From the farm to your fridge

Animals are going to die period. Animals eat animals.Everything out there for birds of prey to otters eat rabbits including me :laugh: umm umm. Fried rabbit in mushroom gravy is delicious. In the Bible we are told which animals to eat and which not to eat. Is the Bible wrong too? We are given dominion over animals and we should be faithfull stewards over all of the resources the good lord gave us. Animals have been raised or hunted for food since the beginning of time and always be.

I dont think the fact of eating animals is being argued here. I think its the statement that the animals when killed are treated badly when doing so.

If they are arguing against eating animals its just dumb and no better than a tire thread :whistle: I would like to see a vegetarian outlive me
 
This much I do know the Bible is a living document that I choose to live by (best as I can). But like I said before we should be faithfull stewards of the resources that the good lord gave us. The animals I kill I do so in an humane way. The animals I trap for other people I also kill in an humane way. The laws in this state are written in such a way that require me to bend them every once in a while.
 
I dont think the fact of eating animals is being argued here. I think its the statement that the animals when killed are treated badly when doing so.

If they are arguing against eating animals its just dumb and no better than a tire thread :whistle: I would like to see a vegetarian outlive me

Well, hopefully I'm not 'arguing' at all. As I stated early on, I simply wish to inform and clarify and present facts as straight forward as possible, the idea being that each can make their own choices in accordance with their beliefs.

That said, I do advocate not eating animals. If one chooses to eat animals, I advocate treating them well while they are alive and killing in such a manner that they do not suffer or feel pain.

I believe that most everyone has no desire to hurt or cause pain or suffering to animals. Therefore, I believe if everyone fully understands the factory farming industry completely they will, at the very least, take issue with what is being done to animals in the industry and at most they may consider giving up meat.

Make no mistake, the animal agriculture business works VERY hard to ensure that we, the public, remain unfinformed about how their industry treats live animals. They have big budget marketing that implies happy animals living natural lives that are happy to be nothing more than food, they spend lots of dollars in DC and have strong lobbying groups there, and they rarely, if ever, allow the public to view the processing of animals. Consider the great extent to which they work to hide their activities and the ask the question:

"Why is it such a priority to hide the details of their business?"

I submit that the simple answer is that what goes on in the industry is simply not compatible with the attitudes that most people have for animals. One may not care for animals, one may not wish to have pets, one may think animals are lesser creatures whose only purpose is to feed us as meat, but even so, most of us would not wish to inflict the pain and suffering that factory farming perpetuates on the animals in the system.
 
This much I do know the Bible is a living document that I choose to live by (best as I can). But like I said before we should be faithfull stewards of the resources that the good lord gave us. The animals I kill I do so in an humane way. The animals I trap for other people I also kill in an humane way. The laws in this state are written in such a way that require me to bend them every once in a while.

I do not mean to question the Bible, please take no offense. My point was only that the Bible is interpreted differently by virtually everyone, even members of the same church quite often.

I do stand by the fact that the "stewards" passage is interpreted in either direction as I stated before. This passage can be interpreted as being for or against the welfare of animals.

To my knowledge, the Bible presents nothing for or against the eating of animals or vegetarianism/veganism.
 
That said, I do advocate not eating animals. If one chooses to eat animals, I advocate treating them well while they are alive and killing in such a manner that they do not suffer or feel pain.

Well to be honest you can only limit how much pain they are in when you kill them. You cant take it all away because of production costs and tainting the meat. Its the way of life. If you think we were only meant to eat vegetables and plants, you are mistaken and there is no argument to that fact. Sorry

"Why is it such a priority to hide the details of their business?"

Because of people that get too sensitive about the subject such as yourself. Just sayin.

I submit that the simple answer is that what goes on in the industry is simply not compatible with the attitudes that most people have for animals. One may not care for animals, one may not wish to have pets, one may think animals are lesser creatures whose only purpose is to feed us as meat, but even so, most of us would not wish to inflict the pain and suffering that factory farming perpetuates on the animals in the system.

I dont think animals are lesser because i love my dogs as they were my family, I am sure the same relationship could be made with any animal. What the meat plants do, good or bad, is on their head and isnt on my conscience. When I buy meat at the store I dont know if it comes from a good or bad plant so doesn't bother me. I will continue to eat my meat and love it
 
It is strange how when CNN shows a story about how some slaughterhouse is scooping up animals with dozers and shoving them in it only lasts a day or so and then ssssssshhh it goes away.
Salmonella in a peanut butter factory and omg the whole world goes crazy.

