The Fall Of Minneapolis

[busabobh]

If your interested in the rest of the story on the George Floyd incident, watch The Fall Of Minneapolis. We didn’t have all the evidence, and we were lied to. It makes me think the justice system failed. I’m not taking sides , but feel the facts have been manipulated, and think you can’t make a fair verdict without them.

[Bumblebee]

If your interested in the rest of the story on the George Floyd incident, watch The Fall Of Minneapolis. We didn’t have all the evidence, and we were lied to. It makes me think the justice system failed. I’m not taking sides , but feel the facts have been manipulated, and think you can’t make a fair verdict without them.

Without sounding like an arse-hole...there's a huge thread on this exact topic that was literally beaten to death..

The Downfall of Minneapolis | In the News

Where is the United States Supreme Court on this?

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[busabobh]

Sorry, this is a new film , and was new news to me, thought others might be interested. Carry on!

[Red05]

Not really sure what you’re referring to as being lied to. I watched the film and even with clearer video, the sequence of events is the same. Floyd’s troubled history or the fact that he should have been arrested is not the point. Some people’s emotions making Floyd out to be some sort of martyr is not the point. Police procedure, specifically Chauvin’s, is. In custody, handcuffed on the ground face down, he becomes the responsibility of the police, and they handled it terribly. I feel for the responsibility police officers face. Respecting police authority is crucial to a civil society and events like that are extremely hurtful.

[Bumblebee]

Sorry, this is a new film , and was new news to me, thought others might be interested. Carry on!

Gotcha, just wanted to point out there was a thread on this already and it has lots of boot prints in it....

[Rojo]

https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/threads/anti-ice-protests-in-la-live-streaming.207811/

Just let them do their jobs & do my best to avoid them at all costs to attempt keeping the blood flowing & lungs breathing ‍ *

[michael parris heuberger]

https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/threads/anti-ice-protests-in-la-live-streaming.207811/

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Just let them do their jobs & do my best to avoid them at all costs to attempt keeping the blood flowing & lungs breathing ‍ *

Hi. They went and shot the unarmed woman in cold blood. No trial no warent! What is wrong with ICE? Did she hit anyone NO she did not?

[Bumblebee]

I know if I was in a position to be asked about this incident as a country's leader or administration, I certainly wouldn't be drawing my own conclusions before any investigation has started......

Now the outcome of this investigation is skewed as there will be a perception of non-transparency.......that video is pretty damning evidence and very hard to dispute...

I see a huge lawsuit coming from the victim's family.......and in my opinion, they will win.....

[Mythos]

that video is pretty damning evidence and very hard to dispute...

Actually there's a lot of other videos at this point that are exonerating. The driver did hit the ICE agent with her car. He shot and killed her after he was assaulted and you can argue all you want if he should have put himself in the position to be driven into with the car but it's pretty obvious he acted in self defense......unless you now have to wait until you're assaulted and then assaulted a second time just to be sure you're being assaulted. I don't think there will be a trial. A person lost her life for being stupid and that's the president that was set. Play stupid games......

[michael parris heuberger]

Actually there's a lot of other videos at this point that are exonerating. The driver did hit the ICE agent with her car. He shot and killed her after he was assaulted and you can argue all you want if he should have put himself in the position to be driven into with the car but it's pretty obvious he acted in self defense......unless you now have to wait until you're assaulted and then assaulted a second time just to be sure you're being assaulted. I don't think there will be a trial. A person lost her life for being stupid and that's the president that was set. Play stupid games......

Hi. It still was unfair he did not get killed but she did!

[pcs]

supreme court case tenn v gardner has set precedent in similar cases and it’s common practices for law enforcement not to get in front of cars. look at any traffic stop and police will talk to the driver from either the driver or passenger side. its bad tactics and a human body can’t stop a moving car.

[Bumblebee]

Actually there's a lot of other videos at this point that are exonerating. The driver did hit the ICE agent with her car. He shot and killed her after he was assaulted and you can argue all you want if he should have put himself in the position to be driven into with the car but it's pretty obvious he acted in self defense......unless you now have to wait until you're assaulted and then assaulted a second time just to be sure you're being assaulted. I don't think there will be a trial. A person lost her life for being stupid and that's the president that was set. Play stupid games......

