warrior", why? the vtx has more power and it outruns the warrior in every test that's out. now, the v-rod on the other hand is more powerful and faster than the vtx. if weight is the issue, why get a cruiser in the first place? it's kinda like some cruiser riders that want more power.sORRy bro, that vtx just carries too much weight, the look & suspension is pretty dated too…but have no fear, I heard that Honda is gonna come out with a new “new school performance cruiser†to compete w/ the Warrior & Vrod, the spy pics are somewhere one the net. Look for it in ’05 or ’06, peaceNice bike, I do like the rocket III Roadstar warrior?maybe for my wife lol they are pretty weak compared to a REAL cruiser. VTX 1800 baby all hat needs to be said!!
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agreed on the preference part but not on the vtx being more generic harley look alike. i think the warrior with it's push rod air cool engine and belt drive is an exact clone of harleys. v-rod on the other hand is a harley so need to go there. i also agreed that vtx, warrior or v-rod aren't going to get anywhere near the rocket 3 performance wise if the initial numbers are accurate. like you say, different strokes for different folks.Well the VTX isnt going to get anywhere near the Rocket III performance wise. Its just not going to happen. There is an extra 500cc worth of displacement there. 2300 or a little over I think. The VTX wont even be able to stay close enough to see the brakelight on that bad boy."compete with the warrior", why? the vtx has more power and it outruns the warrior in every test that's out. now, the v-rod on the other hand is more powerful and faster than the vtx. if weight is the issue, why get a cruiser in the first place? it's kinda like some cruiser riders that want more power.sORRy bro, that vtx just carries too much weight, the look & suspension is pretty dated too…but have no fear, I heard that Honda is gonna come out with a new “new school performance cruiser†to compete w/ the Warrior & Vrod, the spy pics are somewhere one the net. Look for it in ’05 or ’06, peaceNice bike, I do like the rocket III Roadstar warrior?maybe for my wife lol they are pretty weak compared to a REAL cruiser. VTX 1800 baby all hat needs to be said!!
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As for the warrior vs vtx vs vrod its all just a matter of preference. I like the warrior and vrod. Im 27 and Im not into the generic Harley lookalike cruiser. If I get a bike that looks like a Harley its going to be one. Do you like your junk to hang to the left or right? Thats the same as warrior vs. VTX it is going to be different with every person you see. Just like Hayabusa or ZX-12. Different strokes for different folks. The warrior is for people who like innovation instead of conventional cruiser thinking. The VTX is just an extremely large displacement cruiser. The Warrior is innovative and it pushes the market forward with its design and implementation. The Rocket III is going to be something else entirely. More of a standard than a cruiser. Im thinking its a beast more along the lines of the v-max only bigger and scarier. If somebody wants to send me a demo to ride for a few months I would be more than happy to report back to you weekly and give a thourogh write up at the end of my testing with the bike.
-vJ-
na man, you got it wrong about my points or me going to many vtx sites. you also got it wrong by assuming i like the vtx and think it's better than the warrior. you like the warrior more than the vtx and i can say the same about you, we get it and we still aren't really interested either. what you got right is "nobody is this or that and what it does or whos got the biggest whatever". the points i made was something that i disagreed in the postings, like my points, why compete w/ the warrior when the vtx is already more powerful and faster and the vtx looks less like a harley than a warrior because it doesn't shared the push rod air cool engine and belt drive. we all know that the vtx is a little faster than the warrior and the warrior is a better handler in the tests that were done so no need to go there, like you say "been discussed and beaten to death." i still think that warrior looks more like a harley due to the reasons i stated already and it's not a bad thing to look like a harley but that just my view. "who get a warrior don't get it because it's the most powerful bike", agreed, why get any cruiser if you want power. like you, i know how much power they all have, the vtx does have more power than the warrior, that just the facts. "oh and by the way the engine on the warrior is upgraded and has a larger displacement than the regular road star", btw, the road star also shares the same larger displacements with the road star warrior now. however, i don't like either or saying one is better than the other, that's why i ride a busa, just sharing my thoughts on those points and it's not better or worse than yours. sure, i live in california but if i ever pass by your neck of the wood, i'll hit you up for a ride. "it makes you smile to ride then you have all that you need", couldn't agreed w/ you more and trust me, the busa gives me the biggest smile in the world. thanks!An engine is an engine. The styling of the bike isnt the engine. You can have 10 different custom bikes with the same S&S engine and they will all look completely different. The styling and look of the bike come from the frame, the bodywork and its placement and everything except the engine. Every motorcycle with a V-Twin engine is going to look basically the same in the area of the motor. Two cylinders with the heads on and then below lies the bottom end and gearbox.
