I have questions,maybe you have answers. George Floyd & Karma

[fallenarch]

How does any cop determine a person might be on drugs? They look at their behavior. It seems reasonable that the cops might have suspected Floyd was on drugs when they arrested him because Floyd was in fact on drugs. If Floyd did something that presented a significant threat such as kicking biting or head butting, that would explain why he was restrained in such a manner. This explanation may not turn out to be accurate but it is logical. Cops sitting on a guy until he is dead while people film it is not logical. If that is what you believe happened I do not think your idea is stupid rubbish even if it defies logic. Your theory might be exactly correct. Nobody knows yet. We haven't seen all the video, we haven't heard any testimony. Please don't get pissed at me for trying to understand this.

Dude, you can see the video of the guy with his knee on the guy's neck mugging for the camera. No matter what happened before this, or what was said, or how much Floyd struggled or what drugs Floyd took, that 8 minute sequence is murder. This dude is on video, hand in pocket, looking right into the camera, waiting for this guy to die. It's amazing how you can't just admit he deserves a jail cell. With your thinking you stand a good chance of being on the jury, lol!

 

[Mr Brown]

@Mythos do you agree that Chauvin's actions killed Floyd? Because that seems clear to me. If you do, then you have to accept that nothing which happens prior to the 8 minutes we can see justifies his death. What possible justification can there be? Subduing a violent subject doesn't require what happened. Protecting an innocent doesn't require what happened. Nothing which happens before the video can justify his actions. IDGAF if Floyd was high on every drug available, armed with 4 rifles, a hand grenade and an ied, chasing children. If he's an imminent threat, neutralize him. This wasn't an example of that, any threat that Floyd may have posed was gone long before 8 minutes.
I don't understand why so many people are working so hard to find fault with the victim here. If you had done what Chauvin did while "using force to prevent violence" you'd be incarcerated.

 

[Mr Brown]

May have been that that is the way to best discourage a very powerful individual from rolling or otherwise getting free of three smaller men sitting on him. Maybe they had done it numerous times before without killing anyone. Maybe they thought Floyd was faking being unconscious. Maybe the cop just freaked and didn't want to accept blame for what he did. I don't know any more than you do. We have to get all the facts.


That's why I got the f out of that madhouse after two years. The school shut down a year or so later. Still force used by an adult to protect students from doing grave bodily harm to one another is not the same as using force to subdue them and detain them. I think the kids know that. I would still break up a fight if I saw one break out and you know as well as I do yelling at them doesn't do a lot of good. I think it's the right thing to do. I'm not going to watch two kids beat on each other if I can stop it.


I've already mentioned the possible reasons why it might have been done. If there's justification for it, I don't see it at this moment. I've already jumped to some conclusions on this and I'm trying not to do that anymore.

Then why didn't they sit on him? If Chauvin had done it numerous times before why hadn't he been fired?
If you don't see justification for his actions now, why are you waiting for some to appear? In the most recent previous high profile death of a black suspect in that metro area, Philando Castille, the cop changed his story in the time between his initial interview and trial testimony from "I think he might have had a gun in his hand" to "I saw a gun in his hand". Is that what you're waiting for?
Accept what you see, understand that even if Minnesota had a death penalty it's not a cop's job to administer it, admit that it's disgraceful and move on. Why is that so hard?

 

[mcqueen]

From Columbus?

Yes

 

[Tb3]

I guess I believe in karma. Whether comes back around in this life or whatever happens after. Looks like that cop is getting his karma, and his 3 buddies. This floyd guy appears to have done some bad things in his life, maybe it is karma, don't kno. I know this morning I walked into Walmart right through the exit door instead of the enter door and it still opened up automatically so I thought I was in the clear but I tell you what the way the door greeter lady yelled at me like to give me a heart attack. I wish I could have a do-over and go back through the exit and come back through the enter but I didn't and just gave her a sarcastic smile and kept going. I'm probably gonna get some karma for that
Thanks for listening guys

 

[Mythos]

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It's amazing how you can't just admit he deserves a jail cell. With your thinking you stand a good chance of being on the jury, lol!

I want to see all the evidence before I come to a conclusion. I think that would make me a fair and impartial juror.