From what other law enforcement experts are saying, this ICE agent placed himself in harm's way by being in front of the car and then placed others in harm's way by discharging his firearm without really knowing the back drop of where his rounds could go...he was close to hitting his coworker.....

I don't think he committed murder but he did negligently discharge his firearm causing death.......

But we all know this investigation is already skewed.......I don't see anything good coming out of any of this.


I've done lots of check point training which is similar and we never placed ourselves in front or behind a vehicle, always off to an angle and even we as military weren't clear to fire into a vehicle like that unless we were 100% sure there was a dire threat (if we saw a weapon or VIED trigger or explosives).

[sixpack577]

I'm not getting into the argument of who was right or wrong...but standing in front of a vehicle is just stupid, regardless of the situation.
If you're giving Grandma a warning, she can accidentally hit the gas.
If you're dealing with a hardened criminal who obviouslu hates you, and even if you shoot them, the split second of hitting the gas before is all that it takes.
I don't think the 'in the heat of the moment' argument applies either, like in that confrontation at the driver's window you just decided to step in front of the vehicle.
Years ago one of my best friend's little brother(14 at the time) was on his 4wd Polaris 4wheeler, going about 40mph on the road(illegal) and a game warden had stopped his truck, gotten out, and was on the side of the road with his hand up for him to stop.
He did not stop, but drove over to the opposite side of the road(several witnesses) as he got close to him...at which point the game warden ran and jumped out in Front of him, trying to grab him...and literally got run over, breaking his leg.
My friend's brother got in a lot of trouble, and I was there for one of his court hearings, to which even the judge looked at the game warden, and asked him what he thought he was going to do...and you could tell that judge thought he was an idiot too.
I've seen enough videos of cops getting in front of cars as well, and it really makes me wonder who is training these guys?
And do you not have enough common sense to know what can happen?
Come on...play stupid games...win stupid prizes...

[jellyrug]

I look at this from a point of neutrality, rather than focus on one, I focus on both.

There was no need to shoot her and use deadly force. They could have followed her with a pit maneuver if needed and an arrest.

There was no need for her, to cause the trouble she did, the entire day and then refuse orders from law enforcement.

[TallTom]

From what other law enforcement experts are saying, this ICE agent placed himself in harm's way by being in front of the car and then placed others in harm's way by discharging his firearm without really knowing the back drop of where his rounds could go...he was close to hitting his coworker.....

I don't think he committed murder but he did negligently discharge his firearm causing death.......

But we all know this investigation is already skewed.......I don't see anything good coming out of any of this.


I've done lots of check point training which is similar and we never placed ourselves in front or behind a vehicle, always off to an angle and even we as military weren't clear to fire into a vehicle like that unless we were 100% sure there was a dire threat (if we saw a weapon or VIED trigger or explosives).

So a little bit more is part of story here. That vehicle and couple were listed as being as "obstructive" already. Prior to the video the reason they were there was to obstruct and agitate. They had been driving around with the primary purpose of agitating and impeding before coming there. The officer who shot her is a 10 year veteran in law enforcement on top his time with military. So he is likely as trained at least as well as you have been.

The cop didn't plan on standing in front of the vehicle. He was walking to the scene from his vehicle. It was an active fluid scene. Cops moving around the vehicle. A vehicle with known agitators inside. As he approached he heard the cop command "Get out of the car". So in that moment, the dynamics went from a routine stop to an escalated stop. He took up the only position he felt he could in that moment. Maybe he had heard the occupant taunting the cop by then. IDK

But this is not the same as a routine checkpoint stop.

The cop that shot had already been dragged by an agitater in a previous "routine" confrontation. I wonder if that was also his fault for not being able to get away that time either?

[jellyrug]

Not living here my entire life, I struggle a bit with using a firearm for deadly force every time.

Different country, different life, a much rougher place than the US, a firearm could be used more freely by law enforcement. For example stopping someone from escaping. However the training was focused on temporary disabling the perpetrator and only use deadly force as the very last option. A lot of canine usage and a possible shot in a leg.