Your right alot of time and effort goes into keeping things sterile and in styrofoam :)



Well, hopefully I'm not 'arguing' at all. As I stated early on, I simply wish to inform and clarify and present facts as straight forward as possible, the idea being that each can make their own choices in accordance with their beliefs.

That said, I do advocate not eating animals. If one chooses to eat animals, I advocate treating them well while they are alive and killing in such a manner that they do not suffer or feel pain.

I believe that most everyone has no desire to hurt or cause pain or suffering to animals. Therefore, I believe if everyone fully understands the factory farming industry completely they will, at the very least, take issue with what is being done to animals in the industry and at most they may consider giving up meat.

Make no mistake, the animal agriculture business works VERY hard to ensure that we, the public, remain unfinformed about how their industry treats live animals. They have big budget marketing that implies happy animals living natural lives that are happy to be nothing more than food, they spend lots of dollars in DC and have strong lobbying groups there, and they rarely, if ever, allow the public to view the processing of animals. Consider the great extent to which they work to hide their activities and the ask the question:

"Why is it such a priority to hide the details of their business?"

I submit that the simple answer is that what goes on in the industry is simply not compatible with the attitudes that most people have for animals. One may not care for animals, one may not wish to have pets, one may think animals are lesser creatures whose only purpose is to feed us as meat, but even so, most of us would not wish to inflict the pain and suffering that factory farming perpetuates on the animals in the system.
 
We are given dominion over animals to use for our needs not to abuse and yes the Bible does state which animals to eat and which ones not to eat. The Bible gives some direct dos and don'ts i.e. 10 commandments. The Bible also uses examples of some of the things we should do or not do. on a different subject there are 100000 different protiens some found in meat some found in plants. We are omnivores and need both. You choose plant protien I choose both. Our opinions are different and neither one of our minds will be changed. We must agree to disagree
 
Is the Bible wrong too? We are given dominion over animals and we should be faithfull stewards over all of the resources the good lord gave us. Animals have been raised or hunted for food since the beginning of time and always be.

The Bible also says nothing against vegetarianism or veganism and it does not require the consumption of meat. As far as I know, the Bible is neutral on the matter.

This may be subject to opinion, but I think the bible is very clear on the matter.

The origin of mankind, Adam and Eve, had no meat in their diet at all.

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food." Genesis 1:29

Fruit was the primary source of nutrition.

It was not until Noah's flood did God give specific permission for mankind to eat meat to begin with. Why? Because there were no vegetables or fruits to consume. According to the bible the entire planet basically drowned so the only resource available for food is meat.

Another example for what food we should eat was when Daniel did the ten day challenge

Daniel's Diet

The bible is very clear that we are supposed to have vegan diet. It is what our bodies were originally designed for. However meat was allowed due to Noahs flood
 
We are omnivores and need both. You choose plant protien I choose both. Our opinions are different and neither one of our minds will be changed. We must agree to disagree

We don't need both, we have the option of both. Vegans/vegetarian live 8-15 years longer than meat consumers
 
We don't need both, we have the option of both. Vegans/vegetarian live 8-15 years longer than meat consumers

That is not proven. Its only speculation. You cannot truthfully make a statistic like that. Every person is different, doesnt matter what they eat.

