Debate night!!!

[Bumblebee]

The multiple club beating on Rodney King was a travesty all of its own making by the out of control cops that did it. The Floyd situation was much different... the only striking going on was Floyd kicking an officer when they tried to get him under control while attempting to put him in the back seat of the police car. All Floyd had to do was sit in the back seat in handcuffs and all of this would not have happened;

It amazes me that people can defend the behavior of a druggie under the influence of a drug and resisting arrest all at the same time. He is lucky he didn't get tazed. He likely would have died if had been tazed. According to the toxicology report he was high at the time he died.

As far as illegal immgration goes we only have estimates. How do we count all the got aways? We also have planes from overseas landing in Mexico across the border from San Deigo and somehow they find a way into a sanctuary state like it is here in California.

Add to that... we have Gavin Newsom, our governor that approves of illegal immigration!

Death by cop is death by cop, the mechanism isn't the issue....

Police all across America arrest violent criminals all the time without killing them, Floyd didn't need to die.....what amazes me is people would defend the behavior of the police officer when a hand-cuffed suspect dies in his custody.

I would think that many Chinese nationals would be noticed by someone....especially if they are all of military service age....maybe they just didn't want to serve in the Chinese military.....take a look at WW2 and the number of Japanese-Americans who joined the US military in WW2 even though they and their families were in intern camps.....

[Red05]

Stop the nonsense and propaganda... the rapes, the murders, the rampant fentanyl distribution... I guess you missed it.

I missed it? You inferred that Trump fixed the immigration problem. He didn’t.
Rapes, murders, fentanyl? Changing the subject? So soon? Or implying that immigrants are the main reason?
Doesn’t matter, I consider the source, didn’t miss a thing.

[jellyrug]

I missed it? You inferred that Trump fixed the immigration problem. He didn’t.
Rapes, murders, fentanyl? Changing the subject? So soon? Or implying that immigrants are the main reason?
Doesn’t matter, I consider the source, didn’t miss a thing.

You can look at this from any angle, the Biden Administration totally lost control.

Scroll down to the graphs in the attached links. If you look at the second graph, Obama did pretty good, but pretty much the same as Trump.

No one even got nearly close to how Biden screwed this up. His first day in office, I needed no news reports, his immigration stance shocked me. It was basically a matter of stopping any and all of Trump's efforts on the very first day.

What can the data tell us about unauthorized immigration to the US?

The US has reported nearly 10 million unauthorized border encounters between October 2019 and January 2024.

usafacts.org

[Zerks]

I missed it? You inferred that Trump fixed the immigration problem. He didn’t.
Rapes, murders, fentanyl? Changing the subject? So soon? Or implying that immigrants are the main reason?
Doesn’t matter, I consider the source, didn’t miss a thing.

The border doesn't ( 2200 miles of southern border ) doesn't get fixed in a day. The wall would have made managing the border a much easier job because it would have created choke points. Plenty of new choke points would have sprung up, but... they would be discover quickly compared to wide open desert where people take the easiest path to cross the border illegally. the real subject is the destruction of America.

Gavin Newsom signed a bill now that says illegals with no record of criminal behavior can now become cops. Oh boy.... at some point when someone calls the cops... who do you really think is showing up to answer the call?

[CBXRider]

Illegal aliens have fought in our wars wearing US uniforms for years. And some of them were deported after their term of service. How’s that for gratitude?

[Zerks]

All George Floyd needed to do is not be killed by a negligent cop. The LA riots started in a similar fashion...all Rodney King needed to do was not be killed by cops either......

As bad as the riots are, they were not a deliberate and calculated attack on the very fabric of the United States election system like Jan 6th was.....and the guy who was supposed to be for all the people of the United States stood back and watched.

I'd say North Korea would have it's hands full with South Korea, they are armed for bear and well trained.

As for the military aged Chinese citizens roaming the US...what are these sources? If they can figure this out, wouldn't the US government agencies also be able to figure it out as well and act on this?

Rodney King didn't die ( thankfully) he ended up with 2.2 million that didn't last long.

The source is a military Vet that survived both attacks on the World Trade Centers and has held positions of great trust but not in politics.

You can hear it on the Americastandup.us.org. channel. I wasn't taking notes so the name escapes me

[Zerks]

Illegal aliens have fought in our wars wearing US uniforms for years. And some of them were deported after their term of service. How’s that for gratitude?

We always have exceptions to what we believe is the status quo. Things are changing fast.

We haven't won a war since WW2.

[Zerks]

A little brevity...

[CBXRider]

We always have exceptions to what we believe is the status quo. Things are changing fast.

We haven't won a war since WW2.

We haven’t lost one either

[Red05]

the real subject is the destruction of America.

I agree, but not that illegal immigrants are the main problem. It needs addressed yes.
I think the real threat is the giant partisan division in this country with the BS hate the other side mentality.

