2024 Gen3 6000miles DISASTER - Advice Needed

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Background and Bike Purchase:


On February 1, 2024, I purchased a motorcycle in cash from a dealership north of Houston. They handled all routine maintenance on the bike, including oil changes and tire replacements, except for the 600-mile service, which I performed myself. I followed the proper break-in procedure as outlined in the manual, and after reaching 1,200 miles, I took the bike to a reputable shop known for their expertise in Suzuki motorcycles. The builder there installed a full Brock's AH2 system, a Sprint filter, Moto BT velocity stacks, and tuned the bike accordingly.


Initial Issue with Noise:


As a single dad with full-time custody of my two kids, I’ve been living my best life, but I began noticing a rattling noise around the radiator when the bike hit 6,000 RPM, in every gear. The noise wouldn't appear while on a bike stand or on concrete, only under load during riding. I took the bike to the dealership where I purchased it, expressing my concern. I explained that I had treated the bike like a diamond and wanted them to ride it to replicate the noise. They kept the bike for a week, then called to tell me the noise was caused by my chain being too tight.


I specifically told them that the noise only happens at 6-7k RPM, and the bike needed to be ridden to replicate it. After a couple of days, they called back again, claiming the noise was just an "acoustic anomaly" and that after performing a diagnostic, nothing was wrong with the bike.


Recall and Oil Pressure Light Issue:


In November, I received a recall notice for the master cylinder. Due to backorder delays, it took several weeks before I got the bike back. The dealership also performed the third oil change free of charge for the inconvenience. I hadn't ridden the bike in a while, but once I got it back, I rode it most of the day. Everything seemed fine, aside from the "acoustic anomaly" still present.


However, once I parked the bike in the garage, the oil pressure light started flickering, but only when the bike was idling. The light had never come on before. I turned off the bike, let it cool, and checked the oil level. It was overfilled in the sight glass. Concerned, I called the dealership manager, who asked me to bring the bike in. I trailered the bike to the dealership, where they agreed that the bike had been overfilled with oil. However, after inspecting it, they found no oil on the filter and claimed that the overfill wasn’t the issue.


They told me that it was now my responsibility to take up the issue with Suzuki, stating that it would cost me $2,400 to disassemble the bike and reassemble it without any guarantee that the issue would be fixed, should Suzuki not cover the failure. At this point, the bike was already 5 weeks beyond the 1-year warranty, much of that time spent parked due to winter, backordered parts, and the recall.


Current Status and Suzuki's Response:


This week, I am awaiting an answer from Suzuki. They requested pictures of the roller bearings, oil pump, and other internal components, as the bike’s oil pressure, when hooked to a gauge, was reading only 14 psi at the dealership. I’m hoping that Suzuki will cover the issue under their goodwill program, but if they don’t, I’m prepared to take them to arbitration.


Plan Moving Forward:


If Suzuki does not fix the bike, I will pick it up in pieces, take it to my builder, and have them fix and rebuild it. Any advice going forward would be a blessing. I don't feel like dropping anywhere from 3-12k to fix a brand-new bike depending on what I do with the build if it's my responsibility.

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The builder speculates that the dealership had a two-person crew doing the oil change, and someone started the bike for 10-30 seconds without oil, then overfilled it and sent it back to me. The dealership is going to take pictures of the findings this week and share them with me and Suzuki.

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Sitting level and have video of what the bike is doing.

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1 year warranty?? What is the actual...? I've got a 3-year warranty. I don't get it. Is this a USA warranty thing?? Oh wait, I see you got it tuned - flash tuned, right? Hmm, I wonder if that might be cause for Suzuki to walk away. Man, I hope you get a good outcome, and that Suzuki comes to the party with some good-will, especially if its proven the people maintaining your bike cocked it up. Keep us all posted.

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Sad to hear of your problems with the bike.
The builder speculation is something I would doubt, personally. Running 10-30 seconds without oil should not cause motor failure. Every time each of our bikes are started after sitting, the motor relies on residual oil film only, for protection, until such time as the oil pump gets oil flowing to where it is needed.

Personally, I would lean towards what the builder did with their tune. Was the rattling noise possibly pre-ignition due to a timing issue? That alone could wreck a motor.

I’m just speculating, based on the information given, may be wrong. I’ve had to fix a lot problems through the years caused by “expert” tuners, one of them actually highly recommended here, so I am probably unfairly biased.

The moment you modify away from stock, especially tampering with the ECU, the dealer no longer has to honor your warranty. Goodwill is the only thing which remains.

Keep us posted, hope for the best.

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Sad to hear of your problems with the bike.
The builder speculation is something I would doubt, personally. Running 10-30 seconds without oil should not cause motor failure. Every time each of our bikes are started after sitting, the motor relies on residual oil film only, for protection, until such time as the oil pump gets oil flowing to where it is needed.

Personally, I would lean towards what the builder did with their tune. Was the rattling noise possibly pre-ignition due to a timing issue? That alone could wreck a motor.

I’m just speculating, based on the information given, may be wrong. I’ve had to fix a lot problems through the years caused by “expert” tuners, one of them actually highly recommended here, so I am probably unfairly biased.

