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What the Commissar selectively omits from their so called news.....

Talk about how different things go when an unarmed person gets killed by the police...

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1. She was part of the insurrection.
2. Was trying to cross a barricaded door that led to members of congress and the VP.
3. Officer did his job and it was JUSTIFIED..

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A slightly different situation.

The cop in the White House was displaying lethal threat, was behind a barricade and verbally warned off the insurrectionists to stay back when the individual took it upon herself to ignore these warnings and do what she wanted in an aggressive manner...the cop probably had orders to hold all incursions at that strong point...I don't see as he had much choice at that point-he had nowhere to retreat.

Try running a roadblock and see what happens.

Patrol officers are getting involved in shootings mainly because of unknown variables and the fact in many instances they are by themselves with no back up. If there was a second police officer in that patrol vehicle, the shooting would most likely have never happened. It is a systematic issue bridging from hiring to training to method of police deployment.

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If what you say is true then how did the cop that murdered a small unarmed woman that the cops let into the Capitol - yes there is video of this - run away after the shooting?

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The officer’s lawyer insists his client not only issued such a command, but did so loudly and clearly. However, in an interview with RealClearInvestigations, Babbitt family attorney Terry Roberts said he has gathered evidence indicating the officer, a plainclothes police lieutenant, remained silent. Far from warning Babbitt he would shoot, Roberts said the officer “ambushed” her from the side where she could not see he had taken up position in a hall doorway and had trained his weapon on her.

“It’s not debatable,” said Roberts. “There was no warning.”

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If what you say is true then how did the cop that murdered a small unarmed woman that the cops let into the Capitol - yes there is video of this - run away after the shooting?
The officer’s lawyer insists his client not only issued such a command, but did so loudly and clearly. However, in an interview with RealClearInvestigations, Babbitt family attorney Terry Roberts said he has gathered evidence indicating the officer, a plainclothes police lieutenant, remained silent. Far from warning Babbitt he would shoot, Roberts said the officer “ambushed” her from the side where she could not see he had taken up position in a hall doorway and had trained his weapon on her.

“It’s not debatable,” said Roberts. “There was no warning.”
Point-there was a barricade
Point-the police officer had a weapon drawn in a defensive posture
Point-only a complete and utter idiot would encroach upon such an situation and Darwin looks after such people

Like I pointed out before-try running a roadblock and see what happens...this situation is identical.

How much heat and light was on this-how many people looked into the investigation of this particular incident? I'd say more than you and I and the police officer was cleared....unless you and I have investigative degrees and have more insight than the investigators, what we are saying is moot.

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The officer’s lawyer insists his client not only issued such a command, but did so loudly and clearly. However, in an interview with RealClearInvestigations, Babbitt family attorney Terry Roberts said he has gathered evidence indicating the officer, a plainclothes police lieutenant, remained silent. Far from warning Babbitt he would shoot, Roberts said the officer “ambushed” her from the side where she could not see he had taken up position in a hall doorway and had trained his weapon on her.

“It’s not debatable,” said Roberts. “There was no warning.”

No warning? What the hell kind of a warning should’ve been given after seeing the door glass being shattered and a crushing crowd trying to get past? He would have been justified shooting everyone trying to break through.

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No warning? What the hell kind of a warning should’ve been given after seeing the door glass being shattered and a crushing crowd trying to get past? He would have been justified shooting everyone trying to break through.
I know that would be the first thing I'd do is break out a door window and then forcibly insert myself into a danger zone with a cop who has a drawn sidearm pointed at me....

Play stupid games and win stupid prizes...

I feel for the lady that got killed and also feel for the cop who had to do it...he will live with that forever and it can be a tough thing to live with...

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I know that would be the first thing I'd do is break out a door window and then forcibly insert myself into a danger zone with a cop who has a drawn sidearm pointed at me....

Play stupid games and win stupid prizes...

I feel for the lady that got killed and also feel for the cop who had to do it...he will live with that forever and it can be a tough thing to live with...

I don’t feel bad for or about anything that happened to the rioters.