Pushrods engines are easier to design and are also more reliable. Why do you think companies have been making them for as long as there have been internal combustion engines. In the same way belt drive is also easier to maintain and generally more reliable than chains. Nothing to clean and grease on a belt. The only thing to do is adjust the play in it. Granted shaft final drive is probably the best for reliability and ease of use but it adds weight and costs more than either chain or belt drive.
You have just been on too many VTX sites and have been brainwashed by the goons on the forums who have a VTX tattoo on their fat pimply ass. The truth of the matter is that yes the Road Star was a harley clone. JUST LIKE THE VTX. The warriors only common link to that bike is the name and the engine. Oh and by the way the engine on the warrior is upgraded and has a larger displacement than the regular road star. The warrior has a specially designed frame and suspension and brake parts off of current sportbikes in the yamaha line. People who get a warrior dont get it because its the most powerful bike. They get the warrior so when some goon on a "more powerful" VTX tries to follow them up a winding mountain road they can drive off and leave them wondering where the rocketship in front of them went.
The whole point is that nobody cares which bike is this or that and what it does or whos got the biggest whatever. We all like bikes and they are all capeable of taking you where you want to go and letting you have fun getting there. What peoples ideas of fun are is up to them. Some like getting there slow and easy and some like to have the front wheel off the ground going through the gears and going fast enough to get there before they even leave their house. I like the VTX its a good looking bike. I know how much power they all have and I know which one I like and which one Aztecwarrior likes... The Warrior. You like the VTX and think its better than the warrior. We get it and we still arent really interested. Its like all the Hayabusa vs. ZX-12 or R-1 vs. GSX-R 1000 they have all been discussed and beaten to death. We know what you like and we are glad you enjoy your bike and if you are ever in arkansas after I get a bike I would love to go riding with you all.
Back to the Rocket III....
If it really weighs about 700lbs wet with that much torque its going to be a monster to keep traction on that back tire. Then again think about the fact that some crazy guy is going to figure out a way to put a turbo on it!I am officially getting chills just thinking about it. If triumph had a decent dealer network and the maintainence schedule wasnt so expensive to do I would get a Speed triple. Only one dealer in the area and that means that your wallet is gonna get hit when its time for the valve adjustment.
I dont have a bike and I think any bike at all is a good one. So the arguments about whats more powerful dont matter. If you have a 250 Rebel and it makes you smile to ride it then you have all that you need.
-vJ-
i agreed with you on the age thing and the mighty v-max. the 2000 couldn't beat the vtx 1800c in 1/4 mile according to the tests that were done but i'm sure it has more top end than the vtx. just like the rune and goldwing, couldn't outrun the vtx in the quarters but it has more top ends due to more power. lastly, mighty max is still on top of the food chain in regards to cruisers.Really nothing to add here, same old song. In general, the older guys want a straight-line cruisers with traditional looks with as much power & weight (for bragging rights) they can muster for interstate cruising while the younger guys want sportbikes & the late 20’s & early 40’s guys want something in between. Something for the straight line & something a little lighter for handling in the twisties. Hello Vmax, Vrod, Warrior, etc… As far as the fastest cruiser out there, Mad Max (Vmax) w/ it’s Vboost system is still the king after all these years…and that is a fact jack. Hey, how ‘bout a 2000cc? Will it out run a VTX w/ a measly 1800cc??? U VTX boys are in BIG trouble now.
