Dyna beads/ what do you guys think?

[RMS2005]

What kind day damage we talking? I have ran them for years in the bike with no issues and the company I work for also use them I. The steer tires on the big truck, only got about a half a million miles on mine and 31 other trucks in the fleet with no issues. Not calling u or him a liar but I would like to know what and how the damage was to.

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[Tufbusa]

Today I talked to a local motorcycle shop owner/mechanic he is also an all level instructor for a race academy. He told me to stay away from beads unless u have to. He said lots of Harley owners use the because of how many weights they would have to use to balance the tire(that is the short version).

He also went on to tell me he has seen the damage they can cause after time. The said they are cheaper to use, but if they were all they claim to be dont you think the dealers(Honda/Suzuki) and racers would use them? He suggest to stick with weights, and leave the beads for the slow bikes. At 150+ do you want to take a chance?

I think I will stick with what the pros use.... Weights...
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1ibandit

What kind day damage we talking? I have ran them for years in the bike with no issues and the company I work for also use them I. The steer tires on the big truck, only got about a half a million miles on mine and 31 other trucks in the fleet with no issues. Not calling u or him a liar but I would like to know what and how the damage was to.

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I think what bandit is referring to is motorcyle wheels/tires and you are using trucks as an example. BIG DIFFERENCE! Aluminum wheels with light weight tires combined with high speeds,,,,,,,,,,,, I can see where it may be a problem over time?

I know nothing about bead balancing but it just don't sound good to me. I think I too will stick with what the pros use, wheel weights. Beads may very well do a great job balancing a tire but I don't see any real advantages over wheel weights.

[AJAY]

I think what bandit is referring to is motorcyle wheels/tires and you are using trucks as an example. BIG DIFFERENCE! Aluminum wheels with light weight tires combined with high speeds,,,,,,,,,,,, I can see where it may be a problem over time?

I know nothing about bead balancing but it just don't sound good to me. I think I too will stick with what the pros use, wheel weights. Beads may very well do a great job balancing a tire but I don't see any real advantages over wheel weights.

I think the racer "pros" don't use them because they change tires so quickly and so often that the "mess" of the Dyna Beads is more trouble than solution. In contrast, for a street application, some of us go a few years without changing tires and any problems with properly cleaning the rim are a non-issue. I think they're a great idea and have a pack of Dyna Beads waiting for when I change my tires (some nice Bridgestone BT-023s that Tufbusa steered me onto ).

[Tufbusa]

I think the racer "pros" don't use them because they change tires so quickly and so often that the "mess" of the Dyna Beads is more trouble than solution. In contrast, for a street application, some of us go a few years without changing tires and any problems with properly cleaning the rim are a non-issue. I think they're a great idea and have a pack of Dyna Beads waiting for when I change my tires (some nice Bridgestone BT-023s that Tufbusa steered me onto ).

I'm thinking that's probably not the reason the big boys don't use Dyna Beads but since I don't know for sure I will certainly give you the benifit of the doubt!

I don't think you will be disappointed with the BT023's. I would like to hear what you think of the 23's after you've been on them for a while?

I assume you didn't do the BT016 up front?

[Blanca BusaLess]

I'm interested in them for the simple fact that they are a 'constant balancing' system.
Wheel weights can only balance the tire when they are applied usually when new. But 2,000 miles down the road and the tire has lost rubber which results in a tire which can't possibly be as balanced as it was? The beads will constantly keep the tire balanced right down to the last mile. I cannot verify this but it is one reason I've looked at them before.

[Big Bo]

I was told Suzuki makes cheep motorcycles. Buy a HD.

[Amode]

My my about a year ago nobody wanted to even here about dyna beads now, there are quite a few that like them. I have painted wheels the paint over laps on the inside of the wheel. The beads do no damage to the paint. Mabey this will be true to the dyno tunes also.

[1ibandit]

What kind day damage we talking? I have ran them for years in the bike with no issues and the company I work for also use them I. The steer tires on the big truck, only got about a half a million miles on mine and 31 other trucks in the fleet with no issues. Not calling u or him a liar but I would like to know what and how the damage was to.

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Damage he told me about was damage to the tire not the rim. The beads r like water in a centrifugal they move to the out side because of the force but on them. The faster the Spin the more outward force and more ware on the tire(my thinking not bruce's).

The trucks are like harleys they do 65 to 70 on average, so you can not compare them to a bike that can do over 180. I can not say beads are bad, but when the pro's start using them on the track or the drag strip. Then I will jump on the bandwagon!

Someone also said about the pro's having to change out tires. Well from the little I know they have wheels balanced and lined up ready to go so if they wanted to use beads there is nothing stopping them.....

By the way thanks for the reply.... The more info we have the less chance we have of making a mistake.

1ibandit

[Bruce Bell]

I'm more confused then before I asked the question. ???

[CWCobra]

I will throw a twist on beads and weights. I use the nomar tire changer and don't I repeat don't ever balance my wheels. 10000 on fronts and 5-6000 on rears all the time. Must get good tires Never notice any vibes low or high speed. Illinois has alot of 180 mph roads. Lucky I guess. 1 rear only got 2600 miles damn throttle

Don't balance mine either...never noticed a wobble; wear patterns always good.

CW

[MelodicMetalGod]

I'm more confused then before I asked the question. ???

It would be nice to have a definitive answer. Maybe 'beads vs weights' is the new 'dino vs synthetic'.

[spotrot]

RE: "just the very fact that they're still in business would seem to indicate that the product is what it claims to be.

Do we really need a list of products that have no proof they work but the marketing (and hope) keeps them selling? Magnets on wrists. 90% of oil additives. ??% of oriental supplements.

RE: the physics of the solution make PERFECT sense in terms of centripetal/centrifugal force.

I've designed automotive products for 30 years, and was awake during physics and engineering classes, but do not see any logical conclusion based on the known laws of physics about balancing beads or powders or rings.

RE: the fact that virtually rider that has ever used them and posted has had nothing negative to say and usually lots of positive"

I must be counting differently. On the forums (RV and others) I see about 30% saying they saw no benefit and maybe 70% saying they spent their money wisely. Not much different than the Brown gas following.

But I'd love to see independent test results that they work.

That said, I'm not smart enough yet to use the quote feature.

[MelodicMetalGod]

RE: "just the very fact that they're still in business would seem to indicate that the product is what it claims to be.

Do we really need a list of products that have no proof they work but the marketing (and hope) keeps them selling? Magnets on wrists. 90% of oil additives. ??% of oriental supplements.

RE: the physics of the solution make PERFECT sense in terms of centripetal/centrifugal force.

I've designed automotive products for 30 years, and was awake during physics and engineering classes, but do not see any logical conclusion based on the known laws of physics about balancing beads or powders or rings.

RE: the fact that virtually rider that has ever used them and posted has had nothing negative to say and usually lots of positive"

I must be counting differently. On the forums (RV and others) I see about 30% saying they saw no benefit and maybe 70% saying they spent their money wisely. Not much different than the Brown gas following.

But I'd love to see independent test results that they work.

That said, I'm not smart enough yet to use the quote feature.

I agree that there is nothing particularly scientific on the matter and that your assessment of 30/70 regarding anecdotal commentary is probably about right (but I've seen nothing negative reported) and I would love to see some real science and testing as well. On the other hand, I've never seen any science or testing for wheel weight applications either, and we all seem to agree that that stuff is valid.

I'm hardly a scientist or an engineer, but my limited understanding of how the beads work adds up for me. Maybe I'm just "special".



PS: What is the brown gas thing? Will it save the planet?