Class action against suzuki - need help!!!!!

No cases involving injury or death as of yet....which I am very glad to hear. Just a couple close calls.

However, I am turning up plenty of cases which involve the problem.

In order to get something done, someone doesn't have to die. That is the point of all of this. Prevention.
 
Do you have an estimated cost to take this case through trial? Do you intend to cover the cost of the trial all on your own? Once you file your case, how long do you anticipate it will take to complete the trial? What state do you intend to file the suit?
 
Moto, how much do you anticipate spending on a case like this in order to aquire a judgement against Suzuki?

You make it seem as though you are only interested in the safety of the public at large with this alleged gear slipping issue. How many cases have you uncovered of injury or death occuring as a result of this alleged gear slippage problem?
I've always wondered how many motorcycle deaths are caused by mechanical failure and just written up as an accident.
If a bike is all wadded up I doubt CSI comes out and tears the tranny apart or tries to figure out if that POS Suzuki chain snapped before or after the accident.
 
Happened to my 00 BUSA, but after some time (like 2 years later). I attributed it to hard racing and nitrous hits but now I am unsure.  I had the exact symptoms you describe and could just about control when it would happen, mainly under hard acceleration.  

Had the bike Dynoed and it bucked so hard mid-way through the curve that the mechanic would not finish the test. The Dyno showed a perfect curve then a sharp drop, back to a perfect curve. Had clutches replaced, chain replaced, mapping changed, injectors cleaned and the thing that finally fixed it was a tranny replacement.

From my understanding, the Dyno is done in 4th gear, so it may not be a gearing issue or directly related to 2nd gear. We may be shifting before it shows in other gears.

At the time I had a 10" swingarm and was doing some pretty tough street racing. Not sure if there is enough evidence for a lawsuit, but you are definitely on to something in the 05's if they are experiencing this problem immediately after purchase.

The bike is great and you are not crazy. If nothing more than exposure of the issue comes from this post, you have done a good job by making us aware.  It is a very dangerous problem, that can affect your riding, and riding safety.
 
Do you have an estimated cost to take this case through trial? Do you intend to cover the cost of the trial all on your own? Once you file your case, how long do you anticipate it will take to complete the trial? What state do you intend to file the suit?
The cost of the trial will depend on how far it has to go. I do intend to cover 100% of the cost out of pocket. Once the case is filed, there are too many factors to predict when the case will be completed. In terms of the state where the case will be filed.....stay tuned. Thanks and good questions!!
 
There is some research to be done before filing your suit. First you'd want to research legal firms that specialize in class action suits. Just an attorney in you local home town won't get very far. Once you have settled in on the firm that will take your suit, then you'll need to negociate hourly rates for attorney's, investigators, expert witnesses who can do tons of documented tests on a multitude of bikes both new and used etc. before you sign on. Without doing so will end in your being slaughtered like a sacrificial lamb.

Once you have a written contractual agreement with the law firm things can begin to move forward. First, no one at the firm will move until they have recieved their up front payment. From past experience, I'm thinking they will want at least $50K maybe $100K up front. After that, you'll get billed monthly for their services.

My guess is, you can expect to spend well in excess of a million dollars and more likely someplace between 3 & 5 million dollars over a period of more than five years before you reach a possible judgment against Suzuki. Just think about your monthly statements from the law firm? An attorney worth his weight in salt will cost somewhere in the $400 per hour range and experts and investigators etc. will be $150 and up per hour. Doesn't take long to eat up a million dollars?

As an example, I began a law suit here in Washington State in 1996. Filed a suit against a customer that failed to pay us for a subdivision we built. Filed the suit in 1996 and finally recieved a judgement in 2000 for just over $250K. And I just had one attorney working on a simple case. By the way, collecting on a judgment is just as hard and expensive as getting the judgment. By the time the judgment was awarded I had spent $134K.

Your law firm will be able to tell you if you can expect to be awarded your attorney fees if you win the case. However, if attorney fees are awarded to the prevailing party, you can also expect to pay Suzuki's attorney fees if you loose?

Just thought I'd bring a bit of reality to your thread. I'm thinking you may spend more than your state lottery winnings on a venture such as this and since there is no monitary damages sought, in the end hopefully, "You'll get your transmission fixed"?

My guess is you haven't sought or researched your quest at all and once reality sets in you'll quietly slither back into your corner and the thread will die a natural death?
 
Thanks TuffBusa for your information. You raise some very good points. Those #'s that you threw out seem pretty realistic and would probably scare most people away. But as I have stated in previous post, it is all who you know.

Thanks for the input....and their won't be any slithering away anytime soon!
 
I have no opinion either way on the issue at hand... mine's never done it.

I can tell you that in many cases manufacturers are dirty rotten turdbags about warranty.  If your bike demonstrates a problem that you genuinely believe is a manufacturing/quality/design issue, raise holy heck like the original poster is.

"They all do it" or "rider abuse" cannot become the mantra for every manufacturer out there to fall back on to cover a problem up.

Oh...

And an extended swingarm most assuredly DOES NOT void a warranty issue for a manufacturer on a STARTER.
If the dealer can void your warranty from a modified swingarm with Suzuki to avoid fixing a starter problem they will. It goes the same way with cars. They will find anything to void the warranty.
 
Here is the video again if anyone missed it in a previous post.  Watch the tach when he gets into 2nd gear at around 8000 RPM.  That slipping and catching is exactly what I am talking about.  Hope the video does a good job showing owners what to look out for.  Thanks.

http://media.putfile.com/Busa-slipping
No , don't watch the tachometer , watch the white painted line and listen to the engine .

Yeah , that Busa was pulling hard . They all do but the bike was inching over to where the rear tire was on the white painted line by the time it was in 2nd gear .
 
It think that you raise a good point about the white colored line. It very may well have caused the wheel to spin. I just would think that if it was the wheel that spun, it would have kept spinning because he didn't let off of the throttle. Nontheless, the bikes that have experienced this problem mimmick the tachometer in the video.....with no white lines in site!

Until this problem happens to someone, it is very difficult to truly try to explain it without riding a bike suffering from the same problem.
 
Nope
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the problem is not with the bike.
 
This problem is tending to show up more frequently in the 2005 model.  But I do not think that it is a coincidence that all of a sudden a bunch of 2005 Hayabusa's are having the same problem.  Maybe 1 or 2, but not in the #'s that I have been uncovering.  

Its not like a bunch of bad riders just all of a sudden decided to buy 2005 Hayabusas.



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I am trying to remain neutral but I just don't see anyway possible that the clutch on your bike can be fully disengaged for shifting with a clutch lever shaped like that with the bulged aftermarket grips  .

Whats that , 1 inch or less of travel before hitting the handgrip ?

I'm not snapping a pic of mine but at the dogleg on my stock lever with stock grips I just measured 2 inches clearance to grip while engaged .

The thread I found the pic in .



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They did not change the trans on the 05 model....so why is it only 05's
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Is it because YOU have a 05 and screwed it up with your mods and you don't know how to shift a Busa
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And now you are trying to build a case against Suzuki
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could very well be the oil you are using....causing slippage in clutch
 
I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to delete this one....

*hint* *hint*
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I was going to axe it(the entire thread) already,on like page 2...

heed my warning.

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There's no arguing, bashing, cussing or porn just members expressing their opinions and ideas on a problem.
Why does a thread like this need to be axed?
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