In a similar situation, the shooter would have gotten out of the way and attempted disabling the vehicle with a few shots at the tires or radiator.

[Bumblebee]

So a little bit more is part of story here. That vehicle and couple were listed as being as "obstructive" already. Prior to the video the reason they were there was to obstruct and agitate. They had been driving around with the primary purpose of agitating and impeding before coming there. The officer who shot her is a 10 year veteran in law enforcement on top his time with military. So he is likely as trained at least as well as you have been.

The cop didn't plan on standing in front of the vehicle. He was walking to the scene from his vehicle. It was an active fluid scene. Cops moving around the vehicle. A vehicle with known agitators inside. As he approached he heard the cop command "Get out of the car". So in that moment, the dynamics went from a routine stop to an escalated stop. He took up the only position he felt he could in that moment. Maybe he had heard the occupant taunting the cop by then. IDK

But this is not the same as a routine checkpoint stop.

The cop that shot had already been dragged by an agitater in a previous "routine" confrontation. I wonder if that was also his fault for not being able to get away that time either?

Obviously he made an error in judgment that needlessly cost a person their life.........and he wasn't walking from his vehicle, his own camera showed he actually circled the subject vehicle stopping at the front......a place he shouldn't have been.

If this vehicle was tagged as part of some perceived obstructive group, the last thing they should have done was place themselves in any position as to risk their lives.....that's checkpoint 101 stuff.....

However this is all caught on video and that video has been watched by many experts on the subject.......I just hope this isn't just washed away like I believe it will be....
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Whether this cop had been dragged by a vehicle in the past should have no bearing on how he conducted himself.....if his go to reaction is the use of deadly force in a similar situation, he shouldn't have been on operations.

It's interesting how this has all been swung around to make the cop the victim..........any other time a police shooting would have been a really big deal that was investigated to the end's of the earth......

If the cop hadn't been standing where he was and was rather where he should have been, this wouldn't have happened......

[TallTom]

Obviously he made an error in judgment that needlessly cost a person their life.........and he wasn't walking from his vehicle, his own camera showed he actually circled the subject vehicle stopping at the front......a place he shouldn't have been.

If this vehicle was tagged as part of some perceived obstructive group, the last thing they should have done was place themselves in any position as to risk their lives.....that's checkpoint 101 stuff.....

However this is all caught on video and that video has been watched by many experts on the subject.......I just hope this isn't just washed away like I believe it will be....
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Whether this cop had been dragged by a vehicle in the past should have no bearing on how he conducted himself.....if his go to reaction is the use of deadly force in a similar situation, he shouldn't have been on operations.

It's interesting how this has all been swung around to make the cop the victim..........any other time a police shooting would have been a really big deal that was investigated to the end's of the earth......

If the cop hadn't been standing where he was and was rather where he should have been, this wouldn't have happened......

Right. It's the cops fault. That car had people whose soul purpose in being there was to confront, agitate and impede.

Tell us again how local law enforcement'd job it is is to work with federal agents to circumvent agitation, impeding, confronting members of the public. Where were they again?

[Bumblebee]

Right. It's the cops fault. That car had people whose soul purpose in being there was to confront, agitate and impede.

Tell us again how local law enforcement'd job it is is to work with federal agents to circumvent agitation, impeding, confronting members of the public. Where were they again?

He shouldn't have positioned himself like that......and he could have easily jumped out of the way instead of shooting.....

What if he would have hit his partner.......would you have then said it's his partner's fault for being in the way?

I am pro-police and always have been......but in this instance the cop was wrong.

[TallTom]

He shouldn't have positioned himself like that......and he could have easily jumped out of the way instead of shooting.....

What if he would have hit his partner.......would you have then said it's his partner's fault for being in the way?

I am pro-police and always have been......but in this instance the cop was wrong.

And we may find out he is wrong and if he is, I hope he will be relieved of duty and prosecuted and punished to the max. I'm in favor of trustworthy cops.

I'd like to see the video on the wife's phone. And listen to why she was outside the car video taping instead of inside the car as a non involved peaceful protester/observer as is being claimed.

Trump wants to declare martial law. If they are found to be at fault, he will probably be authorized to declare it.