Promises made, promises kept. Trump frees 1500 1/6 political prisoners.

TallTom said:
And that is all experts offer, is opinions.
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Some do.....I know I'd listen to an expert in their field long before listening to some keyboard commando....

A poll doesn't generally lie....this is why I posted several (and there are many more) that all equate to essentially the same thing....
 
Bumblebee said:
Some do.....I know I'd listen to an expert in their field long before listening to some keyboard commando....

A poll doesn't generally lie....this is why I posted several (and there are many more) that all equate to essentially the same thing....
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Sure they lie. As you pointed out when the experts were telling us how the election was going to go, they cited polls. Then you negate those as opinions. I think you leave out a major personal filter. You only consider someone an expert, when they support your feelings. That's not unusual to you singularly.

I tried to figure out the points you were attempting to highlight in your polls you linked. You like brevity. Then you post like Zerks.

What I think I found in the first 2 links was a rundown on the split in voter orientation showing essentially a 50/50 nation of voters. Nothing new there. The 3rd link showed Trump was more popular this term than last term. Since that was the opposite of your intent, and in the interest of brevity, maybe you can show where in your links you're trying to make the point you're trying to make. And maybe correct me if I'm wrong. I thought you were trying to show that Trump is losing support from more of the nation. Right?
 
TallTom said:
Yes I tried to figure out the points you were attempting to highlight in your polls you linked. You like brevity, then post Zerks.

What I think I found in the first 2 links was a rundown in the split in voter orientation showing essentially a 50/50 nation of voters. Nothing new there. The 3rd link showed Trump was more popular this term than last term. Since that was the opposite of your intent, and in the interest of brevity, maybe you can show where in your links you're trying to make the point you're trying to make.
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The point is......there is a split between MAGA voters and democrat voters and that split isn't quite 50/50....but close...

Your post pointed out that more republicans were favoring MAGA and my post was pointing out that republicans aren't the majority or rather the equal so the numbers of MAGA people aren't as high overall as one might think. He is more popular in this term by MAGA voters....not all voters.

Most of his ratings in those links I posted were higher towards unfavorable.

.....and MAGA is an insult more than anything else.......how is the introduction of Trump making America any greater than it has always been?

People across the globe looked at America as the promised land long before they ever heard of Trump.
theconversation.com

Have Trump’s tariffs affected his popularity? Here’s what approval data shows

Polling shows approval ratings for the US president has shifted with the introduction of new tariffs.
theconversation.com theconversation.com
 
Bumblebee said:
The point is......there is a split between MAGA voters and democrat voters and that split isn't quite 50/50....but close...

Your post pointed out that more republicans were favoring MAGA and my post was pointing out that republicans aren't the majority or rather the equal so the numbers of MAGA people aren't as high overall as one might think. He is more popular in this term by MAGA voters....not all voters.

Most of his ratings in those links I posted were higher towards unfavorable.

.....and MAGA is an insult more than anything else.......how is the introduction of Trump making America any greater than it has always been?

People across the globe looked at America as the promised land long before they ever heard of Trump.
theconversation.com

Have Trump’s tariffs affected his popularity? Here’s what approval data shows

Polling shows approval ratings for the US president has shifted with the introduction of new tariffs.
theconversation.com theconversation.com
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Bumblebee said:
The point is......there is a split between MAGA voters and democrat voters and that split isn't quite 50/50....but close..
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This has been the case for the last 3 elections. It highlights the division you do often don't understand.
Bumblebee said:
Your post pointed out that more republicans were favoring MAGA and my post was pointing out that republicans aren't the majority or rather the equal so the numbers of MAGA people aren't as high overall as one might think. He is more popular in this term by MAGA voters....not all voters.
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This point was shown because you claim that Trump was losing favor by his previous supporters trying to convince yourself and others that even his supporters are not in favor of his actions.

Bumblebee said:
.....and MAGA is an insult more than anything else.......how is the introduction of Trump making America any greater than it has always been?

People across the globe looked at America as the promised land long before they ever heard of Trump.
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It's says a lot about your political leanings when you consider Making America Great Again as an insult.

Newsflash. America has declined in most every category that matters. Except crime. Which I know you've soapboxed about.

Check where we stood in rankings in the 80s vs now.

Healthcare=declined
Education= declined
Infrastructure= declined
Manufacturing= declined
Public safety= declined
Crime= increased
Extended outdoor permanent camping hobbyist= Increased
Drug abuse= increased

Etc for dozens more categories.