@Mythos do you agree that Chauvin's actions killed Floyd? Because that seems clear to me. If you do, then you have to accept that nothing which happens prior to the 8 minutes we can see justifies his death.

Chauvin killed Floyd. I want to know why. What else happened there that we haven't seen?

I think this is the third time I've said this, I have to see what I haven't seen before I determine that it has no impact on my decision. The word "justify" that you keep using is your word, not mine. I want to know what Chauvin and the other cops reasoning was when they restrained Floyd the way they did. That doesn't necessarily mean justification.

What possible justification can there be? Subduing a violent subject doesn't require what happened. Protecting an innocent doesn't require what happened. Nothing which happens before the video can justify his actions. IDGAF if Floyd was high on every drug available, armed with 4 rifles, a hand grenade and an ied, chasing children. If he's an imminent threat, neutralize him. This wasn't an example of that, any threat that Floyd may have posed was gone long before 8 minutes.
I don't understand why so many people are working so hard to find fault with the victim here. If you had done what Chauvin did while "using force to prevent violence" you'd be incarcerated.

Let's wait to see the missing video and hear the testimony. I'm not trying to find fault with Floyd at all. I'm just sitting back waiting to hear all the evidence. It looks extremely likely that Chauvin will be found guilty. What the sentence will be may depend on what happened in those minutes of undisclosed video.

Then why didn't they sit on him?

Why didn't they just taser him if he was such a problem? Why didn't they handcuff him to the car and step away if he was that dangerous? They did sit on him and one of them also knelt on his neck. Why? The coroner determined the cause of death to be homicide, complications caused by cardiac arrest induced by subdual, neck compression and restraint. Very damning evidence but there are more evidence we have not been made aware of yet.

If Chauvin had done it numerous times before why hadn't he been fired?

I have an old buddy that had trouble with the law in his younger years. Went to prison. He's a pothead now but he's a very nice, peaceful gentlman. Anyway, he told me he was restrained just like Floyd was on two occasions. One time they knelt on his neck while another cop stepped on his head. It's something cops do. If they fired every cop that ever did it, that would probably cause another problem. The neck kneeling restraint might be something that is officially not condoned by departments (to avoid liability) but a blind eye is turned to it because cops seem to find it useful.

If you don't see justification for his actions now, why are you waiting for some to appear?

Because we don't know all the evidence. "Justify" would mean Chauvin would be found innocent and I don't think that will happen.

Accept what you see,

haven't seen it all. Haven't heard it all yet either. Being aware of all the evidence is going to make a difference in how egregious I perceive the murder to be. I don't see it as an "either/or" situation. After all is said and done, the evidence may prove what Chauvin did was even worse than it appears right now. He'll get life. Isn't that possible? Why would you not want to find that out?

Let everyone's mind be open, that's all I'm sayin.

 

[08BusaKY]

These two videos are worth viewing...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=273957870461345

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2644577045799102

 

[Mr Brown]

My mind is open. I saw the same thing you saw, Chauvin killed Floyd. Nothing in the state of Minnesota can be punished by the death penalty. The killing was wrong. No further evidence needed.

So some murder is more egregious than others? What separates them? The manner of death? The brazen attitude of the killer? Perhaps wether or not they are justified?

The cop that shot Philando Castille was acquitted, so excuse my lack of faith in the system in that area. That cop shot him in his car with two others in it, one of them a 5 year old. 7 rounds discharged, 5 on target. Never said he saw a gun until the trial. Short version? He's a liar. If you want to keep waiting for the rest of the video, that is your right. I don't need to see any more than what we've all seen. Plenty of people have been convicted on far less evidence.

 

[Mr Brown]

These two videos are worth viewing...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=273957870461345

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2644577045799102

A person who defended Hitler and Tucker Carlson? I'm good, thanks.
Candy Owens received over $30k from a discrimination lawsuit, why didn't she return that settlement if racism doesn't exist?
And Carlson? I can't. I just can't.

 

[08BusaKY]

A person who defended Hitler and Tucker Carlson? I'm good, thanks.
Candy Owens received over $30k from a discrimination lawsuit, why didn't she return that settlement if racism doesn't exist?
And Carlson? I can't. I just can't.

She did not defend Hitler. That is a lie from Ted LieU taken out of context. Here is her response it starts at 5:35. The corrupt dem's tried to cut her off several times.

