No clutch shifting ?
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If not done absolutely perfectly every time, you'll bend shift forks or round dogs off the gears.
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I have never used the clutch on any bike I have ever had except for starting and down shifting. I have never had a problem. But everyone has a different opinion on this. So my advice is listen to all the comments and make your own decision from there.
Most big trucks only use the clutch to start, and they last over a million milesGeeez ......U guys own the bike a good amount of time ? I'd love to see what the gear clusters look like after several thousand miles .
It just has to be done correctly, that's all.
I NEVER use the clutch except for first and downshifing. Not bad for the trans in my opinion, It's all knowing when to shift. I've got my throttle control down enough to the point I can clutchless downshift... causes some people to look at me wierd sometimes
It's kinda funny...
Proven experience with a 3-speed jeep of mine in the mud ....pushing it clutchless ...main gears are rounded off pretty good . Eventually tranny would start popping outta gear under heavy load . Shift forks wore out prematurely also .
Maybe things are different with the bike ? Who knows for sure .
Maybe things are different with the bike ? Who knows for sure .
If done correctly, no problem. If not done correctly, you'll trash the transmission. It only take one missed cluchless shift to end up having the bike in the shop. If you don't totally unload the pressure on the transmission with the throttle, even if it shifts ok, you'll cause problems over a few thousand miles. The Busa is an expensive bike to learn this on is you don't already have the skills.Most big trucks only use the clutch to start, and they last over a million milesGeeez ......U guys own the bike a good amount of time ? I'd love to see what the gear clusters look like after several thousand miles .
It just has to be done correctly, that's all.
Up shifting clutchless is very easy. The trick is not to put lots of muscle onto the shift lever. The only thing your clutch does is to unload the tranny so you can shift. You can do the same with the clutch and not hurt the tranny at all. It's when you are hammering the tranny at WOT that you get into trouble. An air shifter will shift without the clutch. All it does is momentarily kill the engine so the tranny is unloaded. If you are hammering on the shifter, even if you are using your clutch, you can easily bend the forks.
Standard style on cars as opposed to Sequential on bikes... You won't hurt it unless you REALLY mess up... the only one it would be easy to mess up a shift with is the 1-2 shift, and that's cause it's really 1-n-2, which might cause the gear to slow a bit and snag... otherwise, it's one gear directly to the other, no inbetween.Proven experience with a 3-speed jeep of mine in the mud ....pushing it clutchless ...main gears are rounded off pretty good . Eventually tranny would start popping outta gear under heavy load . Shift forks wore out prematurely also .
Maybe things are different with the bike ? Who knows for sure .
The way I "speedshift" is I preload the shifter, and release the throttle JUST to the point that you can feel the transmission free up (so there's no load on the gear), at that point, the shift automatically happens.
Easier way of explaining what I said.
It's in the technique. I can shift a standard transmission in a car without the clutch. Same principle, a bit less forgiving with the auto.Standard style on cars as opposed to Sequential on bikes...Proven experience with a 3-speed jeep of mine in the mud ....pushing it clutchless ...main gears are rounded off pretty good . Eventually tranny would start popping outta gear under heavy load . Shift forks wore out prematurely also .
Maybe things are different with the bike ? Who knows for sure .
yep... I remember kids saying they could "speedshift" their cars (they just clutchless shift) they would claim it was a faster shift... for a car, no... for a bike, yes, quicker and smoother.It's in the technique. I can shift a standard transmission in a car without the clutch. Same principle, a bit less forgiving with the auto.Standard style on cars as opposed to Sequential on bikes...Proven experience with a 3-speed jeep of mine in the mud ....pushing it clutchless ...main gears are rounded off pretty good . Eventually tranny would start popping outta gear under heavy load . Shift forks wore out prematurely also .
Maybe things are different with the bike ? Who knows for sure .
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