The moment you modify away from stock, especially tampering with the ECU, the dealer no longer has to honor your warranty. Goodwill is the only thing which remains.

Keep us posted, hope for the best.
The dealer also has to prove that the modification caused the issue, not so easy to walk away nowadays and deny warranty claims. I’ve been advised to approve warranty claims for bikes borderline unrecognisable from a factory bike.

It’s a two way street for manufacturers to just walk away and claim no responsibility.

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1 year warranty?? What is the actual...? I've got a 3-year warranty. I don't get it. Is this a USA warranty thing?? Oh wait, I see you got it tuned - flash tuned, right? Hmm, I wonder if that might be cause for Suzuki to walk away. Man, I hope you get a good outcome, and that Suzuki comes to the party with some good-will, especially if its proven the people maintaining your bike cocked it up. Keep us all posted.

No he didn’t say flash tuned, just tuned with an air filter, intakes and exhaust. And yes, we get just a 12 month warranty. And nobody ‘walked away’. Where’d you get that? I can see the sight glass is full but having never over filled mine, I don’t know if it takes a half quart or three quarts more to fill up the glass. The OP’s dealer should’ve sent a truck/trailer to get the bike to them. As for the ‘rattling around the rad’ I wonder if it has a rad cover that’s loose and vibrating especially above 6,000 revs.

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I'll keep you all posted on what we find out and what's pointing towards the catastrophic oil pressure failure. The dealership hasn't said anything about the modifications just the fact its 5 weeks over the 1year warranty is def hurting me. Goodwill is the only outcome I can hope for it seems. Only good thing since the engine is already disassembled it's time to build it back bigger, better & faster if my pockets can support it. I'd love to see 300-350HP :)

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No he didn’t say flash tuned, just tuned with an air filter, intakes and exhaust. And yes, we get just a 12 month warranty. And nobody ‘walked away’. Where’d you get that? I can see the sight glass is full but having never over filled mine, I don’t know if it takes a half quart or three quarts more to fill up the glass. The OP’s dealer should’ve sent a truck/trailer to get the bike to them. As for the ‘rattling around the rad’ I wonder if it has a rad cover that’s loose and vibrating especially above 6,000 revs.

It takes 4 quarts to fill the site glass completely, but from there, who knows how much more could be in it.
3.75 to the top line.
3.5 to the middle line.
3.25 to the bottom line.

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No he didn’t say flash tuned, just tuned with an air filter, intakes and exhaust. And yes, we get just a 12 month warranty. And nobody ‘walked away’. Where’d you get that?
Did you read what I wrote properly?? I'm asking if he got it flash tuned ("...I see you got it tuned - flash tuned, right?"). And I didn't claim "nobody 'walked away'". I wrote, "I wonder if that might be cause for Suzuki to walk away." It's a speculative statement. Does that clarify things, or do you still have a problem?

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It takes 4 quarts to fill the site glass completely, but from there, who knows how much more could be in it.
3.75 to the top line.
3.5 to the middle line.
3.25 to the bottom line.

Hmm, maybe there’s a slight diff. I’ve always changed the oil and filter adding a gallon jug of oil. The level of oil in my sight glass is about 3/4.

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Did you read what I wrote properly?? I'm asking if he got it flash tuned ("...I see you got it tuned - flash tuned, right?"). And I didn't claim "nobody 'walked away'". I wrote, "I wonder if that might be cause for Suzuki to walk away." It's a speculative statement. Does that clarify things, or do you still have a problem?

Well, excuse me. I never had a problem.

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welcome to the forum and, sorry you are posting here with such bad news about your 1 year old toy. I personally feel the dealer got something screwed up during the oil change and, as suggested above, ran it dry or something. I have to admit I haven’t had good experiences with any dealer (car or motorcycle) so, I hate them all. LOL!

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Hmm, maybe there’s a slight diff. I’ve always changed the oil and filter adding a gallon jug of oil. The level of oil in my sight glass is about 3/4.

I'm not sure, but every Gen2, including mine and my B-King, and as best as I can remember(lol) every Gen1(been several years) that I changed the oil in has been this way.
I always had a quarter of a quart left over from four, one quart bottles, and it was filled to the top line.
I've seen a few people that put in 4 quarts too, which never caused any problems, but always filled the site glass.
I don't doubt that you use 4 quarts and the site glass isn't completely full either.

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It takes 4 quarts to fill the site glass completely, but from there, who knows how much more could be in it.
3.75 to the top line.
3.5 to the middle line.
3.25 to the bottom line.
If the overfilled did cause an issue the dealership is controlling the narrative on how much it was overfilled. They are claiming 150cc over which is hard to believe. Also, like someone commented above who knows what really happened behind closed doors. The Free oil change really made me bend over and grab my toes on this one.

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If the overfilled did cause an issue the dealership is controlling the narrative on how much it was overfilled. They are claiming 150cc over which is hard to believe. Also, like someone commented above who knows what really happened behind closed doors. The Free oil change really made me bend over and grab my toes on this one.

No, I can't see an overfill cause that kind of problem.
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