I hate some statistics because people take them so seriously

Agree to disagree at let it die
 
OK , Let me address ( get my A** in this topic ) I was vegan for 15 years . and started eating meat again. I moved into the woods and was building a house as I could earn it..I didnt have heat or food most of the winter . YEP me and my Doggies were hungry . SO I put a slug in Bambi .I felt like Rambo cooking meat over an open fire .. Been eating it ever since.. Now the BIBLE does say what to eat and what not to eat DITTO SCBQQSTN.. BUT Isay I say I say I know many many Vegans most that way their whole life and Most are always sick , unhealthy , skinny , etc etc etc , NOT that the diet of Vegan is wrong BUT they are sooooooo picky on what they eat they barely eat enough to live. They read how everything is so bad for them they barely eat anything OR they eat the junk sold from Wally World and think they're staying healthy WRONG WRONG IF you are going to be a Vegan you need ORGANIC food , and need to eat all day long , Notice all the vegan animals , what are they doing 90% of the time ? Grazing..Constantly grazing..To keep enough fuel in their system .. Most Vegans are soo Picky that they just stop eating or not eat enough to maintain a healthy life style.. To where the majority of population eat whatever is dropped in front of them and at least get enough nutrients to stay somewhat healthy... I know dozens of vegans that were that way all if not most of their lives , most died in their 70's and some in their 40's of CANCER... They were soo picky about what they ate they actually were unhealthy due to a lack of nutrients..
When I was a vegan I had a serious lower back problem ,I lived at the Chiro office.. I moved to the wood started eating what ever I could get and today My back is 100% , I'm 49 years young and squat well over 500lbs for reps.. I am never ever sick , I cant remember the last cold I had.. So again Its all about proper fuel . The proper fuel is veggies. TRUE!!! BUt who has time to grow and prepar food all day ? Plus being a vegan requires a lot more fuel. The cost is higher.Yet it is better . I would guess if I was some office manager or retired being a vegan would be great But try it while logging or building or construction and see how long the energy last. My diet as of now is about 25% meat ( no pork , no scavengers , ) But some chicken and moo moo..mostly farm raised . farm eggs ( home) .. I still eat lots of veggies ,usually I juice 2-4 lbs of carrots a day with organic apples, I use protein powder with fruit , almond milk & raw eggs . My blood test latey was perfect ..I use spirulina by the table spoons .. Its all about getting the best fuel for the buck $.. JMO
 
OK , Let me address ( get my A** in this topic ) I was vegan for 15 years . and started eating meat again. I moved into the woods and was building a house as I could earn it..I didnt have heat or food most of the winter . YEP me and my Doggies were hungry . SO I put a slug in Bambi .I felt like Rambo cooking meat over an open fire .. Been eating it ever since.. Now the BIBLE does say what to eat and what not to eat DITTO SCBQQSTN.. BUT Isay I say I say I know many many Vegans most that way their whole life and Most are always sick , unhealthy , skinny , etc etc etc , NOT that the diet of Vegan is wrong BUT they are sooooooo picky on what they eat they barely eat enough to live. They read how everything is so bad for them they barely eat anything OR they eat the junk sold from Wally World and think they're staying healthy WRONG WRONG IF you are going to be a Vegan you need ORGANIC food , and need to eat all day long , Notice all the vegan animals , what are they doing 90% of the time ? Grazing..Constantly grazing..To keep enough fuel in their system .. Most Vegans are soo Picky that they just stop eating or not eat enough to maintain a healthy life style.. To where the majority of population eat whatever is dropped in front of them and at least get enough nutrients to stay somewhat healthy... I know dozens of vegans that were that way all if not most of their lives , most died in their 70's and some in their 40's of CANCER... They were soo picky about what they ate they actually were unhealthy due to a lack of nutrients..
When I was a vegan I had a serious lower back problem ,I lived at the Chiro office.. I moved to the wood started eating what ever I could get and today My back is 100% , I'm 49 years young and squat well over 500lbs for reps.. I am never ever sick , I cant remember the last cold I had.. So again Its all about proper fuel . The proper fuel is veggies. TRUE!!! BUt who has time to grow and prepar food all day ? Plus being a vegan requires a lot more fuel. The cost is higher.Yet it is better . I would guess if I was some office manager or retired being a vegan would be great But try it while logging or building or construction and see how long the energy last. My diet as of now is about 25% meat ( no pork , no scavengers , ) But some chicken and moo moo..mostly farm raised . farm eggs ( home) .. I still eat lots of veggies ,usually I juice 2-4 lbs of carrots a day with organic apples, I use protein powder with fruit , almond milk & raw eggs . My blood test latey was perfect ..I use spirulina by the table spoons .. Its all about getting the best fuel for the buck $.. JMO

That's exactly right. The reason we see so many vegans unhealthy is because they really are extremely picky eaters. They don't get nearly enough calories or nutrients in their diets because they are so choosey. I am 6'9 240 lbs. You think I am choosey? heck no. If I was, I promise you I would not be 240 lbs. I would well under 200 lbs. I splurge on potatos, pasta, veggies, and fruits. And I feel like a million bucks because of it. I still have fish and turkey once in a while. It's all about eating the proper amount.

