Brake line upgrade HEL

[Diggi]

Hello everyone!!
I have a 2018 Busa. I’ve been thinking to upgrade the brake lines and the pads for a while now. I bought the bike in August 2019 but I’ve found the brakes could have a bit more bite to them. Brake pads are fine though.
I rode a Tiger 1200 and the same brembo monoblocks on the bike were too good. Every time I applied the brakes I was about to fall over. Not the same on the busa though!!
So here are my questions
1. Do all of you feel the same? That the Factory brakes on busa aren’t good enough? Or it’s a one off prob??
2. My Suzuki dealer says he can put HEL brakelines. Want some reviews from you guys about HEL. I’m fairly new to the scene. Checked out around the net, although there are other brands as well. But being in India

[BlueBacon]

I agree that the brakes are horrible in both generations, but no clue about HEL.
I did the same as most others on here...SS brake lines, HH brake pads, and different rotors (Galfer Waves).

[CBXRider]

Haven’t ridden a Gen 2 but I don’t think the Busa’s brakes are bad and certainly not horrible, just not as good as SS lines and HH pads can make them. After a lot of miles I switched to Arashi rotors. My Ducati had Brembos and they were wooden, almost no modulation. The Brembos on my car work perfectly though. Haven’t heard of HEL. Good luck!

[Mythos]

1. Do all of you feel the same? That the Factory brakes on busa aren’t good enough? Or it’s a one off prob??
2. My Suzuki dealer says he can put HEL brakelines. Want some reviews from you guys about HEL. I’m fairly new to the scene. Checked out around the net, although there are other brands as well. But being in India

1. Busas have very progressive brakes. You'll have to pull it to the grip to lock the front. Some have brembos and those are probably a lot better.

2. I put kevlar lines on my ZX-14 bike and braided SS lines on the busa. Neither one made a bit of difference for braking. They say you might tell a difference if you use the brakes aggressively on a track or if the OEM lines are old.

[HayaWakened]

[Bumblebee]

Upgrading your maser cylinder is a good way to go as well-gets you more pressure on the braking system which equates to less fade and more feed back.

Factory rubber lines flex and expand which is why many factories have gone to a more solid brake line and away from rubber.

My front brakes are stellar with zero fade and excellent lever feel.

[bigdr]

HEL are fine , very popular in Europe , I have them , no problems .

[macka]

braking performance is directly related to the pads and the discs combining together to make the bike stop under extreme circumstances.
First Major performance loss or gains from pads/discs
Second master cylinder ( actually just a high pressure pump) the rubber seals does not like air or mixing wrong types of oil
Third brake hoses
if you have issues with the your brakes you wont see any difference in replacing your brakelines you are just working backwards

[Bumblebee]

braking performance is directly related to the pads and the discs combining together to make the bike stop under extreme circumstances.
First Major performance loss or gains from pads/discs
Second master cylinder ( actually just a high pressure pump) the rubber seals does not like air or mixing wrong types of oil
Third brake hoses
if you have issues with the your brakes you wont see any difference in replacing your brakelines you are just working backwards

I see this is your first post, welcome!

if you have a moment, perhaps introduce yourself in the "New Owner's Forum' section and tell us about you and your bike....

[CBXRider]

...”1. Busas have very progressive brakes. You'll have to pull it to the grip to lock the front. Some have brembos and those are probably a lot better.”

My ‘pull’ is about an inch and a half for a stoppie. And that was before (and) after I changed rotors. I’ve always had Galfer braided SS lines and HH pads.

[Diggi]

I agree that the brakes are horrible in both generations, but no clue about HEL.
I did the same as most others on here...SS brake lines, HH brake pads, and different rotors (Galfer Waves).

Thx Blue....HEL are an Australian brand I think...more popular in Asia and Europe.

[Diggi]

braking performance is directly related to the pads and the discs combining together to make the bike stop under extreme circumstances.
First Major performance loss or gains from pads/discs
Second master cylinder ( actually just a high pressure pump) the rubber seals does not like air or mixing wrong types of oil
Third brake hoses
if you have issues with the your brakes you wont see any difference in replacing your brakelines you are just working backwards

Thx macka... its quite educational.. didnt think of it in this way!!

[Notenoughtoys]

HEL makes nice lines ! I order some from England and they were excellent quality.

[TurboBusa0704]

HEL are good brake lines, make sure you get two individual lines going to each caliper in front instead of the traditional one into two and make sure they're braided instead of rubber. Also, the biggest difference would come from Brembo RCS master cylinder, that's where the magic happens. Also to consider, if the Ducati you rode had brembo master cylinder? And also tiger 1200 sits a lot higher than the busa and hence higher suspension travel so you'll feel like its hitting brakes harder but its not the case, illusion with longer suspension travel. Plus the busa is somewhat 50lbs heavier so will stop considerably slower comparatively.
Good luck.