Maybe you as my Canadian neighbor doesn't recognize or care to see it but Americans (some Americans anyway) do. And you do seem to be aligning with the Americans that don't wish to see these obvious facts and are insulted by the term and effort to Make America Great Again. That's on them, and you.

They are insulted by it, because they couldn't do it. That term was used to defeat his political opponents by a wider margin more the 2nd time, than the 1st time. I'll put it another way. More Americans turned their backs on Liberals, than joined them in the last election. You can spend another 4 years joining the liberals trying to deflect that fact if you like. But it won't change the fact. They LOST to a Make America Great Again platform.

Trump insults me as an American often. I dislike much about him. But any of the categories from above he can improve our rankings in makes me tolerate him. It's not like anyone else has been able to do it in decades. The sad commentary in America is, half of our population, and some of the Canadians, would rather he fail to improve those rankings than succeed in doing so.

I'll depend on results. Not media spin artist trying to herd sheep back into our decline. If he fails, America has little hope going back to the same ole politics, that got us into those declines. It's the only thing our politics has done well in the last 40 years. Is Make America Worse Again.

That's a much bigger insult to me as an American, than how many p*#$$ies were presented to him to be willingly grabbed.
 
TallTom said:
That's a much bigger insult to me as an American, than how many p*#$$ies were presented to him to be willingly grabbed.
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That’s crass. Tom’s true personality exposed. That comment comes from Trump’s equally crass comment, with willingness only existing in TallTom’s crude imagination.
 
TallTom said:
This has been the case for the last 3 elections. It highlights the division you do often don't understand.


This point was shown because you claim that Trump was losing favor by his previous supporters trying to convince yourself and others that even his supporters are not in favor of his actions.


It's says a lot about your political leanings when you consider Making America Great Again as an insult.

Newsflash. America has declined in most every category that matters. Except crime. Which I know you've soapboxed about.

Check where we stood in rankings in the 80s vs now.

Healthcare=declined
Education= declined
Infrastructure= declined
Manufacturing= declined
Public safety= declined
Crime= increased
Extended outdoor permanent camping hobbyist= Increased
Drug abuse= increased

Etc for dozens more categories.

Maybe you as my Canadian neighbor doesn't recognize or care to see it but Americans (some Americans anyway) do. And you do seem to be aligning with the Americans that don't wish to see these obvious facts and are insulted by the term and effort to Make America Great Again. That's on them, and you.

They are insulted by it, because they couldn't do it. That term was used to defeat his political opponents by a wider margin more the 2nd time, than the 1st time. I'll put it another way. More Americans turned their backs on Liberals, than joined them in the last election. You can spend another 4 years joining the liberals trying to deflect that fact if you like. But it won't change the fact. They LOST to a Make America Great Again platform.

Trump insults me as an American often. I dislike much about him. But any of the categories from above he can improve our rankings in makes me tolerate him. It's not like anyone else has been able to do it in decades. The sad commentary in America is, half of our population, and some of the Canadians, would rather he fail to improve those rankings than succeed in doing so.

I'll depend on results. Not media spin artist trying to herd sheep back into our decline. If he fails, America has little hope going back to the same ole politics, that got us into those declines. It's the only thing our politics has done well in the last 40 years. Is Make America Worse Again.

That's a much bigger insult to me as an American, than how many p*#$$ies were presented to him to be willingly grabbed.
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MAGA in it's premise might make sense but to use it as some sort of political rallying cry by a president who is right aligned and not inclusive of the left is not going to help it be embraced for ALL Americans....

The "America" in MAGA doesn't stand for right wing Americans, it stands for all Americans...so therefore it is an insult when wielded as some sort of weapon.

America has been in a state of decline for over a decade, lots of economists have said this.....and nothing Trump has done so far is changing this in fact much of what he is doing is pushing the US farther down, not building it up....he is realizing this now and that's why he's taking his foot off the gas.
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The democrats messed up by holding Biden as their front runner and everyone knows even if Harris was a viable candidate, the "old boy's Club" would never allow a woman to be the president....IF the democrats had even a decent candidate, that person would now be in the office instead of Trump........people (swing voters) voted for him only because of the democratic offering-now those same swing voters are regretting their vote.
 