That is not proven. Its only speculation. You cannot truthfully make a statistic like that. Every person is different, doesnt matter what they eat.

I hate some statistics because people take them so seriously

Agree to disagree at let it die

There a TON of variable with life expectancy. Sex, race, smoker, drinker, active/inactive lifestyle. We all know this. However switching to a vegetarian diet reduces your risk of cancer, heart disease, actually reduces your risk from pretty much any kind of disease.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/jul/01/vegetarians-blood-cancer-diet-risk

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110413133026.htm

I agree that there are more scientific studies that need to be done, but it is a fact that vegetarian do live longer because of the significant reduction in health risks associated with eating meat
 
Well to be honest you can only limit how much pain they are in when you kill them. You cant take it all away because of production costs and tainting the meat. Its the way of life. If you think we were only meant to eat vegetables and plants, you are mistaken and there is no argument to that fact. Sorry


RE: Pain vs production costs. Exactly.
It is not the way of life to inflict torment and suffering on another animal of any kind, except in the case of humans. The animals suffer far worse, IMHO, in the life they are "given" by factory farming than in the pain inflicted during the killing. Both could be greatly reduced if a bit of profit was sacrificed. Instead, the almighty dollar is considered more valuable than compassion for life. Given the choice, would act with cruely for greater profit or would you choose compassion for less profit? I believe most would choose the later if faced with the choice directly.


RE: We are omnivores, no question. This allows us to eat plants or meat as needed. That accepted, our eating tools (teeth, hands, digestive system,etc.) are much more suited to plant foods. As an analogy, just because we CAN swim, doesn't mean that we're suited for it or even good at it. Here, now, in this day and age, we have no NEED to eat meat, it is purely a matter of choice. And, the fact of the matter in terms of health is that a meat heavy diet is actually not good for us in the long term while a mostly or completely plant based diet is.


Because of people that get too sensitive about the subject such as yourself. Just sayin.

lol That is, of course, subjective. If the general population is that sensitive, doesn't that imply that most folks would choose to do things differently if fully informed?



I dont think animals are lesser because i love my dogs as they were my family, I am sure the same relationship could be made with any animal. What the meat plants do, good or bad, is on their head and isnt on my conscience. When I buy meat at the store I dont know if it comes from a good or bad plant so doesn't bother me. I will continue to eat my meat and love it

It may be the industry that performs the abuses and cruelty, but they only do so b/c there is a dollar to be made/demand for their product. Therefore, each of us contributes simply by purchasing that product. Were there no demand, there would be no profit and therefore no industry or the associated cruelty that is perpetuated merely for profit. If one chooses to buy this product, one must accept that the funds support the cruel treatment of animals that the industry perpetuates.

BTW, virtually all animal products in standard stores are from factory farms. There are less than 10 major players in the industry. Small farms are the exception, not the rule as they once were (decades ago).

Oh, and similar practices occur with the animals that we consider pets, such as your dogs, in other countries. Here in the US, thankfully, we take a much more compassionate view towards them. Ironically, farm animals are specifically excluded from the protection of those laws, even thought these animals have the same capacity for life and experience pain and suffering just as our beloved pets.

Why would we have such compassion for one animal and yet have virtually no compassion for others?
 
We are given dominion over animals to use for our needs not to abuse and yes the Bible does state which animals to eat and which ones not to eat. The Bible gives some direct dos and don'ts i.e. 10 commandments. The Bible also uses examples of some of the things we should do or not do. on a different subject there are 100000 different protiens some found in meat some found in plants. We are omnivores and need both. You choose plant protien I choose both. Our opinions are different and neither one of our minds will be changed. We must agree to disagree

I have no problem disagreeing over opinion on clear facts. But I will work to ensure that opinions are based on facts and not assumptions.

Your interpretation of the dominion over animals/stewardship is the side of the coin the might support that idea that we are meant to USE animals. That is your opinion. But you must recognize that many see it the other way and take it to mean that we are to protect them. In EITHER case, there is nothing that indicates that it's acceptable to God that we treat them cruely at any time.

WRT the Bible telling us which animals to eat: Unless I mistaken, it doesn't tell us we HAVE to eat them, just that we can. If I'm mistake here, please post data to the contrary.

