Debate night!!!

[Bumblebee]

Oh come on!!!

Everything will be OK, I will keep reminding you as the years pass by, that you are a pessimist.

Hopefully you will live and learn.

I am a realist.......

I can be an optimist but conditions have to be right for that.

[Red05]

Nonsense... Jelly been a couple moves ahead before you even realized what he said.

Maybe from where you’re reading lol

[Bumblebee]

It seems you forgot what happened here in 2020 as cities burned, policeman died and civilians died. Not to mention all the small business people put out of business... or the Police having their 3rd precinct headquarters in Minneapolis destroyed with the Floyd death These acts were performed by the "Left's team of of Destroyers" that go by the names Antifa and BLM. These people will mobilize again and burn, loot and destroy everything they can just like they did in the wake of the George Floyd disaster. This is the lefts answer to everything they don't like... burn it, and destroy anybody that gets in the way... add in some more statues being torn down and you have the complete playbook wide open of Cloward and Piven tactics and Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky... One of Hillary's favorite books.

I don't think Biden is going to run... regardless if the Left wins with a new candidate the outrage will be real but the actions that express that outrage will be largely missing. As far as anybody crying foul after the election goes down, if we even have an election, then it's back to politics as usual again.

Let's see if the left can swing 6 or more states in the middle of the night like what happened last time.

These protests were spurned by an activity not politically driven but more emotionally driven...Events such as Rodney King, George Floyd and others prompt these sorts of responses....

A loss of an election prompted the insurrection on Jan 6th where the then sitting president was really hoping was successful.

When Americans lose faith in their elections.....where does that leave the country?

[Red05]

When Americans lose faith in their elections.....where does that leave the country?

Honestly I don’t think the American public, most of them, have lost faith. It’s a partisan thing; part of the argument that I think most conservatives don’t really believe but feel compelled to support.

[jellyrug]

Maybe from where you’re reading lol

Sorry to do this again, but when the "old guy" says during Trump we lost 65 in Afghanistan, and Biden we lost 13, then one explains the logic is wrong and he still does not get it, it is not illusion, realism, optimism, pessimism or whatever else. It is plain freekin stupid. My 6 year old granddaughter gets it.

This compares to saying Mark only crashed once, while Rossi crashed 16 times. Then when it is explained that Mark only did one lap, while Rossi did 100 laps, he still does not understand it.

This post probably confuses him even further.

[Zerks]

These protests were spurned by an activity not politically driven but more emotionally driven...Events such as Rodney King, George Floyd and others prompt these sorts of responses....

A loss of an election prompted the insurrection on Jan 6th where the then sitting president was really hoping was successful.

When Americans lose faith in their elections.....where does that leave the country?

That response doesn't address what happened in Portland, Spokane, Chicago and other cities like Kenosha where Kyle Rittenhouse defended himself with a gun while a gun was already drawn on him. Only a few people were held responsible for the destruction in 2020. The rest of them had no cash bail so being in jail was only a matter of hours before they could get back out there and start wrecking the place agian.

I wonder whose idea was it that thought a "no cash bail" plan was a good way to keep the civil unrest under control ?

[Bumblebee]

That response doesn't address what happened in Portland, Spokane, Chicago and other cities like Kenosha where Kyle Rittenhouse defended himself with a gun while a gun was already drawn on him. Only a few people were held responsible for the destruction in 2020. The rest of them had no cash bail so being in jail was only a matter of hours before they could get back out there and start wrecking the place agian.

I wonder whose idea was it that thought a "no cash bail" plan was a good way to keep the civil unrest under control ?

In all these cases, a protest was turned into a riot.......sadly the protest was racially driven...

I'm 100% certain there weren't only politically left aligned people in these riots, once some sort of action starts, all kinds of people dog-pile on.

These riots were not focused on disrupting a legal election so that a person could remain in power. The only person that could have prevented this was watching from the safety of the White House most likely hoping they'd be successful.