TallTom said:
Yeah it's all of America mad at Musk and vandalizing Tesla's.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Astonishing identity of Minnesota Tesla vandal filmed keying EV

The shocking identity of a brazen Minnesota man captured on vehicle surveillance footage vandalizing Teslas throughout the city has been revealed.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Plenty of other sources reporting it.
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This could be like a game of ping pong.......the left did this, the right did that......both don't neutralize each other....

People are pissed and some people are idiots and the only way they can show this anger is to vandalize.....I'm sure people on either side of the aisle aren't proud of the actions of this person as they know these hurt their cause more than help it.

Did you see the protests against Trump and Musk all across the US? Did these protesters burn or damage Teslas?

Hell, I've seen cities get torn apart when a sports team loses in the playoffs and I'm certain not all these people were aligned with the left......
 
Bumblebee said:
This could be like a game of ping pong.......the left did this, the right did that......both don't neutralize each other....

People are pissed and some people are idiots and the only way they can show this anger is to vandalize.....I'm sure people on either side of the aisle aren't proud of the actions of this person as they know these hurt their cause more than help it.

Did you see the protests against Trump and Musk all across the US? Did these protesters burn or damage Teslas?

Hell, I've seen cities get torn apart when a sports team loses in the playoffs and I'm certain not all these people were aligned with the left......
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You made the assertion that both sides are torching Teslas out of anger over Musk. Show me some evidence it's been anyone but the left doing it. Further now we have evidence that's it's members of elected officials staff from the left doing it. Should the person that did it be treated better or worse or the same than any other citizen being charged with domestic terrorism? Additionally should the Governor be cited with inciting domestic terrorism?

When I was in service to my country, we were held to a higher standard of conduct to represent our country with integrity. I don't know if Canadians were held to that standard. But they came down HARD on us if we did not. For instance we were not permitted to participate in any protest. As that would show a political stance. Our job was to be neutral.

Of course we see the protest. And yes I'd magine they are also ones torching Teslas.

At this point both sides are peacefully protesting. Completely within their Constitutionally protected rights to do.
 
TallTom said:
At this point both sides are peacefully protesting. Completely within their Constitutionally protected rights to do.
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Does getting deported and trying to muscle Harvard University stand within our Constitutionally protected rights as well?
Trump should stand within a jail cell.
 
TallTom said:
You made the assertion that both sides are torching Teslas out of anger over Musk. Show me some evidence it's been anyone but the left doing it. Further now we have evidence that's it's members of elected officials staff from the left doing it. Should the person that did it be treated better or worse or the same than any other citizen being charged with domestic terrorism? Additionally should the Governor be cited with inciting domestic terrorism?

When I was in service to my country, we were held to a higher standard of conduct to represent our country with integrity. I don't know if Canadians were held to that standard. But they came down HARD on us if we did not. For instance we were not permitted to participate in any protest. As that would show a political stance. Our job was to be neutral.

Of course we see the protest. And yes I'd magine they are also ones torching Teslas.

At this point both sides are peacefully protesting. Completely within their Constitutionally protected rights to do.
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We were held to the same standard......and that standard used to be very high......the standards we were held to in the special forces was beyond what most would comprehend unless they experienced it (which most don't).

Are you making the assertion that only left aligned people do stupid things or illegal things such as torching cars and the like? People are people and in my experience people can be idiots and do stupid and illegal things regardless of who they voted for it they even vote or follow politics which not everyone does......

Who someone votes for doesn't establish who the person is, it's their actions....
 
Bumblebee said:
We were held to the same standard......and that standard used to be very high......the standards we were held to in the special forces was beyond what most would comprehend unless they experienced it (which most don't).

Are you making the assertion that only left aligned people do stupid things or illegal things such as torching cars and the like? People are people and in my experience people can be idiots and do stupid and illegal things regardless of who they voted for it they even vote or follow politics which not everyone does......

Who someone votes for doesn't establish who the person is, it's their actions....
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In the matter of torching Tesla's yes.

Has the right done stupid violent things? Absolutely.

I never said either side hasn't violently protested. It's generally the side that lost the election that's doing it. The only recent event where both sides were united in protest, was 9/11.

Now we have a governor who has stoked his constituents. Walz never told anyone to torch Teslas. But he certainly was gleeful to state he wanted Tesla to suffer. That type conduct is all it takes.

You watch. Soon it will be compared to Jan 6 participants.
 
Bumblebee said:
Who someone votes for doesn't establish who the person is, it's their actions....
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You know, I use to think exactly the same as you do, but things have since changed a bit. Actually, use to be a Democrat, but the party has changed so much.