Also, I believe that if Jesus walked into a factory farm today, his reaction would be at least the same as in the "cleansing of the temple" parable. Jesus may have eaten meat, but I do not believe that he would condone or approve of in any way the flat out cruelty that is levied on factory farm animals from birth to passing. Again, if there is ANY evidence to the contrary, I would be very interested to see it.

WRT protein. Meat is undoubtedly a RICH source of protein. Eating meat is the easiest way to get massive amounts of protein in relatively small volumes of food. However, we absolutely do not NEED it. All the protein and amino's we need to be healthy can be found in a meatless diet. That is simply scientific fact and can be verified with any health professional and, of course, all over the internet. There are enough vegan and vegetarian top level athletes to more than support that conclusion.

I will say that meat provides more vitamin D than the typcial plant based diet. However, in the US, even meat eaters are often deficient in vitamin D. With proper sun exposure, our bodies produce their own vitamin D. The alternative is, of course, supplementation with through a multivitamin or specific D supplement. Once again, there is no NEED to eat meat and doing so will not provide enough D anyway.
 
Why would we have such compassion for one animal and yet have virtually no compassion for others?

Why do you continue to ask this question and refuse to accept the answers given?:banghead::banghead::banghead:

One more time:
Some people see animals as food and property that can make money. They don't care about the feeling of the animals. They only care about the value that animal has. That value can be taste, nutrition or money.

I think the only answer you will is accept is:

I will not eat animals and will fight to stop all forms of animal cruelty.

Sorry, you are not going to ever get that answer from some of us.
 
This may be subject to opinion, but I think the bible is very clear on the matter.

The origin of mankind, Adam and Eve, had no meat in their diet at all.

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food." Genesis 1:29

Fruit was the primary source of nutrition.

It was not until Noah's flood did God give specific permission for mankind to eat meat to begin with. Why? Because there were no vegetables or fruits to consume. According to the bible the entire planet basically drowned so the only resource available for food is meat.

Another example for what food we should eat was when Daniel did the ten day challenge

Daniel's Diet

The bible is very clear that we are supposed to have vegan diet. It is what our bodies were originally designed for. However meat was allowed due to Noahs flood

Fantastic references! :thumbsup:
 
That is not proven. Its only speculation. You cannot truthfully make a statistic like that. Every person is different, doesnt matter what they eat.

I hate some statistics because people take them so seriously

Agree to disagree at let it die

The science and the medical profession both agree that our meat intake is a major issue with our overall health, particularly in the long term. There are always variables and exceptions in all things, but there is consensus on the matter, regardless of how reliable any given statistic might be.
 
OK , Let me address ( get my A** in this topic ) I was vegan for 15 years . and started eating meat again. I moved into the woods and was building a house as I could earn it..I didnt have heat or food most of the winter . YEP me and my Doggies were hungry . SO I put a slug in Bambi .I felt like Rambo cooking meat over an open fire .. Been eating it ever since.. Now the BIBLE does say what to eat and what not to eat DITTO SCBQQSTN.. BUT Isay I say I say I know many many Vegans most that way their whole life and Most are always sick , unhealthy , skinny , etc etc etc , NOT that the diet of Vegan is wrong BUT they are sooooooo picky on what they eat they barely eat enough to live. They read how everything is so bad for them they barely eat anything OR they eat the junk sold from Wally World and think they're staying healthy WRONG WRONG IF you are going to be a Vegan you need ORGANIC food , and need to eat all day long , Notice all the vegan animals , what are they doing 90% of the time ? Grazing..Constantly grazing..To keep enough fuel in their system .. Most Vegans are soo Picky that they just stop eating or not eat enough to maintain a healthy life style.. To where the majority of population eat whatever is dropped in front of them and at least get enough nutrients to stay somewhat healthy... I know dozens of vegans that were that way all if not most of their lives , most died in their 70's and some in their 40's of CANCER... They were soo picky about what they ate they actually were unhealthy due to a lack of nutrients..
When I was a vegan I had a serious lower back problem ,I lived at the Chiro office.. I moved to the wood started eating what ever I could get and today My back is 100% , I'm 49 years young and squat well over 500lbs for reps.. I am never ever sick , I cant remember the last cold I had.. So again Its all about proper fuel . The proper fuel is veggies. TRUE!!! BUt who has time to grow and prepar food all day ? Plus being a vegan requires a lot more fuel. The cost is higher.Yet it is better . I would guess if I was some office manager or retired being a vegan would be great But try it while logging or building or construction and see how long the energy last. My diet as of now is about 25% meat ( no pork , no scavengers , ) But some chicken and moo moo..mostly farm raised . farm eggs ( home) .. I still eat lots of veggies ,usually I juice 2-4 lbs of carrots a day with organic apples, I use protein powder with fruit , almond milk & raw eggs . My blood test latey was perfect ..I use spirulina by the table spoons .. Its all about getting the best fuel for the buck $.. JMO