I'm not sure why they used the no cash bail system.

[OldBusaGuy]

From what I am seeing and hearing, the US will be in serious trouble at the next election regardless of who wins....

If Trump wins, he will go on a revenge mission and decimate everyone who gave him the slightest issue...there has been speculation that he will try to alter the constitution to allow him to remain as president but that's not realistic.

If Biden wins two things could happen, Trump will jump up on his podium and declare the win a steal and rile up his rabid followers once again
Biden could decide to hand his presidency over to Kamala once he gets in

This is about the first post that you've made that makes sense to me. Thanks for that.

On the subject of our withdrawal from Afghanistan, an old saying comes to mind. "One death is a tragedy. A thousand deaths is a statistic". We lost thousands of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan but all the right could talk about was Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. It's almost like the troops that were lost due to us being lied into war in Iraq didn't matter. They died for a valiant cause. Anyone that questioned why they died were unamerican.

And a few comments on other posts without quoting them all:

Jill Biden is an evil bitch? Does that make Melania a queen? Some kind of super first lady? I know of some that consider her hot and that's all that matters to them. They are so shallow that looks mean more than being a good person. I had a conversation with one of my conservative friends about Sarah Palin many years ago and all he could come up with was "But she's hot".

As to the "checkmated" comment, that is one person's very biased opinion.

Time for me to go for a nice walk and enjoy some nature. Have a nice day guys and maybe even get your two wheelers out. My Busa isn't running yet so the Harley will be my ride later today, even if it will be mid 80's out.

[OldBusaGuy]

It seems you forgot what happened here in 2020 as cities burned, policeman died and civilians died. Not to mention all the small business people put out of business... or the Police having their 3rd precinct headquarters in Minneapolis destroyed with the Floyd death These acts were performed by the "Left's team of of Destroyers" that go by the names Antifa and BLM. These people will mobilize again and burn, loot and destroy everything they can just like they did in the wake of the George Floyd disaster. This is the lefts answer to everything they don't like... burn it, and destroy anybody that gets in the way... add in some more statues being torn down and you have the complete playbook wide open of Cloward and Piven tactics and Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky... One of Hillary's favorite books.

I don't think Biden is going to run... regardless if the Left wins with a new candidate the outrage will be real but the actions that express that outrage will be largely missing. As far as anybody crying foul after the election goes down, if we even have an election, then it's back to politics as usual again.

Let's see if the left can swing 6 or more states in the middle of the night like what happened last time.

Please show us some pictures of cities that burned. Some buildings burned in cities but there were no cities burned. That is hype from the idiots on the right. I seriously doubt that any city had even .001% of the buildings burned, but to hear the morons like you, one could think that the entire cities were burned to the ground. How would you respond if your family was systematically being killed one after another by the people that are supposed to protect them? I totally don't blame the BLM people for saying enough is enough and lashing out. I'm actually surprised that it didn't get worse than it did.

As to votes being counted in the middle of the night, maybe you didn't realize it, but absentee ballots from regular citizens as well as overseas military routinely get counted after election day. Just because the whiny orange bitch throws a tantrum doesn't mean anything.

If trump was a Nascar driver and took the lead in a race, he would call it a win and tell everyone that the race was over when he took the lead. Never mind that the race was only five laps in.

I'm not Biden's most huge fan, but I totally don't want to see trump anywhere near the white house again. Our choices this election appear to be between two old men, one that is not mentally sharp and another that is a proven pathological liar and serial cheater. I'll take the first choice.

And as to January 6th looking like no big deal compared to what would happen if trump loses this election, I say bring it. Most of the gun toting red hat crowd is over 60 years old and morbidly obese. They can barely get out of their power recliner let alone cause a lot of trouble for the country.

[OldBusaGuy]

Sorry to do this again, but when the "old guy" says during Trump we lost 65 in Afghanistan, and Biden we lost 13, then one explains the logic is wrong and he still does not get it, it is not illusion, realism, optimism, pessimism or whatever else. It is plain freekin stupid. My 6 year old granddaughter gets it.