 

[Bumblebee]

She did not defend Hitler. That is a lie from Ted LieU taken out of context. Here is her response it starts at 5:35. The corrupt dem's tried to cut her off several times.

She seems to say it like she believes...whether it is shared by anyone else is not the issue as I see it, she is educated and well spoken...good for her I say.

 

[Mythos]

My mind is open. I saw the same thing you saw, Chauvin killed Floyd. Nothing in the state of Minnesota can be punished by the death penalty. The killing was wrong. No further evidence needed.

If all you want to establish is that killing is wrong, the video we have seen so far is sufficient. How wrong was it is what I want to know.

So some murder is more egregious than others? What separates them? The manner of death? The brazen attitude of the killer? Perhaps wether or not they are justified?

Here's what Quora says about murder charges.
"First degree murder is an unlawful killing with some amount of premeditation and planning, whereas second degree murder is an unlawful killing without that level of premeditated planning or reflection. There is no third degree murder."

According to that, murder 1 is less egregious than murder 2.

There is also manslaughter which is unintentional and not premeditated murder. That is less egregious than murder one.

I would think all three of the factors you mentioned might play into the exact charge in any given case. I have no doubt any or all of those would play into the verdict and the sentence.

The cop that shot Philando Castille was acquitted, so excuse my lack of faith in the system in that area. That cop shot him in his car with two others in it, one of them a 5 year old. 7 rounds discharged, 5 on target. Never said he saw a gun until the trial. Short version? He's a liar. If you want to keep waiting for the rest of the video, that is your right. I don't need to see any more than what we've all seen. Plenty of people have been convicted on far less evidence.

In the backs of our minds, we're all wondering if hearing all the evidence and having a trial might get the cops acquitted even though we know they did it. Look at OJ and I intend no reference to his race whatsoever, it's just a well known case. That case ended up ruining his life but he was acquitted on both murder accounts. I don't think too many people beleive OJ was innocent. We don't want to see that happen in this murder case or any murder case but it can happen.

It would be much easier to just lock them all up without a trial. We don't do that here. If we did that would be getting into a whole bunch of other civil rights violations.

 

[rubbersidedown]

Facts and evidence. Look at the video and pics. 4 cops all neatly dressed.No dirt on their clothes(knees,elbows,backs)they did not touch the ground.Look at their hair-do's. Not one hair out of place.Shirts un-tucked...nope. Walkie microphones pulled from their shirts...uuuu,nope. Any sign of even the slightest tussle.Not that you can see. Were these 4 involved in a fight for their lives...it would not appear so. So even if floyd got out of hand off camera....maybe spit on them...tried to kick...tried to bite...used harsh language...he did not need to be killed.
Did the officer wake up that day and say to himself "I'm gonna kill me a black man today." I don't think he did. Is he a closet KKK or maybe just an' over zealous a55hole...maybe. I just don't think he wanted to trade his life for a life behind bars all to kill george floyd.Things got carried away.He knew he was being filmed.Was his goal to go down as the mighty killer of a defenceless black man? Maybe,but I doubt it.
Here's my unpopular stance. I don't feel for floyd.Not because he's a black man or any of that. Floyd was not a great person. I think "The Cause" has made a horrible choice in selecting their "poster boy." Obviously it was not a choice they actually made,it was events that were thrust upon them.
Should all acts of all men be unconditionally forgiven? Not in my world.
As written earlier by me I have a problem with a man that did the things that floyd did. I'm no angel...but have never felt THE NEED to do a home invasion on a defenceless WOMAN.
"Justice is mine sayeth the Lord." The Bible in many forms Karma...maybe so.
Take up the cause...yes for sure.Change needs to occur. Take it up in the name of floyd? I'm going to have to pass. It's my right as a free thinker.
I will take up protest when all of this bull5hit has passed.
It's between him and his God's or Demon's now. He does NOT have my sympathy. I'm sure I will cry out for God,for my Mother at my passing...
I won't be upset if either chooses to not grant forgiveness.
Rubb.

 

[murphc13]

Apparently lots of people, sometimes it seems the POTUS has no filters or anyone vetting his tweets which is never a good thing when you are a leader of a nation such as the US.

There are times when the best things are left unsaid.