What a tremendous testament! :thumbsup: :bowdown:

I agree pretty much 100%. And, I must say, that it can be challenging to be vegan in market so based on animal products. However, it is doable and sustainable even now. If the vegan market were to grow to a significant share, vegan options would grow as well and be much more readily available, just like happens in any industry, including the meat industry.

I was just at the doc for my first physical in 2 years. At the time of the appointment I was vegetarian for about 10 months and vegan for about 3. All tests were excellent/no change with one exception: Vitamin D was mildly deficient. Solution: added a supplement and will get more sun (I typically avoid the sun like the plague, except for sports, so it's my own fault and not really related to my diet so much). On the other hand, by choloesterol, which has been 200 (borderline with unfavorable HDL/LDL ration) ever since it was first tested (20+ years ago) dropped 20 points to about 180!!! Folks said that it would drop, but I didn't believe it till the tests came back. Just another bonus. :)
 
Why do you continue to ask this question and refuse to accept the answers given?:banghead::banghead::banghead:

One more time:
Some people see animals as food and property that can make money. They don't care about the feeling of the animals. They only care about the value that animal has. That value can be taste, nutrition or money.

I think the only answer you will is accept is:

I will not eat animals and will fight to stop all forms of animal cruelty.

Sorry, you are not going to ever get that answer from some of us.

I am merely asking you the question, yet you answering for "some people". Is that your answer? If not, what is YOUR answer?

The reason that it is important for each of us to answer such questions is that until we do so, we do not truly take responsibility for our choices in the matter. I know I didn't. I had a whole rationale that made my choice to eat meat completely benign. I loved animals and would never hurt them and always helped them when I found any defenseless or hurt. In eating meat, I allowed myself to assume that the farm animals were treated well in every regard and were allowed to live a full and complete life and then, near the end of their natural life, they were peacefully put to sleep and then slaughtered, never experiencing any real pain or fear.

Obviously, I was a) 100% uninformed of what went on to provide meat b) in almost complete denial and c) like so many of us, intentionally avoided learning ANYTHING about the food industry once I suspected there was anything not OK going on.

Had I not become informed, and I did so with GREAT resistance, and asked myself these hard questions, I would have continued, in ignorance, to support something that is simply contrary to my beliefs and attitudes.

I'm not suggesting that anyone HAS to agree with me and I know that many folks will never allow themselves to be educated on the realities so that they can continue to make their choices without feeling conflicted. I know that some are even perfectly fine with the idea of animals suffering on an epic scale for the mere satisfaction of taste. However, I believe that most folks are NOT OK with animals being put through living hell in the name of meat. They might want meat and may never give it up, but I don't think they want animals to be tortured in any way.

So again, I ask the question to all, but specifically, to you.

"Why would we have such compassion for one animal and yet have virtually no compassion for others?"

What is YOUR answer?
 
I read the back and forth of this issue and yet haven't read any good ideas that would be cost effective to raise and kill these animals for food. Currency is the real culprit here. It's not just the companies trying to keep their profit margin up, it's also us the consumers. Virtually every aspect of life is pretty much based around the all mighty dollar(currency). Change that and there would be a ton of life changing things that would make this world a much better place. Sadly this is next to impossible though.


Vegetarians...
So the most common issues is lack of not eating enough of it? If we all ate this,how much more vegetables would we need to survive compared to what we consume as a whole now?

Or not eating the right stuff due to them being picky? That is pretty much human nature for us to eat foods we enjoy the taste of. Guess that is the reason why most of us have meat in our diet?
 
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