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I don’t feel bad for or about anything that happened to the rioters.
That's where we differ I suppose....

Sometimes in a riot, pack mentality takes over and normal people do abnormal things out of character...this particular lady served in the Air Force so at one point in her life she knew what it meant to serve and be part of something bigger than herself. Perhaps she was caught up in some sort of overwhelming group peer pressure..?

I've talked to insurgents we've captured and found it sort of interesting that some were normal people following a twisted ideology-we did capture a few of the very "bad" ones where no amount of rehabilitation will fix them.

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He gave no warning. Just shot and ran and no action - nothing. How was it even legal or proper for him to leave after murdering the protester?

And before you totally twist the thread - in my OP, I simply commented on how different things go.

She was not even attacking the cop like the criminal in the other thread was doing when he was shot

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He gave no warning. Just shot and ran and no action - nothing. How was it even legal or proper for him to leave after murdering the protester?

And before you totally twist the thread - in my OP, I simply commented on how different things go.

She was not even attacking the cop like the criminal in the other thread was doing when he was shot
She certainly was attacking the cop....just by breaching the barricade.

He was a protection force, probably part of a laid back defense while the VIPs were moved to another, safer location....VIPs who were just down the hall and vulnerable to the insurgents at the barricade.

Point-when a cop is behind a barricade and has his weapon drawn and pointing....only complete idiot would breach and lunge.

Would you have breached that barricade in this circumstance? I have years of combat experience and I certainly wouldn't.

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How was it even legal or proper for him to leave after murdering the protester?
What could he have possibly done when there was a mob surrounding her? These criminals had no issues with beating police officers with poles, fire extinguishers and you expect for him to stay there. He did his job at protecting the members of congress.

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The barricade was NOT breached and the cop shot and ran away so your game of what-a-bouts is a failed attempt to defend the murderers behavior against an unarmed protester.

I also believe you Bumblebee with regard to the courage you say you would display in combat.

Except this was not combat - this was an unarmed protest...you talk of combat!?!?!?! Take another look at he BLM/Antifa riots of the 2020's - That was pure violence and murder.

And again you FAIL to take on the OP. Why?

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Not breached? That’s ridiculous as is your ‘commissar’ reference. Did the door glass break itself?

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The barricade was NOT breached and the cop shot and ran away so your game of what-a-bouts is a failed attempt to defend the murderers behavior against an unarmed protester.

I also believe you Bumblebee with regard to the courage you say you would display in combat.

Except this was not combat - this was an unarmed protest...you talk of combat!?!?!?! Take another look at he BLM/Antifa riots of the 2020's - That was pure violence and murder.

And again you FAIL to take on the OP. Why?
The insurgent was breaching the barricade....hence the broken window and her trying to get through it.

The cop had his ROEs and enacted them....anyone who is stupid enough to breach a barrier into a protected zone in the face of a police officer and a drawn sidearm gets what they get.

You don't know my military background and I don't know yours so lets not try to dik measure here shall we?

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The insurgent was breaching the barricade....hence the broken window and her trying to get through it.

The cop had his ROEs and enacted them....anyone who is stupid enough to breach a barrier into a protected zone in the face of a police officer and a drawn sidearm gets what they get.

You don't know my military background and I don't know yours so lets not try to dik measure here shall we?
No insurgent - a patriot protesting the stolen election.

He did not follow ROE!!!!!!!! No warning, No ID, just popped up, shot an unarmed little girl and then RAN AWAY TO HIDE! And if that is procedure for a cop after a shooting then you might be right about ROE only, but I bet you are wrong!

Go learn something about the murderer cop and unarmed girl and try to not get your news from the commissar or late night comedians.

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Not breached? That’s ridiculous as is your ‘commissar’ reference. Did the door glass break itself?
Did she break the glass or did the Fed Govt insurgents that incited the violence break the window? I bet you do not know because you get your news from the commissar!

Time to start calling it for what it is! The fake news are activists for the DSP (Democrat Socialist Party)
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