[Zerks]

We haven’t lost one either

What would you call Vietnam?

[Zerks]

I agree, but not that illegal immigrants are the main problem. It needs addressed yes.
I think the real threat is the giant partisan division in this country with the BS hate the other side mentality.

What would you call 50,000 to 70,000 Chinese men of military age that are estimated to already be here?

What did Obama mean when he said "Change is Coming to America"? It wasn't more political division, was it?

Was is really a slip of the tongue when the real president identified the old vice president as the current vice president?

The quick wit of Obama was employed immediately to resurrect the obvious miscommunication to the rest of us.

[CBXRider]

What would you call Vietnam?

We left, we abandoned the south Vietnamese people but we didn’t lose. The south Vietnamese leader got to own a liquor store in Los Angeles. Others, those that stayed behind, weren’t so lucky.

[Zerks]

We left, we abandoned the south Vietnamese people but we didn’t lose. The south Vietnamese leader got to own a liquor store in Los Angeles. Others, those that stayed behind, weren’t so lucky.

Over 58,000 lost their lives and about 200,000 were injured. I don't know what we as a country gained from that most sacrificial war. I wouldn't call owning a liquor store a big win when he had to give up the high position and residency in a country that was that persons life of personal experiences, friends, and family for decades. I would assume there is more to the story of Vietnam than meets the eye. I am glad I didn't have to go because North Vietnam was never a threat to this countries existence.

[Bumblebee]

What would you call Vietnam?

The premise behind Vietnam was the same as Korea.....an oppressive communist state was threatening South Vietnam who wished to remain democratic......they asked the US for assistance.

Before the US, the French were in there but got their asses handed to them at Dien Bien Phu so withdrew their forces leaving South Vietnam in peril of being overrun...

The US went in there but had so many stipulations placed on them, they could never win. North Vietnamese forces were decimated so the Chinese bolstered their ranks and provided training and equipment along with the Russians....

We roll around to today and are kissing Chinese ass which is astounding considering what they did to us in Korea and Vietnam.....western countries should have placed huge sanctions on China instead of feeding their economy which allowed them to build their military into a global threat.

[jellyrug]

If the Republicans want this bill and the Democrats refuse it, tell me, who are honest about ensuring fair elections and who are not?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1809374976845156801

[jellyrug]

Really????

Schiff says Biden has to ‘win overwhelmingly’ or pass the torch, adds VP Harris could win against Trump

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., argued Vice President Kamala Harris could win “overwhelmingly” against Donald Trump but said it’s up to President Joe Biden to decide the fate of his campaign amid calls to drop out after his poor debate performance.

www.nbcnews.com

[Red05]

What would you call 50,000 to 70,000 Chinese men of military age that are estimated to already be here?

A proportional immigrant number

What did Obama mean when he said "Change is Coming to America"? It wasn't more political division, was it?

Obama inherited a terrible financial mess from Bush Jr. Thankfully, during his administration, the country recovered. I call that good change.

Was is really a slip of the tongue when the real president identified the old vice president as the current vice president?

Yes it was

[Bumblebee]

Here's something that would keep some people up at night....

[Zerks]

The premise behind Vietnam was the same as Korea.....an oppressive communist state was threatening South Vietnam who wished to remain democratic......they asked the US for assistance.

Before the US, the French were in there but got their asses handed to them at Dien Bien Phu so withdrew their forces leaving South Vietnam in peril of being overrun...

The US went in there but had so many stipulations placed on them, they could never win. North Vietnamese forces were decimated so the Chinese bolstered their ranks and provided training and equipment along with the Russians....

We roll around to today and are kissing Chinese ass which is astounding considering what they did to us in Korea and Vietnam.....western countries should have placed huge sanctions on China instead of feeding their economy which allowed them to build their military into a global threat.

History has recorded and revealed a much different story line for the impetus of the Vietnam war. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was claimed to be a factual event.

This link was at the bottom of the page of a long list of related articles. It's only 3 pages and it sheds both light and doubt on the real reasons we got into military action in Vietnam.

1. https://archive.org › download › GulfOfTonkin1 › Newly_Declassified_National_Security_Agency_History_Questions_Ea.pdf
   

   Newly Declassified National Security Agency History Questions Early ...​

   truth about the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The National Security Agency is to be commended for releasing this piece of the puzzle. The parallels between the faulty intelligence on Tonkin Gulf and the manipulated intelligence used to justify the Iraq War make it all the more worthwhile to re-examine the events of August 1964 in light of new ...

In your last statement we can see what the long term effects were when Nixon embraced China into trade agreements that like you said have created a toxic relationship, to which I must add.... with world wide negative effects. I would understand why those prisoners over there being used as parts warehouse's for organ transplants consider China the most evil country on the face of the earth.