This compares to saying Mark only crashed once, while Rossi crashed 16 times. Then when it is explained that Mark only did one lap, while Rossi did 100 laps, he still does not understand it.

This post probably confuses him even further.

I was trying to use simple logic so that the simpleton red hat crowd could understand it. It looks like it didn't work with you. I'll try to be even more simplistic next time.

[jellyrug]

Jelly is an illusionist

Illusion is expecting results with a President, his wife and his crackhead son managing the leading country of the free world.

Realism is knowing how to manage a team towards achieving a common vision, each team member with objectives, through a process of planning, organizing, leading and controlling. The way a President should be managing his cabinet.

Sadly, anyone who supports the Democrats at this time, has never managed people before, has no leadership skills and if they are expecting results towards the good of the country, they are illusionists. Add the fact that common sense is a rare commodity, something they have not been blessed with.

Sadly Trump is not the best at managing a team either, but at least he tells his team what to do, and kicks their butt if they don’t. Trump is not good at team building, as he is an autocrat, but anything is better than what we have right now.

Someone who refuses to vote, is also an illusionist. It means sitting on the fence, doing nothing and hoping for the best.

[Red05]

Sorry to do this again, but when the "old guy" says during Trump we lost 65 in Afghanistan, and Biden we lost 13, then one explains the logic is wrong and he still does not get it, it is not illusion, realism, optimism, pessimism or whatever else. It is plain freekin stupid. My 6 year old granddaughter gets it.

This compares to saying Mark only crashed once, while Rossi crashed 16 times. Then when it is explained that Mark only did one lap, while Rossi did 100 laps, he still does not understand it.

This post probably confuses him even further.

It's not about 13 vs 65. Yes, periods of time are different, and amazingly, doing the math it comes out pretty close, but that's not the point and you're both losing sight of that because it's not a direct reflection of the president's decisions.
Your debate with OldBusaGuy is about who is worse for this country, Trump or Biden, sad as that is, but I haven't seen a checkmate yet.

Illusion is expecting results with a President, his wife and his crackhead son managing the leading country of the free world.

Electing a convicted felon that thinks like a dictator into the Oval Office, and being fine with it, is that not illusion?

[jellyrug]

I was trying to use simple logic so that the simpleton red hat crowd could understand it. It looks like it didn't work with you. I'll try to be even more simplistic next time.

If one deals with a fool, sometimes the only way to get through is to exaggerate things somewhat.

Your simple logic says the guy who drove one mile and had only one accident, is better than the other guy who had two accidents. The fact that the other guy had his two accidents over 100,000 miles does not count.

At this stage, I really don’t think you have any idea what I am even talking about.

As I said before, I don’t handle stupid very well and I don’t suffer fools.

[Red05]

Your simple logic says the guy who drove one mile and had only one accident, is better than the other guy who had two accidents. The fact that the other guy had his two accidents over 100,000 miles does not count.

At this stage, I really don’t think you have any idea what I am even talking about.

Can't wrap our feeble minds around the 5th grade math? How about taking a step back and seeing that is not the defining point in the conversation?
I don't like sayings but talk about not seeing the forest for the trees...

[jellyrug]

Electing a convicted felon that thinks like a dictator into the Oval Office, and being fine with it, is that not illusion?

It’s kind of letting your car run down the road with no one behind the wheel, rather than having a moron in the seat.

I would rather take the second option.

Illusion is labeling Trump a felon at this stage, as fairly we have to wait for the entire legal process to run its course. We also have to ask why 1,000’s of business owners get tax penalties rather than felonies when they incorrectly book business expenses?

Illusion is labeling Trump a dictator, rather than an Autocrat. A dictator won’t survive the three branches of government due to our constitution. Neither would an autocrat be able to change our constitution towards becoming a dictator.