The current POTUS got my vote, ONLY as there were no alternative choices.

These days, I can't help but frown a bit on folks who vote for:

Open borders, with almost no control and a mass illegal influx of people who we don't know who they are and where they come from. Each breaking the law, each of them. This is done, simply to try and manipulate votes to keep their party in power. See link below:

www.law.cornell.edu

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu

See how other first world countries approach this:





Biological males, competing in women sports, where testosterone gives a massive unequal disadvantage.

Uncontrolled spending, for example, to transgender clinics in India, opposed by the Indian government, as one small example and trying to destroy the efforts of endeavoring to get government spending back under control. Creating enough propaganda, to motivate property destruction. Creating enough propaganda to create an extreme public negative perception, towards getting government spending back under control.

Empowering Iran, towards creating chaos in the Middle East via their proxies.

So here is the question, what kind of person, for the good of his country would support a party with the above values, among a few?
 
jellyrug said:
You know, I use to think exactly the same as you do, but things have since changed a bit. Actually, use to be a Democrat, but the party has changed so much.

The current POTUS got my vote, ONLY as there were no alternative choices.

These days, I can't help but frown a bit on folks who vote for:

Open borders, with almost no control and a mass illegal influx of people who we don't know who they are and where they come from. Each breaking the law, each of them. This is done, simply to try and manipulate votes to keep their party in power. See link below:

www.law.cornell.edu

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu

See how other first world countries approach this:





Biological males, competing in women sports, where testosterone gives a massive unequal disadvantage.

Uncontrolled spending, for example, to transgender clinics in India, opposed by the Indian government, as one small example and trying to destroy the efforts of endeavoring to get government spending back under control. Creating enough propaganda, to motivate property destruction. Creating enough propaganda to create an extreme public negative perception, towards getting government spending back under control.

Empowering Iran, towards creating chaos in the Middle East via their proxies.

So here is the question, what kind of person, for the good of his country would support a party with the above values, among a few?
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I know for a fact that lots of people vote for the person and not their political platform.....if they like the way the person looks and speaks, they will vote for them.....it happens at all levels of politics...

I recall once we had a mayoral election and one candidate was a crusty, sour looking fellow but had great ideas and the other candidate was a "pretty boy" but clueless...the pretty boy got elected just because he looked like someone you'd trust.....people are fickle.......

I didn't vote because at that time I was in uniform.....
 
Bumblebee said:
I know for a fact that lots of people vote for the person and not their political platform.....if they like the way the person looks and speaks, they will vote for them.....it happens at all levels of politics...

I recall once we had a mayoral election and one candidate was a crusty, sour looking fellow but had great ideas and the other candidate was a "pretty boy" but clueless...the pretty boy got elected just because he looked like someone you'd trust.....people are fickle.......

I didn't vote because at that time I was in uniform.....
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I'm not lots of those people.
Our military encourages members to vote, as their votes count and they encourage their members to be responsible voters.
I would think for most, a soldier who has to formulate a battle plan, or follow a strategic battle plan from higher command is pretty competent as far as process design and application goes. So it follows that they would in most cases vote based on probable outcome, rather than just liking someone.
 
jellyrug said:
I'm not lots of those people.
Our military encourages members to vote, as their votes count and they encourage their members to be responsible voters.
I would think for most, a soldier who has to formulate a battle plan, or follow a strategic battle plan from higher command is pretty competent as far as process design and application goes. So it follows that they would in most cases vote based on probable outcome, rather than just liking someone.
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You as a person might not be but I wasn't pointing at you, I was pointing at people in general, and lots of them vote for the person they see, not the person's political platform.....

The Canadian military doesn't dissuade people from voting, it was my choice to not vote while wearing a uniform.....hence I used the letter "I" in my statement. It didn't matter who was in the seat, I still had to deploy and do my duty.....lots of others in uniform felt the same way...
 
michael parris heuberger said:
Hi. WOW what a great guy biden is. It was very nice of him to let the very nice KILLERS live to see a nother day to loved ones and maybe be happy..it is good that you may think thst is a good thing. To it is not good as the ones they killed will NEVER have a good day or see a loved one again. If you thank that was a good thing I do not know what to say.
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I do understand that you have trouble reading, but could you please try to keep up? It was your cult god that pardoned cop killers from January 6th. Take your hate somewhere else.
 
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