Apparently lots of people, sometimes it seems the POTUS has no filters or anyone vetting his tweets which is never a good thing when you are a leader of a nation such as the US.

There are times when the best things are left unsaid.

These two videos are worth viewing...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=273957870461345

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2644577045799102

thanks for posting those videos.

 

[Mr Brown]

She did not defend Hitler. That is a lie from Ted LieU taken out of context. Here is her response it starts at 5:35. The corrupt dem's tried to cut her off several times.

She said "You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine." on the British TV show Turning Point UK. Those words came out of her mouth, and that is a defense of arguably the shittiest human being who ever walked the earth. No spin, no clarification, her words.
Also her words " ...I don't remember any racial issues when I was growing up..." yet she sued her school district (with the help of the NAACP) for racial bullying. Can't have it both ways.....

 

[Mr Brown]

She seems to say it like she believes...whether it is shared by anyone else is not the issue as I see it, she is educated and well spoken...good for her I say.

Except for the fact that she can't decide what she believes....

 

[Mr Brown]

If all you want to establish is that killing is wrong, the video we have seen so far is sufficient. How wrong was it is what I want to know.


Here's what Quora says about murder charges.
"First degree murder is an unlawful killing with some amount of premeditation and planning, whereas second degree murder is an unlawful killing without that level of premeditated planning or reflection. There is no third degree murder."

According to that, murder 1 is less egregious than murder 2.

There is also manslaughter which is unintentional and not premeditated murder. That is less egregious than murder one.

I would think all three of the factors you mentioned might play into the exact charge in any given case. I have no doubt any or all of those would play into the verdict and the sentence.




In the backs of our minds, we're all wondering if hearing all the evidence and having a trial might get the cops acquitted even though we know they did it. Look at OJ and I intend no reference to his race whatsoever, it's just a well known case. That case ended up ruining his life but he was acquitted on both murder accounts. I don't think too many people beleive OJ was innocent. We don't want to see that happen in this murder case or any murder case but it can happen.

It would be much easier to just lock them all up without a trial. We don't do that here. If we did that would be getting into a whole bunch of other civil rights violations.

Not all killing is wrong, I'm not making that argument, I don't believe it to be true. This killing is wrong without question. Premeditated? Highly unlikely. But with great power comes great responsibility. Was Floyd a perfect poster child as some would have us believe? Not at all. But nobody deserves to die in that manner.
Nowhere did I suggest that there shouldn't be a trial, not sure where that idea came from. In fact, chauvin will indeed be provided the benefit of the system which he personally denied to Floyd. You keep saying that you want more evidence, that what you've seen is insufficient, like you're waiting for mitigating factors. An innocent man died at the hands of the police, no mitigation necessary. Minnesota doesn't have the death penalty, so even if convicted, the only practical difference in degree is length of possible sentence.

 

[Mr Brown]

And white folks were mad as hell oj got acquitted.....

 

[08BusaKY]

She said "You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine." on the British TV show Turning Point UK. Those words came out of her mouth, and that is a defense of arguably the shittiest human being who ever walked the earth. No spin, no clarification, her words.
Also her words " ...I don't remember any racial issues when I was growing up..." yet she sued her school district (with the help of the NAACP) for racial bullying. Can't have it both ways.....

Owens said she didn't have "any problems at all with the word 'nationalism,'" a word she characterized as too often associated with Hitler. Whenever we say 'nationalism,' the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler. You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine.

She continued, "The problem is that he wanted — he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. That's not, to me, that's not nationalism. In thinking about how we could go bad down the line, I don't really have an issue with nationalism. I really don't. I think that it's OK. Owens said of Hitler. "He was a homicidal, psychotic maniac."

Plus you don't want to watch the Tucker clip. What about the black cop killed on FB Live? What is your opinion on that? Many cops were killed and wounded not to mention innocent people.
I agree what the police did to Floyd was murder but the response was no warranted. Now that all four cops were arrested why was there more riots yesterday and another cop show and more wounded. More looting?
Also the ones below.

 

[Bumblebee]

Except for the fact that she can't decide what she believes....

Now, this is the first ever time I have heard about her or seen anything she has made, but to the uninitiated such as myself, she sounds pretty sorted out...

Was any of her info factual?