[Red05]

.Illusion is labeling Trump a felon at this stage, as fairly we have to wait for the entire legal process to run its course. We also have to ask why 1,000’s of business owners get tax penalties rather than felonies when they incorrectly book business expenses?

Illusion is labeling Trump a dictator, rather than an Autocrat. A dictator won’t survive the three branches of government due to our constitution. Neither would an autocrat be able to change our constitution towards becoming a dictator.

Neither is illusion and I said he thinks like a dictator, to be clear. As a conservative and Biden hater, you’ve convinced yourself, as looking around, you see no other options.
You’re not alone.

[michael parris heuberger]

Please show us some pictures of cities that burned. Some buildings burned in cities but there were no cities burned. That is hype from the idiots on the right. I seriously doubt that any city had even .001% of the buildings burned, but to hear the morons like you, one could think that the entire cities were burned to the ground. How would you respond if your family was systematically being killed one after another by the people that are supposed to protect them? I totally don't blame the BLM people for saying enough is enough and lashing out. I'm actually surprised that it didn't get worse than it did.

As to votes being counted in the middle of the night, maybe you didn't realize it, but absentee ballots from regular citizens as well as overseas military routinely get counted after election day. Just because the whiny orange bitch throws a tantrum doesn't mean anything.

If trump was a Nascar driver and took the lead in a race, he would call it a win and tell everyone that the race was over when he took the lead. Never mind that the race was only five laps in.

I'm not Biden's most huge fan, but I totally don't want to see trump anywhere near the white house again. Our choices this election appear to be between two old men, one that is not mentally sharp and another that is a proven pathological liar and serial cheater. I'll take the first choice.

And as to January 6th looking like no big deal compared to what would happen if trump loses this election, I say bring it. Most of the gun toting red hat crowd is over 60 years old and morbidly obese. They can barely get out of their power recliner let alone cause a lot of trouble for the country.

Hi. I am an old guy with a gun and a busa that (I am building to be the fastest street drivan bike in the world) and I can get out of my of my recliner with only a little trubble. Seeing I do not have a recliner. I have a range in my back yard and I shoot all most every week. I am 5ft 7in weigt 154lbs trying to get down to 135lbs 4 toure Nam vet.

[jellyrug]

Your debate with OldBusaGuy is about who is worse for this country.

Sorry red, I’m not trying to debate this guy. I’m just responding to the stupid sh!t he writes.

Unlike with you, there is no value in trying to have an intellectual debate with him.

It is interesting to see the major and conflicting differences between opinions of Democrats and Republicans.

Democrats who don’t like Trump won’t vote for him. They would prefer a commander and chief who has shown the world his mental ability has been compromised by age. They are OK with a puppet for show purposes only, over someone they dislike. They dislike Trump because he calls a spade a spade, because he is not Presidential. They don’t care about the country and the fact that the world laughs at us. They just hate Trump, nothing else matters.,

I don’t have to vote for someone I like, just trying to do what I think is best. One has to look at both parties as a whole, rather than just one person.

[Red05]

Hi. I am an old guy with a gun and a busa that (I am building to be the fastest street drivan bike in the world) and I can get out of my of my recliner with only a little trubble. Seeing I do not have a recliner. I have a range in my back yard and I shoot all most every week. I am 5ft 7in weigt 154lbs trying to get down to 135lbs 4 toure Nam vet.

This is turning into a hootenanny.
Does anybody here trim their underarm hair?
I can almost braid mine.

[jellyrug]

Hi. I am an old guy with a gun and a busa that (I am building to be the fastest street drivan bike in the world) and I can get out of my of my recliner with only a little trubble. Seeing I do not have a recliner. I have a range in my back yard and I shoot all most every week. I am 5ft 7in weigt 154lbs trying to get down to 135lbs 4 toure Nam vet.

Rather keep that weight on. Those 50 calibers kick like a mule.